To freebitco.in and their representative, TheQuin

[examplens]

What about the users that had their BTC sent to an address that wasn't theirs?

FreeBitco.in Appears Hacked - Monthly Prize Money Stolen From Multiple Users

I'd like to know more about what happened here before withdrawing support for the flag.

Quite another case.

The currently active flag (which I just oposed) refers to this thread and the problem with withdrawal. We cannot reward the user with a flag when he obviously tried his best and managed to solve the problem.
The flag related to this thread is not appropriate. It can be quite confusing for someone who is not familiar with the whole thing.

Later, I will go through this thread that you linked to familiarize myself with the whole thing. Of course, if there are elements of risk in that case, a new flag should be created that will refer to that case, or if there are several cases, they should all be combined into one thread.

[attempt_n_t]

Seeing that little by little the problem is being solved, the only thing I find missing to change my feedback, if things continue to improve, is an official statement from TheQuin or wetsuit explaining what has happened and what they plan to do to prevent it from happening again. I don't know if those of you who have supported the flag and those of you who have left negative feedback agree with me.

I think the issues have been solved. The website is working well now. Authorization emails are sent without any delay and withdrawals are processed.

I agree with you on the point that they should make an official announcement regarding what happened. I think freebitco.in PR's post wasn't enough and more explanation is required. Freebitco.in has been around for more than 10 years, it has been a popular service and they should have a better communication with their users. Their twitter account is also active and they can post a tweet about the recent issues there.

TheQuin was very active before and was always responsive. He became much less active after October, 2023 and has been offline since May 23.
Maybe, TheQuin stopped working with freebitco.in and all the issues arose after that. This is just a guess and whatever happened, users need an explanation.


I am not sure whether I should remove the negative feedback and I also want to know others opinions.
Maybe, we can consider changing the feedback type to neutral for now? or remove it? I am not sure.

1. As I wrote above, Freebitco.in still has not credited me (since May 11) $5 for a post about winnings. This problem has not been solved, although I have written about it several times, including about who uses the Freebitco.in PR-account here.

2. Today, about two hours ago, I requested the withdrawal of all funds on my balance (~0.00380000 BTC) in the “Slow” mode.
First, a notification was displayed about the satoshi being credited within 6 hours. However, after some time, the notification “Your payout requests are waiting to be manually reviewed. This process might take up to 24 hours” appeared. Immediately after this, Freebitco.in began to block my IP address (now I can’t collect satoshi), although there were no such problems before! I don't think this is a coincidence.
I have always had one account, I have been using 2FA identification for a long time and have never used scripts, programs, etc. I feel that Freebitco.in, under a far-fetched pretext, will delay payments or will not make payments at all. I'll let you know how the situation turns out.

Unfortunately, at the moment I have little understanding of how this forum works. I don't know how I can get my funds. If anyone can help me, I will be very grateful.

[Lucius]

Let everyone decide what to do with their flag support or feedback - but it's not just e-mails that didn't arrive, but as @nutildah says there are many more red flags that still remain unexplained. People who waited for months for their deposit to be credited (some are still waiting), and those who claim that their accounts were blocked for no reason, would certainly not agree that everything is back to normal.

Something is rotten in freebitco and until one of the official representatives comes forward and tries to give some explanation, my opinion is that the warning should remain. Considering the successful withdraw, I can only change my feedback, but it will still remain negative.

~snip~
First, a notification was displayed about the satoshi being credited within 6 hours. However, after some time, the notification “Your payout requests are waiting to be manually reviewed. This process might take up to 24 hours” appeared. Immediately after this, Freebitco.in began to block my IP address (now I can’t collect satoshi), although there were no such problems before! I don't think this is a coincidence.

When you mention it, it was strange to me that immediately after a successful withdrawal they reduced my basic reward on the faucet, and now I have to solve the captcha, which was not the case before. Fortunately, my IP is not blocked, although today I could not log in without confirmation via e-mail.

[NABiT]

First I've heard of IP blocking other than for multi-accounting and botting abuse.

This sounds more and more to me like new management, no support in place yet, and maybe starting to enforce T&Cs

TheQuin maybe looks in occasionally to see how things are developing but is in no position to post any responses.

Hope I'm wrong on all counts.

