[Discussion] Bitcoin Pizza Day on Bitcointalk 🍕

[Lillominato89]

We all should be more understanding, especially towards the hard work of others.
Icopress has many commitments and it will certainly be difficult to follow everything perfectly, Giving advice to optimize his time I think will be appreciated by him

I didn't see all this understanding but maybe I'm the one who doesn't see well, and it's ok given that I'm a person who doesn't even understand sarcasm, as LoyceV could see (I define myself as Sheldon Cooper with respect to sarcasm)
Back on topic, there are some solutions that we could put in place, or rather that icopress could put in place to avoid hassles, if you have ideas.
I started mine, let the thread be free but use the forum date to determine who posted in time.
So he doesn't have to stay awake to close the thread

The idea is great, use a single time for everyone, the problem will be one, everyone must leave the server time as default, those who have perhaps changed it for their own reasons will find themselves with a different time. This is to be taken into consideration. But if specified in the rules no one will ever be able to object, because the error will no longer be icopress's but of those who did not take into consideration server time

[Lida93]

In order to avoid any possible problem about this, and associated drama, shenanigan, and conspiracy theories, I would request icopress to clearly state the deadine to submit the vote in forum time before the thread get locked.

if people post 1 second late their vote is invalid, FORUM TIME, so you avoid hassle my friend

The rules for the pizza voting timeframe eligibility though not specific but it's clear just by going through the op statements.

Throughout June, public voting will be open, and any active user can participate ...

which obviously it should be expected that any vote after 11:59pm, 30th June, 2025 should be considered invalid. Fair enough to make the OP's work very simple.

[icopress]

Friends, votes for pizza #114 will have a weight of 0.5 when counting (only those that include merits).

There are a few other types of abuse but more on that later... 

[5tift]

Friends, votes for pizza #114 will have a weight of 0.5 when counting (only those that include merits).

There are a few other types of abuse but more on that later... 

Wow a spontaneous new rule just for me, thanks a lot ico.
I have a better suggestion, you can rate 114 with 0 points as I am no longer interested in the contest.

[PowerGlove]

I have a better suggestion, you can rate 114 with 0 points as I am no longer interested in the contest.

Don't be like that, dude. It's all good...

Probably you only meant to say "Thanks" to the people that voted for you, but, try to see things from a zoomed-out point of view. Imagine if every participant (in this competition and others) got into the habit of sending merit as a "Thanks" to the people that voted for them. I mean, that would get out of hand pretty quickly, no? People that really struggle to rank-up by making high-quality contributions would make sure to vote in every competition that they could find...

Also, it's kind of unsportsmanlike, isn't it? I would never want to win anything by encouraging people to vote for me. I'd want to win "clean" (even if all my competitors were trying everything that they could think of to tip the scales in their favor).

(Having said all that, one thing where I myself am pretty unsportsmanlike, at least according to others, is with deathmatch first-person shooters: I basically stopped playing them because everyone else thinks it's bullshit that I sometimes "camp" and feel comfortable staying out of view for long periods of time. Most people can't have fun like that, and resent the fact that I can outwait them, and I've myself gotten into heated arguments about how it's not against the rules, but, yeah... I don't like irritating people, even when I think that I'm in the right, so I changed my playstyle, and still lit them up nine ways to Sunday, haha, but, I really, really don't enjoy being in overly-prescriptive environments, so, I just stopped playing, except occasionally with close friends.)

[Becassine]

Hello,

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ? 

Thank you for the answer, sorry if you find me a little egocentric 

[hosemary]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ?  

There is no rule about voting for your own pizza in the OP, but the same question as yours was asked in the past year and according to icopress' reply (which I quoted below), it was allowed.

So, are we voting for our own pizza?

This is allowed, but if I were you I wouldn't do it.  

It's probably still allowed to vote for your own pizza but like icopress, I wouldn't do that.

[Becassine]

Mysterious answer, but I will follow your advice 

[LoyceV]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ? 

Isn't that something every politician does in every election? I wouldn't do it.

