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June 04, 2024, 10:54:30 PM
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The counter argument to this premise is that labor is a commodity that is traded and the worth really lies with those who create jobs and work that pays for that labor.   The main difference is the direction and management of the labor towards a useful paying task, with a product in demand at a competitive price etc.    To simply say you are owed something by default as a person doing labor and its exploitative not to match all your costs, that does seem slightly naïve about life's struggles.

We live in a global economy now, that's good and bad and we like the cheap products that can be bought via mass production but we dislike the competition for jobs it might bring.    We cant ignore there any many people in poorer countries who would be happy to work for the wage we find not enough, there is no simple solution but I think skilled work is the most obvious one and something I was told growing up.

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June 04, 2024, 11:29:52 PM
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Hard work alone can't get you anywhere, a miner who works 12 hours in coal mines can't become rich no matter what he does, it doesn't work that way. He is a person who works harder and harsher than even Elon Musk, it is not that he is poor because he is lazy, but because he works hard but not smart, because he doesn't have any other option. You think Elon is rich because he works hard?

I mean of course he might be working very hard, that is not the point but need to remember that we are going to end up with realizing he worked smart as well, and took risks, and build stuff that others did not at the time. This is the thing that will make things better for anyone and I believe that hard work is important but won't be enough just by itself.
Hard work without being determined and strategic in life will still not guarantee a good and comfortable life. We can see a lot of hardworking workers who until now are still stuck with their old job and has never experienced life’s progress. That shows that hard work alone is not the only key to success, but aside from knowledge and skills, one should also learn to be resourceful and wise in taking life’s decision.

If you dream to become rich one day, then you should not only focus on a single job but do some side hustles, and the most important thing is, learn to invest in bitcoin or even in other potentials projects that will give us opportunity to improve one’s life condition.

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June 04, 2024, 11:43:31 PM
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Hard work alone can't get you anywhere, a miner who works 12 hours in coal mines can't become rich no matter what he does, it doesn't work that way. He is a person who works harder and harsher than even Elon Musk, it is not that he is poor because he is lazy, but because he works hard but not smart, because he doesn't have any other option. You think Elon is rich because he works hard?

I mean of course he might be working very hard, that is not the point but need to remember that we are going to end up with realizing he worked smart as well, and took risks, and build stuff that others did not at the time. This is the thing that will make things better for anyone and I believe that hard work is important but won't be enough just by itself.
Hard work without being determined and strategic in life will still not guarantee a good and comfortable life. We can see a lot of hardworking workers who until now are still stuck with their old job and has never experienced life’s progress. That shows that hard work alone is not the only key to success, but aside from knowledge and skills, one should also learn to be resourceful and wise in taking life’s decision.

If you dream to become rich one day, then you should not only focus on a single job but do some side hustles, and the most important thing is, learn to invest in bitcoin or even in other potentials projects that will give us opportunity to improve one’s life condition.

Information most time can be a key to achieve success in life. If hardworking alone is the true way to riches and success, then the palm wine tapper, bricklayers and others that do hard job should be the riches. Alot of people have meet their life fortune with little work and stress by working carefully with the right information.

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June 05, 2024, 04:07:58 AM
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Hard work alone can't get you anywhere, a miner who works 12 hours in coal mines can't become rich no matter what he does, it doesn't work that way. He is a person who works harder and harsher than even Elon Musk, it is not that he is poor because he is lazy, but because he works hard but not smart, because he doesn't have any other option. You think Elon is rich because he works hard?

I mean of course he might be working very hard, that is not the point but need to remember that we are going to end up with realizing he worked smart as well, and took risks, and build stuff that others did not at the time. This is the thing that will make things better for anyone and I believe that hard work is important but won't be enough just by itself.
Hard work without being determined and strategic in life will still not guarantee a good and comfortable life. We can see a lot of hardworking workers who until now are still stuck with their old job and has never experienced life’s progress. That shows that hard work alone is not the only key to success, but aside from knowledge and skills, one should also learn to be resourceful and wise in taking life’s decision.

If you dream to become rich one day, then you should not only focus on a single job but do some side hustles, and the most important thing is, learn to invest in bitcoin or even in other potentials projects that will give us opportunity to improve one’s life condition.
Seeking wealth is currently mandatory for those of us who are still young, but many of us say that wealth will come if we work hard and have the skills to build it, but I see wealth coming to lucky people who have made their choice a decent life.

Many of us have seen people who work at night producing something but not achieving good results, but if we are lucky, whatever we do will bring us success.

