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June 08, 2024, 10:54:16 AM
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It all comes back to a person's capacity to use gambling, we often find someone when gambling focuses only on winnings and some are just for fun, of course the bad impact is someone who hopes for a big win when gambling, but the reality is just the opposite which has a bad impact.  for that person, it all depends on how they consume it in their daily life, because that can also be a measure of a player's badness.
So what this means is that it all depends on the perspective and mindset of the gambler himself, how they approach gambling, whether it's to chase victory or to have fun, but the question is, is gambling bad? Do you think it depends on people's mindset? Of course, every society has different views about gambling, but the majority of people view gambling as a bad thing, even though from the gambler's point of view, they play responsibly or have fun because what society knows is that it is only a bad thing, and for me not everything about gambling is considered bad.

Even small children are not allowed to be exposed to gambling, even until they are teenagers, so it is a natural right that society views gambling as bad, even though it is actually not that bad if the users are responsible and don't play excessively, only people who are addicted to gambling are considered bad, not all people who gamble are bad, they only play to entertain themselves, we don't know what it's like to be tired of making money all day and need entertainment to relieve fatigue.
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June 08, 2024, 11:11:13 AM
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So what I'm trying to conclude is that gambling isn't something you should take as a hobby or as a means of earning just to make a living. So what are your thoughts?
I can agree with your take on this subject of gambling being bad to the society, but upon careful consideration, gambling has been a source of income for a country like Brazil of which collects some amount of tax from winnings of gamblers. It was about 15% as at the last time I learnt of this, and surely it has helped their countries GDP in so many ways, including discouraging gamblers from gambling excessively.

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June 08, 2024, 11:19:57 AM
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So what I'm trying to conclude is that gambling isn't something you should take as a hobby or as a means of earning just to make a living. So what are your thoughts?
I can agree with your take on this subject of gambling being bad to the society, but upon careful consideration, gambling has been a source of income for a country like Brazil of which collects some amount of tax from winnings of gamblers. It was about 15% as at the last time I learnt of this, and surely it has helped their countries GDP in so many ways, including discouraging gamblers from gambling excessively.
Hmm, that's something new, it never crossed my mind to even reason to the direction you are heading because the only view at which most persons look at gambling is based on the aspect of two effects which are either gambling causes addiction or it could be enjoyed as a form of entertaining where by the first is the most viral view in which gambling is seen. But looking at what you said, I think I will check out myself and be certain of this opinion.

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June 08, 2024, 11:23:58 AM
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I can agree with your take on this subject of gambling being bad to the society, but upon careful consideration, gambling has been a source of income for a country like Brazil of which collects some amount of tax from winnings of gamblers. It was about 15% as at the last time I learnt of this, and surely it has helped their countries GDP in so many ways, including discouraging gamblers from gambling excessively.

From the macroeconomics point of view, gambling is good for the country administration because of the tax collecting you mention. Though, you should also keep in mind that the good which can be done from the profits of casinos depends on the goodwill of those in power. If the administration of the taxes is transparent, then in the end, part of the money being moved by gamblers and casinos will be used to pay for social services, healthcare, for the salaries of those who keep the streets clean and collect the garbage. Otherwise, if the administration of the country is corrupt and being led by kleptomaniacs, the taxation upon casinos and gamblers who hit jackpots will only be part of the tainted fortunes of those in power and do not care about the country or the people in it.

Gambling can be good in a societal level, if both gamblers and government are responsible, in the end, a casino is just like any ither business which is obliged to pay their taxes.

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June 08, 2024, 11:45:01 AM
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Risking or losing important relationships, a job, or school or work opportunities because of gambling. Asking others to bail you out of financial trouble cause you have gambled money away.
these are the scenario most addicted gambler is facing butthat will  never happen to you if you are a
self controlled gambler in which very few managed to keep for themselves while in gambling.


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So what I'm trying to conclude is that gambling isn't something you should take as a hobby or as a means of earning just to make a living. So what are your thoughts?
not because we should not treat gambling as a means of earning is
that we should add this to a bad in society because there are many gamblers
than knows how to limit themselves so that is far from being bad to the community right?

but you know in some society those people who progress more in business are strong gamblers, so gambling is also helping in other hands. Just as you said their are some gamblers who knows how to limit themselves whenever they notice they're going too far, but their ones that doesn't care if they are doing the wrong thing. What they just want it's for them to get what they want and they won't even care if they're causing more trouble to society. And this are the set that makes people take gambling as something that isn't important to the society. So gambling helps and it's important also.