[Rikafip]

Wow a spontaneous new rule just for me, thanks a lot ico.
I have a better suggestion, you can rate 114 with 0 points as I am no longer interested in the contest.

As Powerglove said, you maybe had honest intentions and you sending merit was merely "thank you", but there were situation in the past where this lead to abuse and accounts were coming out of the woodwork to vote for those who were meriting, causing unecessary drama.

Having said that, even if its pretty much common sense not to merit those who vote for you (and it was mentioned that contestants are not allowed to agigate in any way) it should have been explicitly mentioned, like it was for the bitcointalk community awards.

[Becassine]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ? 

Isn't that something every politician does in every election? I wouldn't do it.

It's true that I thought about it too, but I'm not going to do it (even if I'm quite happy with the culinary result)

[babo]

Hello,

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ? 

Thank you for the answer, sorry if you find me a little egocentric 

I think you can vote for your pizza, it is not expressly forbidden for me to remember by heart
however the question is
would it be ethically correct to vote for your pizza?
obviously you would do it to have some advantage over others who do it
so if everyone automatically voted for their own pizza we would return to a situation of equilibrium

so, it's useless

[Tonimez]

Unfortunately I don't see any rules of giving merit in voting thread, unlike in voting community awards. It's fine for users to give merit for their effort to create their own pizzas, but this one doesn't looks okay.

It's not okay to Merit votes, they're not "good posts" no matter who they vote for. There's a reason the pizzas don't have a name attached to them in the voting topic, and Meriting users who vote for you is at the very least unethical.

I'm glad that this issue has resurfaced in this general thread because most of us who participated in the contest who may have had better pizzas, but because no one goes to the pizzas anymore, they only observe where you can get a reward and vote him. I believe the moderators will look into it and also set the rules straight during next year competition.

[dkbit98]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ? 

I would not do that, but there are no usernames written under each pizza images so...
Maybe it's not a bad idea to think about making small change of rules for the next year competition.

Isn't that something every politician does in every election? I wouldn't do it.

Only difference that voting is done in private way behind the curtain, while in Bitcointalk Pizza Day you have to vote publicly

[pawel7777]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ? 

This should not only be allowed but strongly encouraged, despite looking not very honourable at first glance.
If all participants were to cast a vote on their own pizza, that would even things out and would effectively have no impact.

But if voting on their own pizza is disallowed or frowned upon, then it discourages participants from voting at all (i.e. on other pizzas) as that would be acting against their interest.

Maybe for the next edition, we could have a rule that you can vote on your own pizza, but only if you also cast votes on other ones.

[JayJuanGee]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ? 

This should not only be allowed but strongly encouraged, despite looking not very honourable at first glance.
If all participants were to cast a vote on their own pizza, that would even things out and would effectively have no impact.

But if voting on their own pizza is disallowed or frowned upon, then it discourages participants from voting at all (i.e. on other pizzas) as that would be acting against their interest.

Maybe for the next edition, we could have a rule that you can vote on your own pizza, but only if you also cast votes on other ones.

I have not voted yet.. and I know it is getting closer and closer and closer to the wire... .. and so I don't mind whether I vote or not.. even though sometimes there can be a bit of a process to either to add or to eliminate and to narrow down the contenders, since a pizza could be great on one set of grounds and then not as great on another set of grounds.. but then at the same time, there could be questions regarding which grounds are more important or might there be a draw, since virtually there surely can be limitations or even questions about if the process of making the pizza was described well enough or if the member really put some effort into the process or was any aspect of the description or the photos lending inferences that the member was not really putting in the work of making the pizza or do the photos do the pizza and the process justice.

I also don't mind if I vote for my own pizza or not. I likely am not going to vote for my own pizza.. but I am not against the idea of any member choosing to vote for his own pizza, whether he likes the other pizzas or not.. or if he truly believes his pizza is the best or at least amongst the top 5 pizzas..