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June 05, 2024, 08:52:45 AM
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Happy work must not be repetitive。
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June 05, 2024, 11:29:02 AM
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Around me, I see many such daily wage laborers, rickshaw pullers or agricultural laborers, who remain at the same position from which they started their life even at the end of their age. It's not like they don't work hard.  
It's true they're working hard, but sorry to say this... those jobs you mentioned above mostly don't have any prospect. I mean, what you can expect from someone who work without skill and even they already have working for 5 years, it doesn't make them already have a skill since what they do are jobs without skill in the first place.

Obviously it's hard since you said they work for 12 hours, the choice is they need to looking for a new job from other company that didn't require to work for 12 hours, so they can use few hours to develop themselves.
Hardworking is a necessity for surviving but sometime it doesn't matter how hardworking one can be but the  ability for an individual to work smart, discover his/her talent where necessary and know how to apply it in order to make the best utilization of any little available opportunity. There many people that work for 20hours daily without a tangible wages but smart person that now how to discover opportunities can work for less than 20hours daily and make a better income.

Based on your opinion, I can give an idea that this is realistic regarding some employment conditions in society, especially for those in the lower economic strata. It is true that hard work is a necessity to survive, but hard work alone does not necessarily mean you can get a decent life.
Having skills and knowledge can increase the key to improving one's career and improving one's economic life. Education is an important investment for someone to improve their qualifications and competitiveness in the job market.
Apart from that, the ability to work smart, be able to identify talents, and take advantage of opportunities are factors in achieving success. A person needs to actively look for opportunities within himself to provide room for growth and development in looking for work.

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In these times of severe economic depression, a primary issue is having a regular work that provides enough income to meet the needs of the family. This is not always easy, particularly when thousands of employees are being laid off. If you are unexpectedly unemployed, the task is to take decisive action to locate another work. To work hard to support our family. However, it also urges us to "eat, drink, and look good" as a reward for all of our efforts. If you already have a family, you must maintain a work-life balance. Rest certain that combining your job, relaxation, and family needs will result in significant rewards.
When you say economic depression, it's not only limited to recession which includes lay offing of jobs but there is also inflation in which prices of the goods are rising. Both are main issues of the people. It's important to be versatile so that we can get a job immediately if in case we got laid off. To earn to eat something is already enough for the poor and they don't really care about their looks anymore.

I won't say it's bad but maybe you are right, that we need to squeeze it in, even just a little, so that we can still look presentable and might help us improve our life. Once you are able to do all those stuffs you mentioned there, you don't need to look for anything or a reward anymore because they are already the reward actually.

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June 05, 2024, 02:49:21 PM
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I know it's crazy seeing someone bust their ass day in and day out but staying still. I've been there. However, life isn't fair or linear. Success isn't only about money or business status. Finding meaning and purpose in your work. The goal is to look in the mirror and say, "Damn, I did good."

Consider that Southeast Asian rickshaw driver. He hustles to support his family and takes pleasure in his work. He may not be rich, but he's helping his neighborhood. That's success, man. What about the construction worker creating a school for poor kids? He may not make six figures, but he's changing the world. Seriously badass

Success is subjective. Find out what motivates you to get up in the morning. It's about living a proud life despite society's opinions. If you're stuck, realize that it's not about money or title. Finding your mission and living your truth is key. That's true success

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June 05, 2024, 02:55:38 PM
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A day laborer works for around 12 hours non-stop and in return they get a small amount of money which they spend in various ways. Here my question is why they are not able to change their fate after working so hard. In this case you may tell me that he is a daily wage laborer or he is a rickshaw driver that is why he is not progressing but he is focused on his workplace and he is working there with full focus so why is he not changing his fate. If a rickshaw driver or a day laborer wants to but cannot become a doctor or an engineer, he has to focus on his profession. What do you say about his change of fate?

Hard work is indeed the key to all success, but better than that success is education that supports the job/profession they hold/do,
If you say that a pedicab driver turns into an engineer/doctor, that is impossible because if they have an educational background, they can change their destiny, but on the other hand, if they don't have an appropriate educational background, they can't do that job.

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June 05, 2024, 04:27:58 PM
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you know that sometimes there are people who work hard, even until they are sick, at most they only get a few dollars a day. but there are also people who just have fun and are not serious about working, but they can earn thousands of dollars in a month. that is reality. because no matter how hard you work, if you are destined to live like that, then you will stay like that, no matter how hard you try to change your fate.

people say that someone who works for 12 hours a day should be able to invest their money to be able to get more money, but they don't understand that the reality of life is painful. their salary is small and they have to use that salary to meet their various needs, and to hell with investment, even for tomorrow's food they have to struggle. so it's not easy and life is not as easy as what motivators say.

