Merit sources can join casino campaigns, it's a choice

[Halab]

This is the list of both old and New merit source + allocation power https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Pssst young padawan, this list is only visible to Staff members or admins. Theymos has never publicly given out the list of MS (even though they are quickly and efficiently spotted), so I assume that this list is "secret" .

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Hi all, I actually don't know how many merit sources exists in the forum and what activities mostly interests them. But I'm sure I've seen threads with complaints regarding the gambling section lacking merit sources. Which simply means that accounts assigned to share merits don't lurk around that board. Looking at it, I thought of this occurrence being the choice of the merit sources as they don't want to read or share posts in that board. If they were interested they would have joined campaigns that promote gambling. You know what that means? They'll probably have to post there. In a nutshell, disturbing the admins of this forum to send such people to the board is good, but from my perspective it's their choice not to be there. Gambling campaigns would have been the easiest way of getting some members in the merit distributing category to the gambling section, but a lot of them avoids it too. Hence such a collaborative choice, as it may seem, definitely has reason. What could that be?

Well, I did just say that you are not far from the truth, if actually all that you said isnt the exact truth.
I personally don't understand the rules that goes with being a merit source, whether they are restricted from sharing or sending merits to posts in some board, I can't really tell but if this be the case, then I guess it's not really their fault neglecting the gambling board, since from what I know, the gambling board seems not to have any merit source dedicated to it.

But in a situation where the merit sources are at liberty of sending merits to posts from any board of their choice (doest matter if they applied to be a merit source in a local board, bitcoin board etc), then it's completely their decision to neglect the gambling, and this is because most of them believe that no good posts are being made in that board aside spam, which totally is incorrect.

[Sexylizzy2813]

I myself I don't really know most of the merit source, I see them same way I see other Forum members without knowing they hold a particular position but I wish one source would be in control in the gambling section.

This is the list of both old and New merit source + allocation power https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

With that number of merit source in the Forum won't it be ok if 2 or one be assigned to the gambling board? I'm only concerned about this particular move, at least 1 who can as well act as the person to give members pass mark on their post, although we only have to say it but the only one who can make it work is Mr Theymos, if he doesn't then all we're saying are for nothing. Mr Theymos knows best and we can't tell a man how to run his home we only give advise and suggestions.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Well, I did just say that you are not far from the truth, if actually all that you said isnt the exact truth.
I personally don't understand the rules that goes with being a merit source, whether they are restricted from sharing or sending merits to posts in some board, I can't really tell but if this be the case, then I guess it's not really their fault neglecting the gambling board, since from what I know, the gambling board seems not to have any merit source dedicated to it.

You use a hell of a lot of words to make a minor statement, just saying.

There are NO restrictions as to boards on which merit sources can hand out merits--and if there are, Theymos certainly didn't send me the memo.  Probably against my better judgement I've given plenty of merits to members who post in the gambling section, but that was when I was doing post history reviews.  It was also one of the reasons why I stopped doing them; I started to suspect that there were a ton of shady members who pitched their tents in the gambling sections, were making borderline OK posts but were using me to farm merits.

I've already posted in this thread, but if there's a section that doesn't need a devoted merit source, it's gambling.

[Majestic-milf]

With that number of merit source in the Forum won't it be ok if 2 or one be assigned to the gambling board? I'm only concerned about this particular move, at least 1 who can as well act as the person to give members pass mark on their post, although we only have to say it but the only one who can make it work is Mr Theymos, if he doesn't then all we're saying are for nothing. Mr Theymos knows best and we can't tell a man how to run his home we only give advise and suggestions.

It will be a good thing if at least one is assigned there but just like I said earlier, since we know there are merit sources who frequent the gambling, it's also hard to get good posters and even when there are, it's difficult to locate those who drop good content. Or do you propose create a separate room for quality posts so it can be easy for them to locate?
 The gambling section has earned a reputation for housing spammers and sometimes shit posters and it's unfortunate that good posters who go there often get roped in. I can count on my finger how many times I've being merited on that section and if it isn't for Sceptical's benevolence when he was still doing the posts reviews, I doubt it will have reached six.
 The way I see it, it's not like MS are stingy or they don't see good posters over there, it's just maybe they are trying to be fair; because if you start giving a particular set of users, the ones who don't receive will start feeling left out and you'd begin to see threads being created to voice out their displeasure.

[Churchillvv]

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You use a hell of a lot of words to make a minor statement, just saying.

There are NO restrictions as to boards on which merit sources can hand out merits--and if there are, Theymos certainly didn't send me the memo.  Probably against my better judgement I've given plenty of merits to members who post in the gambling section, but that was when I was doing post history reviews.  It was also one of the reasons why I stopped doing them; I started to suspect that there were a ton of shady members who pitched their tents in the gambling sections, were making borderline OK posts but were using me to farm merits.