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June 08, 2024, 12:00:02 PM
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Risking or losing important relationships, a job, or school or work opportunities because of gambling. Asking others to bail you out of financial trouble cause you have gambled money away.
these are the scenario most addicted gambler is facing butthat will  never happen to you if you are a
self controlled gambler in which very few managed to keep for themselves while in gambling.


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So what I'm trying to conclude is that gambling isn't something you should take as a hobby or as a means of earning just to make a living. So what are your thoughts?
not because we should not treat gambling as a means of earning is
that we should add this to a bad in society because there are many gamblers
than knows how to limit themselves so that is far from being bad to the community right?

but you know in some society those people who progress more in business are strong gamblers, so gambling is also helping in other hands. Just as you said their are some gamblers who knows how to limit themselves whenever they notice they're going too far, but their ones that doesn't care if they are doing the wrong thing. What they just want it's for them to get what they want and they won't even care if they're causing more trouble to society. And this are the set that makes people take gambling as something that isn't important to the society. So gambling helps and it's important also.

We are all used to perceiving gambling as something uniquely bad and random in terms of winning.
But personally, I think that one of the sections of gambling: poker is quite a good area of gambling, in which you can earn income stably and without dependence, while remaining in full self-control without dependence.
The most important thing there is logic, and even though the success factor in poker sometimes plays a decisive role, but the skills of a poker player are also very important there.

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June 08, 2024, 12:31:16 PM
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Gambling can be good in a societal level, if both gamblers and government are responsible, in the end, a casino is just like any ither business which is obliged to pay their taxes.
Every society definitely has a different view on this matter but most of them consider gambling to be something bad in their eyes, so it also depends on how the perpetrator is as a gambler whether he plays responsibly or not, I as a responsible gambler will not I once thought gambling was bad because for me it was a game that was fun for me, except for gamblers who chase money, of course it would definitely look bad in the eyes of other people because he spent his time continuing to gamble and couldn't relax.

A true gambler is a gambler who can relax and be responsible, at least he knows when to gamble and knows when to stop gambling, gambling can indeed produce something good for society, namely taxes that are collected by the government and managed for the public to enjoy. Again, but whether gambling is bad or not depends on society's perspective on it. The point is, don't just look at it from your point of view, but try to see the good, don't just see the bad. not all gambling is bad either

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June 08, 2024, 12:41:19 PM
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So what I'm trying to conclude is that gambling isn't something you should take as a hobby or as a means of earning just to make a living. So what are your thoughts?
I can agree with your take on this subject of gambling being bad to the society, but upon careful consideration, gambling has been a source of income for a country like Brazil of which collects some amount of tax from winnings of gamblers. It was about 15% as at the last time I learnt of this, and surely it has helped their countries GDP in so many ways, including discouraging gamblers from gambling excessively.
Hey, really appreciate your information on Brazil collecting tax from winning gamblers to the ton of 15 percent, this should be the first time I am coming across this information and I needless say that it's actually a very good way for the country to generate money for their development.

But however, I am curious to know why you think this or such move can stop people from gambling excessively? I want to know if there is some kind of limit to gambling that is associated to every gambler in the country to limit how frequently they gamble, because without some thing like this, I do not think or see how charging gambling winners 15 percent of their win as tax will stop those who already have a natural desire for excessive or combursive gambling from exercising it, or what do you think?

Anyways, I thinks will be a good new topic for discussion on this board.

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June 08, 2024, 12:43:57 PM
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Society needs gambling as additional way to have fun. Society must change attitude to gambling from negative (stop reading and producing info how people only lose) to neutral (a way to have fun, but not a primary one).
I believe so but what we have seen is that it was not for making them fun or for their pastime, it has now become one of their necessities which has become a reason for their financial problem due to heavy addiction. In fact, in our place, many of them are in debt because of this and they are working hard, have some money, and gamble which is supposed for their basic needs. It is not helping anymore but it causes additional problems. They are not too young not to know how it ruins their life and needs education, they are supposed to realize it before the worst thing happens.
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A true gambler is a gambler who can relax and be responsible, at least he knows when to gamble and knows when to stop gambling, gambling can indeed produce something good for society...