[LTU_btc]

Let everyone decide what to do with their flag support or feedback - but it's not just e-mails that didn't arrive, but as @nutildah says there are many more red flags that still remain unexplained. People who waited for months for their deposit to be credited (some are still waiting), and those who claim that their accounts were blocked for no reason, would certainly not agree that everything is back to normal.

Something is rotten in freebitco and until one of the official representatives comes forward and tries to give some explanation, my opinion is that the warning should remain. Considering the successful withdraw, I can only change my feedback, but it will still remain negative.

Agree with your thoughts. Yeah, part of issues got resolved, things looks better than it was few days ago. But still, there is still issues remaining and like said, starting to block users for no reasons doesn't looks good.
I doubt that they want to scam their users or something similar, but it's just obvious that things doesn't wotlrks as it used to be. And we can only speculate what is reason behind this.

[SATWAT]

I am not sure whether I should remove the negative feedback and I also want to know others opinions.
Maybe, we can consider changing the feedback type to neutral for now? or remove it? I am not sure.

It was obviously a technical problem and not an intention to deceive users. The flag and negative tags that were left and based on this reference are obviously no longer appropriate. I don't know if there are any other active scam accusations, but I would consider this as solved.

What about the users that had their BTC sent to an address that wasn't theirs?

FreeBitco.in Appears Hacked - Monthly Prize Money Stolen From Multiple Users

I'd like to know more about what happened here before withdrawing support for the flag.

As many are mentioning things are coming back on normal but still we need some updates and reviews about few things which are having trouble and many users those fail to received their prizes belong to them @nutildah pointed out about few things with most wired thing is happening now after 23rd May we are having no @TheQuin on this forum even he was regularly coming and checking few things with no giving any updates.

Hopefully we will have more things to be settled in next few days, and they will also bring some communication with members which will increase their reputation which is hurt in last few days.

[Poker Player]

The currently active flag (which I just oposed) refers to this thread and the problem with withdrawal. We cannot reward the user with a flag when he obviously tried his best and managed to solve the problem.
The flag related to this thread is not appropriate. It can be quite confusing for someone who is not familiar with the whole thing.

If you are going to oppose a flag, the least you can do is to read the OP of the thread it links to as it doesn't just talk about the withdrawal problem and "the problem of withdrawal" doesn't appear anywhere in the flag.

[NotATether]

I've supported the flag not only because of the aforementioned problems but also due to the fact that there is no talk about any of these events from the upper management of Freebitcoin. There was literally only the PR account making a statement about email backlogs and that's it. None of the other problems were acknowledged. No other announcement on other social media, nothing.

[attempt_n_t]

1. As I wrote above, Freebitco.in still has not credited me (since May 11) $5 for a post about winnings. This problem has not been solved, although I have written about it several times, including about who uses the Freebitco.in PR-account here.

2. Today, about two hours ago, I requested the withdrawal of all funds on my balance (~0.00380000 BTC) in the “Slow” mode.
First, a notification was displayed about the satoshi being credited within 6 hours. However, after some time, the notification “Your payout requests are waiting to be manually reviewed. This process might take up to 24 hours” appeared. Immediately after this, Freebitco.in began to block my IP address (now I can’t collect satoshi), although there were no such problems before! I don't think this is a coincidence.
I have always had one account, I have been using 2FA identification for a long time and have never used scripts, programs, etc. I feel that Freebitco.in, under a far-fetched pretext, will delay payments or will not make payments at all. I'll let you know how the situation turns out.

Unfortunately, at the moment I have little understanding of how this forum works. I don't know how I can get my funds. If anyone can help me, I will be very grateful.

I received my ~380000 satoshi, but ~8300 satoshi for my post about winning Fribitco.in have still not been credited to me.

[examplens]

If you are going to oppose a flag, the least you can do is to read the OP of the thread it links to as it doesn't just talk about the withdrawal problem and "the problem of withdrawal" doesn't appear anywhere in the flag.

Read the entire first post again, there were several updates, maybe you missed something.

The flag is based on this:

The main issues in the past days have been as follows.

• Users don't get the authorization email when requesting withdrawals and only those users that have enabled 2FA could make withdrawal.
  