I've already posted in this thread, but if there's a section that doesn't need a devoted merit source, it's gambling.

Even members who have smerits in their custody don't even find it convincing to spread merit among themselves in the gambling board. That also sends a message.

If anyone (merit source) would dedicate themselves to giving out merit in that board it must be an obvious merit worthy post. Basically all I can see there is repetition of post or should I call it shady paraphrases. over 95% of post in that board are for post count.

The Sceptical Chymist maybe you forgot one thing "Abusers will always be abusers" maybe you might give a rethink to post review.

[EarnOnVictor]

Hi all, I actually don't know how many merit sources exists in the forum and what activities mostly interests them. But I'm sure I've seen threads with complaints regarding the gambling section lacking merit sources. Which simply means that accounts assigned to share merits don't lurk around that board. Looking at it, I thought of this occurrence being the choice of the merit sources as they don't want to read or share posts in that board. If they were interested they would have joined campaigns that promote gambling. You know what that means? They'll probably have to post there. In a nutshell, disturbing the admins of this forum to send such people to the board is good, but from my perspective it's their choice not to be there. Gambling campaigns would have been the easiest way of getting some members in the merit distributing category to the gambling section, but a lot of them avoids it too. Hence such a collaborative choice, as it may seem, definitely has reason. What could that be?

Well, I did just say that you are not far from the truth, if actually all that you said isnt the exact truth.
I personally don't understand the rules that goes with being a merit source, whether they are restricted from sharing or sending merits to posts in some board, I can't really tell but if this be the case, then I guess it's not really their fault neglecting the gambling board, since from what I know, the gambling board seems not to have any merit source dedicated to it.

But in a situation where the merit sources are at liberty of sending merits to posts from any board of their choice (doest matter if they applied to be a merit source in a local board, bitcoin board etc), then it's completely their decision to neglect the gambling, and this is because most of them believe that no good posts are being made in that board aside spam, which totally is incorrect.

Meriting a section of the forum has never been resisted in my opinion, at least not by any rule and no one would say you should not merit a certain section being a merit source even if you were granted the status for a different section during the application. All I see here is a practice that has had a solid root, which is fine. But one thing that is certain is that there are many posts in the gambling section that are multiple times better than the posts they merit elsewhere when it comes to construction and meaning.

That section is merely stereotyped by many, and as you know, what others are doing, many others would follow, it is just a trend. Had it been you see the huge voices on the forum meriting well at that section, you will see many others doing that's well. This is why I conclude that it is not natural but a copied practice.

[Miles2006]

I myself I don't really know most of the merit source, I see them same way I see other Forum members without knowing they hold a particular position but I wish one source would be in control in the gambling section.

This is the list of both old and New merit source + allocation power https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

With that number of merit source in the Forum won't it be ok if 2 or one be assigned to the gambling board? I'm only concerned about this particular move, at least 1 who can as well act as the person to give members pass mark on their post, although we only have to say it but the only one who can make it work is Mr Theymos, if he doesn't then all we're saying are for nothing. Mr Theymos knows best and we can't tell a man how to run his home we only give advise and suggestions.

Issues like this keep coming up and it’s either people complain about the gambling board lacking merit or sometimes people still criticize the merit system and merit distribution. Everyone will definitely have their likes and dislikes secondly my own way of choosing quality posts will be totally different from someone else choice that’s why most times few merit source can decide to ignore any board, from my observation it’s either most merit source don’t understand how gambling works so it’s difficult meriting any post in gambling discussion with zero experience but, reasons best known to oneself for making any decision so it’s best we respect their different decision.
Here is just one merit application I found concerning the gambling board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464289.0

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Even members who have smerits in their custody don't even find it convincing to spread merit among themselves in the gambling board. That also sends a message.

Tell me about it!  Often I'd be doing a post history review for a member who posted primarily in the gambling section and I'd see that nearly all of the other posts on the pages I was visiting hadn't received any merits.  And I started to think, "Am I the sucker here or what?".  Sad to say but I believe I was.  I made the classic mistake of equating post length with effort (or how much thought was put into it) when in fact a lot of the longer posts were simply bloated crap.

The Sceptical Chymist maybe you forgot one thing "Abusers will always be abusers" maybe you might give a rethink to post review.

Maybe you didn't realize this, but before I ended my offer for good in April of this year, I had already made an announcement that I was no longer going to review posts made in the gambling section in October of 2023, because that's where I saw most of the potential abuse coming from.  So I don't know if your sentence above is nudging me to reconsider starting up my review offer, but either way I'm not going to do it.  Abusers will always be abusers, and a corollary to that is the vast majority of them are found right here on this goddamn forum, which is like a scumbag magnet of sorts.