Funny you mention that a true gambler is someone who wager money responsibly and knows when to stop and all at, because I have seen people on the internet who has a very different definition of what a gambler is. There are people who believe being a true gambler (so-called), completely depends on the amount of wager one could have in a period of time, which is an incorrect interpretation to me (perhaps you have a different opinion or perception of what a true gambler is).
Would you say someone who wagers 10$ a week is a true gambler? or would it take that person to wager up to 1000$ in a week before in your eyes that person is considered to be a true gambler by you?
To me, anyone who gambles in a consistent way (regardless of the volume of the wager) is a gambler, one could put 1$ per month at stake during a period of a year, and to me that person would be a gambler.

As a side not, of course, I agree there are ways casinos and betting houses can contribute to society, it is something which is well documented on the law of many countries.

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June 08, 2024, 06:00:03 PM
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but you know in some society those people who progress more in business are strong gamblers, so gambling is also helping in other hands. Just as you said their are some gamblers who knows how to limit themselves whenever they notice they're going too far, but their ones that doesn't care if they are doing the wrong thing. What they just want it's for them to get what they want and they won't even care if they're causing more trouble to society. And this are the set that makes people take gambling as something that isn't important to the society. So gambling helps and it's important also.
In fact, gambling is not that bad if every gambler can gamble appropriately within the limits set not to gamble excessively, because many people think gambling is bad, in my opinion this is because there have been many cases of bad impacts that have occurred, but This is also based on their own gambling that exceeds the limits so that they experience many bad impacts, one of which is their own finances, where their money could just be used up just for gambling. Apart from that, with someone who is addicted to gambling, of course there is a possibility that they could harm other people or society, like in my country there is a young person who is addicted to gambling, but because of his gambling addiction, he is almost judged because he has tried to steal a motorbike and is looking for further information. Indeed, he did it to be able to gamble again by stealing a motorbike and selling it.
It is very rare for people to accept gambling activities in their environment, but this may depend on the country that legalizes gambling or makes gambling illegal. Moreover, gambling can indeed change a person for the worse because its strong temptation and attraction can turn a person into a worse person.

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June 09, 2024, 09:24:39 PM
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It is still the same thing of saying that they are mainly after winning, because we know that gambling should be done do fun so that we don't overdo it and also be able to use an amount of money that will not make us chase or losses. If you don't win, you will not recover your loss. So winning is the primary agenda that leads to loss chasing. If you are a responsible gambler, you will consider losing too as part of the game, and that will make you to be careful in order you not gamble with big amount of money, so that if you loss your bet, you don't chase your losses.

with those who experience big losses or lose a lot of money because they gamble with the aim of winning. because by aiming for victory, it tends to make them unable to invest money in gambling when the gambling they do ends up losing, so that their goal actually causes them to experience undesirable things. Apart from that, in my opinion, gambling is not completely bad, because this is a game that pays with rewards. If you are lucky, you can get it, but most people do this, they don't think about the risks, so they only think about winning what they will get, even though it's not certain. happen.

What you say is correct, winning is the main agenda which ends in chasing defeat, there is even a famous figure in my country who said "even if they win, it is the beginning of defeat" and I think that is true. The large number of people who have a bad view of gambling is due to the fault of the gamblers themselves who gamble excessively so that they often experience many problems and bad impacts. They should be able to consider the action they are going to take before regretting it in the end.

I think that the casino is always an Opportunity to show ourselves what we are capable of doing and achieving, sometimes we see that things can be very Difficult and can generate a lot of frustration if we determine that many things can be guaranteed, our Security is an Invaluable value that we should not lose even if we lose at the casino, we should always have willpower and action, in any case we will feel that it can take away our confidence because if we play and or win then it is already an Imminent Failure , but if we see it from another point of view things can Change and be better if we manage to handle it to have fun and Occasionally make a profit, it does not Matter if Society does not like it, it is not being harmed, there is no need to complicate things.

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June 10, 2024, 08:36:02 AM
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with those who experience big losses or lose a lot of money because they gamble with the aim of winning. because by aiming for victory, it tends to make them unable to invest money in gambling when the gambling they do ends up losing, so that their goal actually causes them to experience undesirable things. Apart from that, in my opinion, gambling is not completely bad, because this is a game that pays with rewards. If you are lucky, you can get it, but most people do this, they don't think about the risks, so they only think about winning what they will get, even though it's not certain. happen.

What you say is correct, winning is the main agenda which ends in chasing defeat, there is even a famous figure in my country who said "even if they win, it is the beginning of defeat" and I think that is true. The large number of people who have a bad view of gambling is due to the fault of the gamblers themselves who gamble excessively so that they often experience many problems and bad impacts. They should be able to consider the action they are going to take before regretting it in the end.