• Until a few hours ago, those users that had enabled 2FA could make withdrawal without any need to confirm the withdrawal via their email. According to reports posted by some users in their thread, in the past hours, even those users that have enabled 2FA have been unable to withdraw their fund.
  
• Some users reported they get an error saying the password is incorrect while they entered the correct password. Also, there is no way to reset the password, since they don't receive the email.
• Freebitco's representative, TheQuin is no longer responsive to users. He was very active before. freebitco.in PR still makes the promotional posts without any notice to users issues.

In the meantime, many users have confirmed that they have successfully verified the withdrawal request via confirmation email, as well as that they have successfully received withdrawal funds. As the OP confirmed adding an update

Update (June 02, 2024):
I just requested a withdrawal. I got the authorization email in a few seconds and received the payment.
It seems that the email issue has been solved.


Update (June 03, 2024):
I reset my password, enabled 2FA and also changed my withdrawal address in my profile. I received the authorization emails and could do all of them successfully.
It seems that the service is working well now.

It could be concluded that the initial problem (technical problem with email authorization reflected on the withdrawal process) when opening this discussion has been solved.
A flag that has a "solved" mark in reference, cannot be suitable.

I've supported the flag not only because of the aforementioned problems but also due to the fact that there is no talk about any of these events from the upper management of Freebitcoin. There was literally only the PR account making a statement about email backlogs and that's it. None of the other problems were acknowledged. No other announcement on other social media, nothing.

This flag is not directly related to their poor communication and support. I guess they should have informed us about everything, which part of the code caused the problem or which line in the firewall stopped processing the email.
I agree that they have poor support, in fact, it's better to say that they don't have it. But this problem has existed with them for years.


What message are we sending to all other services if we don't want to acknowledge someone's effort to fix the issue? There are many services that I don't like, but my personal views are not enough to label someone negatively if there are no real elements for it.
To be clear, I'm not here defending Freebitco, I just think that the wrong flag diminishes the value of the trust system on this forum.

[Eternad]

^ @examplens is right about the reference of the flag since this thread only mention about the pending withdrawal issue.

But the real problem that is not addressed yet aside from this pending withdrawal is the security due to changing of withdrawal address during the withdraw process. Many whale user experience this including high rank member here. You can read this thread as reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5495097.msg64024210#msg64024210

So there looking for staff at freebitco.in?
That means that someone is in theory there at least doing something at freebitco.in whether or not it's anything big or small will just say that somebody's there doing something. And if that is the case, the least they could do is acknowledge that some BS happen with the wagering contest about a month ago and the top 10 wagers all had their money stolen. Oh and by the way we're looking for new staff.

However, no mention of any kind of problems going on, just to mention that they're looking to staff free bitco.in.

That's pretty pathetic. At least acknowledge that there's some s*** going on. That's not right and then ask for staffing.

I want the $500  that was stolen from me
How about we work on getting some answerers
For all the people that were robbed of their money after the monthly wagering contest concluded.

Why do we keep sitting here speculating whether or not free? Big Cody and is still a legitimate place and to be trusted. Hell no they're not to be trusted. Absolutely not. No question. They are not to be trusted. Just end the conversation. There doesn't need to go on anymore. They are not to be trusted until we get a resolution to the monthly wagering contest that was corrupted.

We want our money. Somebody say something. I don't care if you're the pr person wetsuit or the Quinn himself f****** say something

This post above is from one of the user that experienced this same security issue which is never addressed by the PR on his recent announcement. This issue started all the doubt about freebitco.in before this delay withdrawal problem.

[codergeek]

People are free to speculate as they wish.

Is it possible TheQuin stole our wagering contest prizes?

TheQuin hasn't responded to any of us. Our private messages ignored by him.

Maybe that's why they are looking for new staff?

This was a targeted attack on the high-rollers and wagering contest winners.

Why were only the wagering contest winners targeted?

And perhaps the email backlog was caused by an SMTP DDoS attack by a disgruntled victim or staff

How can the PR account acknowledge the email issue yet ignore the stolen funds. Why be silent on this

I have no options. No response from support. TheQuin ignores us.

I am left with nothing other than to post a scam accusation.

I will delay this only another week or two.

I'm all out of options.