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Somehow it seems like if you really want to succeed in life, you have got to have a business at the end. No matter what is your daily job, it wouldn’t be enough compared to what you can earn in you go into entrepreneurship. This is a product of capitalism and our world being divided into those who are capitalists and the working class. We all should work hard to own a business sometime.
Evey successful besiness person you see today have huge story to tell, just that it can't be the same but no matter how little it is they most have it, even though you are born in a rich family still you need labour to succeed if not you will end up being poor, your inheritance will just disappear no matter how huge in times of value it will all go if there is no proper management, managing your wealth is also labour.

In this life there is something we the youths of this generation don't understand, we only put enjoyment in front make some imagination that doesn't exist and that is how we continue to wait for our imagination job and we tend to forget our origins, some of us no that their family are really poor but still using their scenes is still very difficult because the don't want to work to earn for themselves rather keep imagining what can't happen for a lazy person.

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I know it's crazy seeing someone bust their ass day in and day out but staying still. I've been there. However, life isn't fair or linear. Success isn't only about money or business status. Finding meaning and purpose in your work. The goal is to look in the mirror and say, "Damn, I did good."

Consider that Southeast Asian rickshaw driver. He hustles to support his family and takes pleasure in his work. He may not be rich, but he's helping his neighborhood. That's success, man. What about the construction worker creating a school for poor kids? He may not make six figures, but he's changing the world. Seriously badass

Success is subjective. Find out what motivates you to get up in the morning. It's about living a proud life despite society's opinions. If you're stuck, realize that it's not about money or title. Finding your mission and living your truth is key. That's true success
Well, I have to agree with this. Success is not all about money and your status in the society, but rather its all about making yourself happy and satisfied despite of the kind of job you have. Life may not offer equal opportunities with those other people living in comfort and luxury, but as long as you did your best and you make a lot of people satisfied with your job performance, I think that way more important than putting yourself at a pressure of having a high paying job.

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you know that sometimes there are people who work hard, even until they are sick, at most they only get a few dollars a day. but there are also people who just have fun and are not serious about working, but they can earn thousands of dollars in a month. that is reality. because no matter how hard you work, if you are destined to live like that, then you will stay like that, no matter how hard you try to change your fate.

people say that someone who works for 12 hours a day should be able to invest their money to be able to get more money, but they don't understand that the reality of life is painful. their salary is small and they have to use that salary to meet their various needs, and to hell with investment, even for tomorrow's food they have to struggle. so it's not easy and life is not as easy as what motivators say.

Even though we have all been destined to go our separate ways to live this life, there are things we can do to change our way of life, never make a desperate decision because trying and praying will change the way of our life and even though we have to overcome many obstacles, I'm sure one day we will experience success.

and we have to know that not everyone can invest because our daily expenses are definitely different, so when the income is limited, of course that person doesn't have a little storage for the future, so we need additional time to work so that there is a way to invest .

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A day laborer works for around 12 hours non-stop and in return they get a small amount of money which they spend in various ways. Here my question is why they are not able to change their fate after working so hard. In this case you may tell me that he is a daily wage laborer or he is a rickshaw driver that is why he is not progressing but he is focused on his workplace and he is working there with full focus so why is he not changing his fate. If a rickshaw driver or a day laborer wants to but cannot become a doctor or an engineer, he has to focus on his profession. What do you say about his change of fate?

The teachers are not wrong neither the reality is also wrong. If you’re not hardworking in that field that you’re destined to be, you’ll not last there forever and you might go into abject poverty that you’ll become something of pity in the society. Fate also has a very big role to play here, your fate might be for you to even become an engineer and you’ll be on that part but without that hardwork, you won’t be able to achieve that and we result you into settling for something else because you don’t have what it takes to be in that top level where others are. When you pray for something and you see the signs of you achieving it, sum it up with hardwork to make the end of it victorious for you.

Well I don’t agree with what teachers tell us. Hard work can get you somewhere yes but it wouldn’t be the only thing you should do in order to succeed. In my opinion you need a little bit of luck still. Hard work plus luck is the deadly combo. That would get you anywhere you want in life and further. Though not all of us gets that lucky.

The truth is that, with one of this combo, you can go ahead to achieve what you prayed for but in most circumstances, you need them both and when you don’t have them both, the journey becomes very difficult and without perseverance, you’ll easily give up on it. You can get to anywhere in life as the luck follows you and with your hardwork and a touch of the luck, the journey becomes easier and faster to reach.