*Note: I love this goddamn forum despite its various infestations.*

[uchegod-21]

Even members who have smerits in their custody don't even find it convincing to spread merit among themselves in the gambling board. That also sends a message.

Tell me about it!  Often I'd be doing a post history review for a member who posted primarily in the gambling section and I'd see that nearly all of the other posts on the pages I was visiting hadn't received any merits.  And I started to think, "Am I the sucker here or what?".  Sad to say but I believe I was.  I made the classic mistake of equating post length with effort (or how much thought was put into it) when in fact a lot of the longer posts were simply bloated crap.

Have you tried visiting some other mega threads apart from the ones in gambling discussion? Try to visit mega threads in Altcoinstalks and also understand the level of spam going on there. I am beginning to understand that spam is not peculiar to gambling discussion boards but to any mega threads. Just for the sake of post count, people can just drop shits and move one. They don't care if anyone will attempt to read or not. You only understood the level of spam happening in the gambling discussion board because of your post review. The review demands that you have to read to know post quality. This is why I most times blame managers who read the posts of these spammers week in and out and yet still retain them in their campaign.

[Churchillvv]

I made the classic mistake of equating post length with effort (or how much thought was put into it) when in fact a lot of the longer posts were simply bloated crap.

It's a common mistake and it always looks convincing.

I used to write walls of text beating around the bush but loycev changed that perception of me, maybe I was influenced with the posting style of others. quantity doesn't determine quality, unfortunately you just learnt that late.

Maybe you didn't realize this, but before I ended my offer for good in April of this year, I had already made an announcement that I was no longer going to review posts made in the gambling section in October of 2023, because that's where I saw most of the potential abuse coming from.

Never came across that thread before, so I wouldn't know about this decision of yours.

I was way too new to the forum to know about your post review. 

So I don't know if your sentence above is nudging me to reconsider starting up my review offer, but either way I'm not going to do it.  Abusers will always be abusers, and a corollary to that is the vast majority of them are found right here on this goddamn forum, which is like a scumbag magnet of sorts.

*Note: I love this goddamn forum despite its various infestations.*

Nahh, I'm not nudging your to go against your will.

Sad you can't get rid of scumbags because everyday we breed them, I'm not perfect but I see you trying to keep the forum more clean.
y'all trying hard to keep the place clean deserve some accolades.

much love mate!

[OgNasty]

There are many merit sources on gambling boards now. The problem is that they do not like to give merit to gambling posts. I see many more of them when mixers and Bestchange campaigns ended, most of them are now hearing the signature and avatar of gambling sites.

It’s somewhat difficult to have a really unique and enlightening gambling post. Not saying they don’t happen, but the competition to be original is much greater than with typical Bitcoin posts where unique opinions that one might feel deserves to be merited are more common. I’d venture to guess that is the factor in why it appears merit sources don’t “like” to merit gambling posts.

[Smartvirus]

It’s somewhat difficult to have a really unique and enlightening gambling post. Not saying they don’t happen, but the competition to be original is much greater than with typical Bitcoin posts where unique opinions that one might feel deserves to be merited are more common. I’d venture to guess that is the factor in why it appears merit sources don’t “like” to merit gambling posts.

It’s not untrue that most persons by virtue of the forum mechanics have seen the gambling board for a low quality or merit dead zone and the people you could find there are those that are either interested in the sport or or just there to make their post quota as per campaign requirements and leave which is easy to spot by the way. Gambling posters as we would have them could easily be noted by the way they engage in conversations with other gambling posters within the board, their passion for the game could be noted in the history and events that occur within games and how they’ve been able to pursue this even still through the pools.
When these sort of persons find what is worth meriting within this space, many of them wouldn’t hold back but, it’s mainly minimal and that’s because of the stigma that has been long associated with the board.

[_BlackStar]

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It’s not untrue that most persons by virtue of the forum mechanics have seen the gambling board for a low quality or merit dead zone and the people you could find there are those that are either interested in the sport or or just there to make their post quota as per campaign requirements and leave which is easy to spot by the way. Gambling posters as we would have them could easily be noted by the way they engage in conversations with other gambling posters within the board, their passion for the game could be noted in the history and events that occur within games and how they’ve been able to pursue this even still through the pools.
When these sort of persons find what is worth meriting within this space, many of them wouldn’t hold back but, it’s mainly minimal and that’s because of the stigma that has been long associated with the board.