I think that the casino is always an Opportunity to show ourselves what we are capable of doing and achieving, sometimes we see that things can be very Difficult and can generate a lot of frustration if we determine that many things can be guaranteed, our Security is an Invaluable value that we should not lose even if we lose at the casino, we should always have willpower and action, in any case we will feel that it can take away our confidence because if we play and or win then it is already an Imminent Failure , but if we see it from another point of view things can Change and be better if we manage to handle it to have fun and Occasionally make a profit, it does not Matter if Society does not like it, it is not being harmed, there is no need to complicate things.

To be able to achieve what the gambling wants seems difficult, because the chances of victory are smaller than the chances of defeat. In addition, if the gambling is done with the aim of producing a win or indeed we pursue victory, frustration can occur due to the defeat that will occur. We must be able to have security when gambling such as limits and be aware not to gamble excessively when you have lost, do not let us lose self-control or self-confidence when gambling and also do not be too confident when gambling, because it can cause actions that are not considered first and that are at great risk.

It is true that if gambling is done in a healthy way such as doing it just for fun and not upset by the losses that occur then there may not be a big problem such as the feeling of wanting to recover losses or chasing losses. But unfortunately, people also have mouths and eyes where they can see and comment on someone who is gambling, even though they are not harmed, you know that humans like to interfere in other people's business.

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Society needs gambling as additional way to have fun. Society must change attitude to gambling from negative (stop reading and producing info how people only lose) to neutral (a way to have fun, but not a primary one).
I believe so but what we have seen is that it was not for making them fun or for their pastime, it has now become one of their necessities which has become a reason for their financial problem due to heavy addiction. In fact, in our place, many of them are in debt because of this and they are working hard, have some money, and gamble which is supposed for their basic needs. It is not helping anymore but it causes additional problems. They are not too young not to know how it ruins their life and needs education, they are supposed to realize it before the worst thing happens.

Excessive gambling is bad and it can start from when a gambler wants to use gambling to console himself or wants to gamble for profit. This will make such gambler to forget on how to discipline himself from addiction. People that are in debts due to gambling should not gamble anymore because it will ruin their lives. This is because they will keep on paying their debts as it accumulates, and they will have nothing left to depend on.

These set of gamblers are the people that is making the society frown at gambling, because it is having a negative impact on them and the society. Their families will not be happy and less care will be shown to them by the gambler. Addicted gamblers have always brought pain to their families due to their gambling problems and how they lavish money on gambling chasing their losses. Some of them steals to gamble or sell properties to gamble.

However, if gambling can be done in a normal way with self control and discipline, it will help a lot and addicted gamblers will be few. This can be achieved if we don't think of profit when gambling.

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Society needs gambling as additional way to have fun. Society must change attitude to gambling from negative (stop reading and producing info how people only lose) to neutral (a way to have fun, but not a primary one).
I believe so but what we have seen is that it was not for making them fun or for their pastime, it has now become one of their necessities which has become a reason for their financial problem due to heavy addiction. In fact, in our place, many of them are in debt because of this and they are working hard, have some money, and gamble which is supposed for their basic needs. It is not helping anymore but it causes additional problems. They are not too young not to know how it ruins their life and needs education, they are supposed to realize it before the worst thing happens.

Society speaks against gambling because it causes financial loss.  And the incidence of its damage is very high.  Some can be completely ruined by gambling.  Because when you become addicted to gambling, even if you lose gambling, you don't hesitate to sell your valuables and invest in gambling.  It gives us a lot of peace of mind when gambling is limited to fun.  But when it turns into addiction, it becomes a cause of great loss for us.

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June 10, 2024, 09:13:01 AM
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Overall, by looking at the current stigma, it is clear that there will be many people who agree that gambling has a negative impact, especially with what is happening now where there will be many people who will assume that gambling is a condition that will definitely be considered a bad person, so something like this already indicates that gambling is a condition that will never be labeled good.

But in other cases when we already know what we are doing and do not disturb others and do not harm them, I think gambling can still be done because after all, we do it voluntarily and without coercion from others and use our own in the end so why care about people's judgments that we cannot prevent, as long as it does not harm others and we are able to minimize everything that happens as a consequence, it is indeed no problem to gamble.

Although ideally not done but if we are already in gambling then why not as long as we can be responsible with ourselves.