I suppose one of the issues of having the vote public, which is both good and bad, and has already been mentioned that the fact that others can see how we vote could end up affecting how we vote.. which surely is not a bad thing, even though it could change some dynamics in how members choose to vote...but icopress's method of attempting to detach the names from the pizza does make it a bit more difficult to trace down who submitted each pizza submission.. which likely does allow more focus on voting for the pizza based on the one picture that was used as the sample of the pizza contender.. even though surely there were some members who presented a variety of photos and even described their pizza-making process in interesting and/or detailed ways that might attract or detract from their getting a vote, so I am a bit ambivalent about how much value comes from detaching from being able to look up the process that any contender might have had described or if they just submitted one or two photos that might even bring questions to how much they participated int he process of showing their pizza.. .. and some members might not even give any shits about if any of the contenders described or showed evidence of their pizza-making process..

Let's say that as a voter, I purposefully decided to do my initial screening of the pizzas based on the one picture that is used to show their submission, so I error on the side of being inclusive, and so I screen out (or screen down) the number of pizzas from 144 to 20 or some reasonable number merely based on the one picture. 

Then after I reduced the contenders down to 20 potential finalists, then maybe I would want to look each one of them up to see more details about how the pizzas were submitted and described in terms of the process.... and yeah, maybe I would allow the members user-name and status in the forum affect my decision-making process.  The various kinds of additional factors beyond the mere one photo could end up helping me to further reduce my number of conders down to 10 or maybe even fewer contenders.. and then maybe once I get down to some reasonable number of contenders, then maybe I would then pick 5 of them randomly from the group of finalists that i had chosen...

Of course, even the process that I describe is somewhat objective, even though surely the user name is considered to be mostly irrelevant, but once the voter is able to link back to the original post, then he has the potential bias of the user's name.   And sure, maybe there is some value in objectivity for this particular contest.. Perhaps? perhaps? 

Part of the reason for votes is to attempt to allow a bit of subjectivity, but then subjectivity that is on a broader level rather than having a committee of pizza judging experts.. and sure there are some folks who may well be good judges of the pizza making and pizza presenting process.. .. or maybe the goals are not subjectivity exactly but a kind of hope for the wisdom of the crowds?. .. but yeah, A popularity contest for people (members) or for the looks of pizzas?.. and why can't we sample each of the pizzas?  huh? Why? I heard that pizzas are infinitely divisible... just like bitcoin... maybe one of these years one of the members will figure out a way to allow us to virtually sample his pizza...

Is that better than trying to bribe us with a hidden seed phrase, that wasn't very hidden, except for the fact that the member couldn't figure out how to properly show his images.. and surely that is almost creative enough to deserve votes.. even though surely I had not voted yet.. and part of the problem of submitting a pizza could cause the impression that the member is agitating for his pizza or against other pizzas.. hahahahaha.. part of the reason that I discontinued having a paid signature relates to accusations that I used to receive about my supposedly giving any shits about the signature that I had at the bottom of my forum posts. and surely after wearing the signature for a while, I can see how sometimes the bias might be considered to be an arguable factor..

[joker_josue]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ?  

This should not only be allowed but strongly encouraged, despite looking not very honourable at first glance.
If all participants were to cast a vote on their own pizza, that would even things out and would effectively have no impact.

But if voting on their own pizza is disallowed or frowned upon, then it discourages participants from voting at all (i.e. on other pizzas) as that would be acting against their interest.

Maybe for the next edition, we could have a rule that you can vote on your own pizza, but only if you also cast votes on other ones.

But what's wrong with voting for your own pizza? I don't see anything wrong with that, nor do I see how it could influence the final vote. I'm comfortable saying that, because I didn't make any pizza.

A quick analysis, there are 144 pizzas (users), each user must vote on 5 pizzas. Even if the pizza creator votes on your pizza, he will still select 4 more different pizzas. Voting for your pizza won't make things that different in the final result.

Furthermore, theoretically no one knows whose pizzas they are (I said theoretically). So, if a user votes for 5 pizzas, I can't tell if he voted for yours or not (theoretically speaking).

In short, I don't see a problem with everyone voting for their own pizza.