There are different perspectives on gambling board – there are definitely pluses and minuses. The quality of posts also depends on an individual's point of view - sometimes also on who is posting and what is being posted. There are those who chase quality and there are also those who chase quantity - this is a unique thing that this simple forum basically has.

[Smartvirus]

Of course these do exists in the gambling board and you’ve just spread it out wide if I were to dissect what you’ve said here in the comments as I see fit given the way it applies.

The quality of posts also depends on an individual's point of view

Point of views is the very essence while we have ourselves a discussion platform, free to air and not have some mute option on users less they break forum rule and get temp ban or permanent.

- sometimes also on who is posting and what is being posted.

Having to look at who is posting is more like, is this individual a gambler, a want to be gambler, sports/casino wanna be/gambler. While, What’s being posted about could be about unique gambling situations about a gambling site, why gambling is this or that in the society, why it has such strongholds in people and society despite attributes to it and more.

There are those who chase quality and there are also those who chase quantity - this is a unique thing that this simple forum basically has.

This might relate logically to the campaigns and true gambling fans who, despite the campaigns be sure to have fun in the arguments, pools and side bets that exists within the field.

Hope I got this correctly though.

All these truly do exists within the space and sadly, the quantity often floods the board and to some extent affects appreciation of quality but, not overly though. Many users might have it on ignore but, there are really some real activity on there between user which could be rewarding. Even though a few might see it for a gang.

[bitmover]

Please show me a few good posts in gambling board so I will take a look if they are worth merit. I will also try to engage in related discussions.

I usually don't visit to that board , but I believe I should go there more often as I am participating in a casino campaign for some weeks already.

My whole problem with that board is that there are so many megathreads...

[Sexylizzy2813]

Issues like this keep coming up and it’s either people complain about the gambling board lacking merit or sometimes people still criticize the merit system and merit distribution. Everyone will definitely have their likes and dislikes secondly my own way of choosing quality posts will be totally different from someone else choice that’s why most times few merit source can decide to ignore any board, from my observation it’s either most merit source don’t understand how gambling works so it’s difficult meriting any post in gambling discussion with zero experience but, reasons best known to oneself for making any decision so it’s best we respect their different decision.
Here is just one merit application I found concerning the gambling board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464289.0

For those who question the merit system I think they are the type who are not satisfied with how things are being done in the Forum, like when things are not going their way. Imagine someone who lacks merit, the only thing that comes in his or her mind is the merit system is not working just because is not favoring him or her, I have seen a user who complained about the merit system how it isn't working well, the whole complain about the merit system isn't suppose to be, is not easy to run this Forum, we only suggestion and let it be, is left for the ones above us to decide.
Some don't like anything called gambling but that doesn't mean they don't go through those sections I mean the gambling board, from what I understood is that these merit source don't see the gambling board as a place they feel deserve it (merit), not all but some of the merit source. Maybe some of the merit source sees those gambling post as one boring post to read, they find them uninteresting, they either read something from the economy board or Bitcoin discussion. So is their choice to merit the board or not just like you said.

[Rikafip]

My whole problem with that board is that there are so many megathreads...

Main problem of that board are imho not megathreads as they are actually quite natural for those boards, but the fact that so many who don't gamble or even watch sports and are writing there purely because their signture campaign demands it. 

Some quality and organic traffic can still be found there, mostly in pools or organised competitions like for example Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 10000$ rewards and other similar ones.

[BITCOIN4X]

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Main problem of that board are imho not megathreads as they are actually quite natural for those boards, but the fact that so many who don't gamble or even watch sports and are writing there purely because their signture campaign demands it.

I am a football fan and I have spent a lot of time and money watching many matches in various domestic leagues and several other big competitions including the Champions League and Europa League every season. I subscribe to Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and Serie A shows every month and spend at least $50 + 11% tax every season just to enjoy these shows. Of course, this doesn't include the monthly electricity bill and WiFi bill and if added up over a month, it would cost me close to $90. Recently I also subscribed to the Copa America and Euro 2024 package, because I really like football.

So far I don't like sharing there without watching the match and what I write should be what I watched. This is just my habit and I consider it normal because I like football, even though my interest in gambling is not higher than other users. Even if I spend time and money on it, I never know if it's worth it considering that many people consider gambling boards to be boards that are bombarded by spammers.

[Igebotz]

Please show me a few good posts in gambling board so I will take a look if they are worth merit. I will also try to engage in related discussions.

I don't know what kind of sports interests you but if you are looking for where actual gamblers post for passion and not to complete signature post count, you need to be on threads like this;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4479837.0 (limited to only subscribers) moderated by hilariousandco

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432337.0 (Euros) moderated by JollyGood

And many other great discussion threads, but I would advise you stay on a self-moderated or private threads for your own sanity.