I've been using fbtc for over six years. Never had a problem until my funds were stolen.

[GinnyBanzz]

I doubt very much this a scam, they are just disorganized and basically just an amateur operation. Let's hope they hire a decent support team and actually explain what went wrong.

[Mugtaiya]

I doubt very much this a scam, they are just disorganized and basically just an amateur operation. Let's hope they hire a decent support team and actually explain what went wrong.

This their original account or might be connected to the team in some way Name free-bit.co.in Registered June 08, 2014
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341170

[mindrust]

Maybe TheQuin left his position and they are having a hard time to find somebody as dedicated as him. When theQuin was active, he was quick to respond to every accusation. Most of the time the accusers were cheaters and he was posting proof to show everyone the scammers’ real intentions. Maybe he had enough money and decided that it is not worth to deal with the scammers for the rest of his life. I can’t blame him. What good is it to have lots of money but you don’t have time to enjoy it? Wetsuit has been probably doing the same thing for the last 7-8 years. Now they need to find somebody else who will carry the burden.

[codergeek]

freebitco.in if you are not responsible for our lost funds then say it.

Don't be silent. Say something. Anything.

We need truth and certainty.

[kokoska]

I am a premium member in game ( buy FUN) and i must receive free roll every day, but 3-4 days i do not see me 4 free roll (((

[LoyceV]

Bad signs all around.

The bad signs were there for years, but massively ignored. Read Freebitco.in provably cheating:

You should probably move (bottom-left) this to Scam Accusations.

I've often wondered if they're legit, based on the average cost per faucet claim:
1 number pays $200
2 numbers pay $20
4 numbers pay $2
8 numbers pay $0.20
100 numbers pay $0.02
9886 numbers pay $0.002

I've always wanted to know if they really pay $271.37 on average for 10000 rolls. And if so, why don't they just pay $0.027 for each roll? They'd have the highest paying faucet, while it would cost them the same amount in total.
Because they choose not to pay the average amount for each roll, but made it a jackpot system, cheating would be possible and largely go unnoticed. Especially if they only cheat once every few thousand rolls.

Based on the odds, I would expect one $200 winner for every 2 $20 winners.
I did a (manual) count on pages 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, and 50 on Big wins at FreeBitco.in:
I just won $20 at FreeBitco.in! 116 times
I just won $200 at FreeBitco.in! 2 times
I probably miscounted a bit, but let's round it down: winning $200 is 50 times less likely than winning $20, and that makes the difference 25 12.5 times larger than it should be.

When theQuin was active, he was quick to respond to every accusation. Most of the time the accusers were cheaters and he was posting proof to show everyone the scammers’ real intentions.

To me, it always seemed like he just wanted to silence the accusations, and that worked quite well.

Except for the case in which he knew he couldn't bully me, so he didn't respond at all:

Interesting. It would be interesting to hear statement from wetsuit or TheQuin.

I find it interesting that for years they haven't responded here. I still believe the accusations are plausible.

[mindrust]

Tbh I don’t give a rat’s ass if they have been cheating the free rolls because the players also do cheat. Some people even use bots which act like a real player because you can program a bot with random behavior. No business can survive against thousands of scammers that look for any potential crack to be abused.

They have been paying 4% annual interest like a clockwork, I have never experienced any problems withdrawals and many people also haven’t for years and their sports betting uses parimutuel betting which doesn’t exist on any other crypto casino as far as I am aware.

When I add up everything together, I can easily say freebitco.in is a net positive, by a yuge margin.

[NotATether]

Maybe TheQuin left his position and they are having a hard time to find somebody as dedicated as him. When theQuin was active, he was quick to respond to every accusation. Most of the time the accusers were cheaters and he was posting proof to show everyone the scammers’ real intentions. Maybe he had enough money and decided that it is not worth to deal with the scammers for the rest of his life. I can’t blame him. What good is it to have lots of money but you don’t have time to enjoy it? Wetsuit has been probably doing the same thing for the last 7-8 years. Now they need to find somebody else who will carry the burden.

It still does not excuse the fact that he's literally still browsing the forum so has to make at least one post explaining what is going on with all this stuff. Then he can bow out if he wants.

(No, I am not affected by the freebitcoin shenanigans)