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June 10, 2024, 09:33:02 AM
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So what I'm trying to conclude is that gambling isn't something you should take as a hobby or as a means of earning just to make a living. So what are your thoughts?
Gambling is really enjoyable if one realizes it. And that joy can only be realized by those who conduct responsible gambling there. But when a gambler engages in irresponsible gambling he will see it not as a joy but as a bane of his life. An addicted gambler or an irresponsible gambler will not be viewed favorably by society. Because today or tomorrow society will be damaged by him. However, we cannot blame for gamble as a gambler's behavior is entirely personal. By conducting responsible gambling on one will never be affected by the negative effects of gambling.

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June 10, 2024, 09:38:04 AM
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But when a gambler engages in irresponsible gambling he will see it not as a joy but as a bane of his life. An addicted gambler or an irresponsible gambler will not be viewed favorably by society. Because today or tomorrow society will be damaged by him. However, we cannot blame for gamble as a gambler's behavior is entirely personal. By conducting responsible gambling on one will never be affected by the negative effects of gambling.

Being addicted or irresponsible gambler doesn’t mean you can harm the society unless the gambler does an action that affects the community then this is true. Some of the addicted gambler usually just play on their own silently since they spend most of their time in the casino instead of joining to do the society.

I believe the close family is the one will be affected financially if ever the gambler is using the money intended for his family but that’s not always the case so let’s stop generalizing an addicted is harmful to everyone.
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June 10, 2024, 10:12:48 AM
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But when a gambler engages in irresponsible gambling he will see it not as a joy but as a bane of his life. An addicted gambler or an irresponsible gambler will not be viewed favorably by society. Because today or tomorrow society will be damaged by him. However, we cannot blame for gamble as a gambler's behavior is entirely personal. By conducting responsible gambling on one will never be affected by the negative effects of gambling.

Being addicted or irresponsible gambler doesn’t mean you can harm the society unless the gambler does an action that affects the community then this is true. Some of the addicted gambler usually just play on their own silently since they spend most of their time in the casino instead of joining to do the society.

I believe the close family is the one will be affected financially if ever the gambler is using the money intended for his family but that’s not always the case so let’s stop generalizing an addicted is harmful to everyone.
Nice one! Now, let's view it from a standpoint, if gambling is so evil to the point that it will be very evil/negative to society to the extent of causing harm to people who are not even gambling through those who are gambling, do you think the government will be this silent about it, especially if it has now become an epidemy in the country? In this situation, if care is not even taken, gambling would be abolished in the country, just like the government is fighting drugs which could cause others who are not even taking them to be harmed due to the drugs' influence on those who are taking them. But the situation is not so right now, which technically means that gambling is not as bad as people are taking it, if not for the irresponsible acts (in finances) associated with gamblers.

Also, look around you, how many people have been harmed by gambling addicts just because such addicts want to gamble? Being bad and doing all sorts of evil is human and is a different ballgame and it is in the nature of the person personally whether he gambles or not. Even if such will use part of the evil proceeds to gamble, how many more things will the person use it for aside from gambling? There will be many of course, so this is not about gambling itself but a bad human being. This is applicable to whether he is even addicted to the extent of robbing, for example, and using part of it to gamble, which is the only risk I see here. But note that desperation can push anyone to do an unspeakable thing but no one has the right to do evil things no matter the reason. A good mind will always counter evil thoughts and opt for a good alternative, so it is not gambling that should be blamed but that evil soul itself.

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June 10, 2024, 10:15:30 AM
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So what I'm trying to conclude is that gambling isn't something you should take as a hobby or as a means of earning just to make a living. So what are your thoughts?
Gambling is really enjoyable if one realizes it. And that joy can only be realized by those who conduct responsible gambling there. But when a gambler engages in irresponsible gambling he will see it not as a joy but as a bane of his life. An addicted gambler or an irresponsible gambler will not be viewed favorably by society. Because today or tomorrow society will be damaged by him. However, we cannot blame for gamble as a gambler's behavior is entirely personal. By conducting responsible gambling on one will never be affected by the negative effects of gambling.
When many people can have responsibility in gambling, they will enjoy gambling as an entertainment, even if that society playing gambling together. They will not thinks that gambling is a place to make money but only a place to have fun and will treat gambling as it was. But it is not easy for people to looks gambling as an entertainment because when they wins some money, their minds will thinks that they can makes more money and that can attract them to continue playing gambling to wins more. They will not see gambling as an entertainment anymore but a place to make money so they will use more money to wins more. They must realizes that will difficult for them to wins so they must not trying to playing gambling longer and use more money to avoids more losses.

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