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June 06, 2024, 01:15:22 PM
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you know that sometimes there are people who work hard, even until they are sick, at most they only get a few dollars a day. but there are also people who just have fun and are not serious about working, but they can earn thousands of dollars in a month. that is reality. because no matter how hard you work, if you are destined to live like that, then you will stay like that, no matter how hard you try to change your fate.

people say that someone who works for 12 hours a day should be able to invest their money to be able to get more money, but they don't understand that the reality of life is painful. their salary is small and they have to use that salary to meet their various needs, and to hell with investment, even for tomorrow's food they have to struggle. so it's not easy and life is not as easy as what motivators say.
It is true that what you say is that someone who works hard will not necessarily earn a lot of income and there are even those who work just normally but can earn a lot of income, but this really depends on the knowledge that a person has and it is very unlikely that those who have knowledge about what they are doing will certainly be able to easily complete the work they are doing, but for some people who do not have the knowledge of course they have to struggle to complete their work and the income they get is not the same as those who work with their knowledge.

For some people who have low incomes of course they will never be able to think about investing and the most important thing for them is that being able to meet their needs is already very happy for them and what motivators say about life of course they will only say pleasant results and not say the process how to achieve the success he achieved.

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I don't think that labor alone is going to be the one that's going to give you that happiness, in this day and age, it's not enough that you're focusing on one way of making money, the economy is so bad and the price of goods and services are so high that it's not really that worth it to put in the hard work because the reward isn't enough anymore, there's also the fact that you're not rewarded with more money, you're rewarded with more work, what you need to do is to make sure that you can find ways in making sure that you're building up on passive income.
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June 06, 2024, 05:22:10 PM
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Even though we have all been destined to go our separate ways to live this life, there are things we can do to change our way of life, never make a desperate decision because trying and praying will change the way of our life and even though we have to overcome many obstacles, I'm sure one day we will experience success.
That's true, we cannot fight the destiny that has been determined by the creator but we don't know our fate in the future, we are advised to keep trying and look for opportunities to improve the economy from other jobs. Don't give up on your current condition and keep consistently working hard until you get what you hope for in the future.

I remember the history of several professional sports athletes, they were just ordinary people living in the village area, but thanks to their persistence in studying sports techniques and practicing hard, they finally achieved professional sports athlete careers with fantastic wealth. Conclusion, I just want to say don't be pessimistic about your current condition, keep trying to achieve your dreams without never giving up, the current economic condition is below average but thanks to your hard work you can improve the economy in the future, believe me you also have good opportunities the same for having savings and investments.

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June 06, 2024, 10:40:18 PM
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Hardworking is a necessity for surviving but sometime it doesn't matter how hardworking one can be but the  ability for an individual to work smart, discover his/her talent where necessary and know how to apply it in order to make the best utilization of any little available opportunity. There many people that work for 20hours daily without a tangible wages but smart person that now how to discover opportunities can work for less than 20hours daily and make a better income.

Work smart and not work hard, that's what everyone need today and not dispense energy trying to make all the wealth. Though, there are some work that you don't have choice but to do them according to how they are meant, like a nursing would have to be at their work place all time before they can earn, a grocery store person would need to attend and get paid per hourly but their are some work that you don't need to dispense all the energy to get them done.

There also alternatives to other works than rely on particularly work that will dispense all your energy. I would rather work in grocery shop as attendance and get paid good amount of money than work in a site, I don't want my life to have short expectancy before I die, even though the pay is huge, you can actually do two part time work and get good more pays without stressing much.

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June 07, 2024, 09:01:34 AM
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It is true that what you say is that someone who works hard will not necessarily earn a lot of income and there are even those who work just normally but can earn a lot of income, but this really depends on the knowledge that a person has and it is very unlikely that those who have knowledge about what they are doing will certainly be able to easily complete the work they are doing, but for some people who do not have the knowledge of course they have to struggle to complete their work and the income they get is not the same as those who work with their knowledge.

For some people who have low incomes of course they will never be able to think about investing and the most important thing for them is that being able to meet their needs is already very happy for them and what motivators say about life of course they will only say pleasant results and not say the process how to achieve the success he achieved.
I agree that knowledge (or talent or skill) could mean a lot more, look at sports people for the biggest example, even within their own industry they have people who make so much different money, for multiple reasons. A player could be more talented or more famous and they could make more money than someone who practices more.

Player A could be talented and famous but doesn't work out that much anymore, and Player B could be less talented and unknown but works ten times more than player A, but would make less. And yet, in these sports worlds we hear millions, even tens of millions of euros paid to players as well. This is why we should be aware of how much money one could make, all depends on what skill they have they are offering to the world.

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June 07, 2024, 10:10:37 AM
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no, a human being being born into the world is extraordinary luck. Luck is not just wealth and profession, but health and peace in life are also luck. for me luck is not about what you have or what you achieve, but about how you are grateful. what you have now could be the luck that other people hope for.

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