[LoyceV]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ?  

This should not only be allowed but strongly encouraged, despite looking not very honourable at first glance.
If all participants were to cast a vote on their own pizza, that would even things out and would effectively have no impact.

Except for the participants who aren't voting at all.... There is no perfect solution.

But if voting on their own pizza is disallowed or frowned upon, then it discourages participants from voting at all (i.e. on other pizzas) as that would be acting against their interest.

Voting could be a requirement to be eligible to win, but that would just mean someone could vote for pizzas that don't get much votes so they don't work against their interest. Again: there is no perfect solution.

In short, I don't see a problem with everyone voting for their own pizza.

One could argue it's because of the taste, and no other pizza could be tasted Which brings me to the next shower thought: what if everyone were to freeze their pizza, and ship it frozen to a pizza escrow. The escrow chops all pizzas into 200 parts, and anyone who wants to vote can order 200 144 frozen and numbered pizza particles for a taste test. The winner of the pizza tasting gets to sell pizzas for Bitcoin

[nutildah]

Which brings me to the next shower thought: what if everyone were to freeze their pizza, and ship it frozen to a pizza escrow. The escrow chops all pizzas into 200 parts, and anyone who wants to vote can order 200 144 frozen and numbered pizza particles for a taste test. The winner of the pizza tasting gets to sell pizzas for Bitcoin

What if the pizza escrow scams everyone? Lol

Honestly most of the pizzas look pretty bad. No offense. But I can kind of imagine how they'd taste already and, nah I'm good. Pizza Escrow only needs to send me about 15 pieces. Of course dividing a pizza into 200 parts means you might get a sliver of crust or something, which might not be very representative of the pizza's overall taste. Please tell the Pizza Escrow that I want middle pieces only.

[JayJuanGee]

I was wondering if I could vote for my pizza ?  

This should not only be allowed but strongly encouraged, despite looking not very honourable at first glance.
If all participants were to cast a vote on their own pizza, that would even things out and would effectively have no impact.
But if voting on their own pizza is disallowed or frowned upon, then it discourages participants from voting at all (i.e. on other pizzas) as that would be acting against their interest.

Maybe for the next edition, we could have a rule that you can vote on your own pizza, but only if you also cast votes on other ones.

But what's wrong with voting for your own pizza? I don't see anything wrong with that, nor do I see how it could influence the final vote. I'm comfortable saying that, because I didn't make any pizza.
A quick analysis, there are 144 pizzas (users), each user must vote on 5 pizzas. Even if the pizza creator votes on your pizza, he will still select 4 more different pizzas. Voting for your pizza won't make things that different in the final result.

Furthermore, theoretically no one knows whose pizzas they are (I said theoretically). So, if a user votes for 5 pizzas, I can't tell if he voted for yours or not (theoretically speaking).
In short, I don't see a problem with everyone voting for their own pizza.

With my own assessment of voting dynamics (possible voting strategies), I was still o.k. with a contest participating member to vote for his own pizza while I was personally presuming that a member could vote for his own pizza and not vote for any other pizza.  Accordingly, at this time a person could give all his voting weight to his own pizza and sacrifice his other 4 possible votes by voting only for his own pizza since there is no need for any voter to have to execute all 5 of his votes.

Personally, I don't have any problem with that.. .whether the votes were to be done publicly (which currently they are) or if they were to be done privately (which currently they are not).

Honestly most of the pizzas look pretty bad. No offense. But I can kind of imagine how they'd taste already and, nah I'm good.

I think this point somewhat relates to my earlier point about some of the relevance of the description of the ingredients and the process, even though surely there has not been any requirements that any of the participants give up their exact ingredients and/or secrets of the proportions... or the exact processes that might cause certain ingredients to take on a certain kind of flavor and/or texture. 

Participants have been electing how much of their process and/or ingredients that they would like to describe, perhaps for the purpose of sharing the ability for others to replicate their results or perhaps for the purpose of garnering votes by appealing to some of the open source inclinations that might exist within the pizza thread readership and/or eligible voters.