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June 03, 2024, 12:48:16 PM
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Yeah, this kind of thread has been posted before. I feel bad for that employee who gambled against his team and the company that he works for.

IMHO, if you're part of the company, it's normal to support them all the way. But if it's about betting, the company doesn't have jurisdiction about it unless you're entirely part of the club that plays on the field.

And if I am a supporter, I typically do bet against the team that I support if I think that there's some handicap that will make them lose and it's normal.

As employee he should know what is ideal for him and he should not bet on their enemy teams since that is morally bad to the club you are working on. Much better for this if we don't bet when we know that out team is facing a strong clubs. Then bet only on other team so that we can possibly avoid any conflict which that employee already experienced. To bad for him for losing his job just for that situation.

And same as you or other people said in this thread that I will also bet on other team if I know the team I'm supporting is on disadvantage side and their superstar or important players is injured. This gonna give us huge chance to earn so I don't think there's something wrong for doing this since this is I think normal since majority of us want to earn.

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June 03, 2024, 01:01:10 PM
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Why not, I used to do it. Since I am from a little country when my favorite club from here plays in some international competition I place a bet against them, usually combo with some bet on goals. I have some favorites when it comes to big teams from the big leagues, but none of them is so close to my heart that would stop me from betting against them if I believe they will lose.

In the upcoming Euro 2024, my country plays against England in round 1. I think that a smart bet would be on England... if not I will probably try with some overs, since both teams have games with a lot of goals.


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June 03, 2024, 01:47:16 PM
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Why not, I used to do it. Since I am from a little country when my favorite club from here plays in some international competition I place a bet against them, usually combo with some bet on goals. I have some favorites when it comes to big teams from the big leagues, but none of them is so close to my heart that would stop me from betting against them if I believe they will lose.

In the upcoming Euro 2024, my country plays against England in round 1. I think that a smart bet would be on England... if not I will probably try with some overs, since both teams have games with a lot of goals.


Betting to where we find it high probability of winning is certainly everyone’s right, even if it means betting against the club we are supporting. We should not forget that we bet and risk our funds to win and make more money, not to sympathize to the club we are in. If they lose consistently, that’s because they aren’t lucky to win, or the playing team is not good enough that time. But blaming their losses on someone simply because he is betting against them, I think that’s already irrational. If that’s the case, then they shouldn’t be in sports anyway.

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June 03, 2024, 01:59:19 PM
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Betting is all about choosing the right team that appears to the gambler would be the winner of the game. That's the only way a player would earn money in gambling. Is his club trying to expect some patriotic behavior from their employee even when the team is not performing well enough in the game. I've heard similar story of a player who not only gambled against his club, but worked hard in the pitch to ensure his team lost the game. Which is more bitter to hear. Not sure the player was sanctioned to leave the club. It all requires the understanding of the employer. Some would feel betrayed.

But, it's all a game and the gambler is not to be blamed. Although, every working sector has its routine and rules abiding to it. Maybe the club frowns against such actions. A lot of betrayal instincts could emerge from such news, especially on the thoughts of the club manager. Could he be the reason why the team is losing? Maybe he shares some tactical strategies to their opponents hence earning more money through gambling. Such employees could however, sell sure predictions to buyers on a regular interval. He must have made multiple wins through this. Many more thoughts would run across the mind of his manager, which may have warranted for his expulsion from working with the team.

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June 03, 2024, 02:04:06 PM
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 Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

there is nothing wrong if they bet on the opponent team, unless they have a signed agreement and it states that it is forbidden to take sides or bet on the opponents, but if there is not, I think, the reason to fire him is not valid, imagine? we all want to try things that we know can help us increase our income, sometimes it's tempting to do it but if we think it will cause us to lose a permanent and stable income, maybe it's much better not to do it or make sure that It is not included in the agreement or contract so that we have protection once others complain about us.



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June 03, 2024, 02:05:44 PM
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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?
Gambling is a lot of fun and gambling is more fun when one wins gambling. Because winning is very big. so when one sees that his supported team is playing a match against a strong team and there is a high probability that they will lose, he can place a bet against his supported team in the hope of winning. I do this too although I don't enjoy sportsbet much so I rarely have a record of betting against the team I support.  But yes I did that some of the time.

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June 03, 2024, 02:09:32 PM
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However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?


Why not it is an opportunity to make a profit if the odds are too high and your club has no chance of winning against its opponent your club will not give you money so think about your chances to make additional money for yourself and your family.

Betting against your club because they do not have a chance to win cannot be called betrayal because you can still support your club if it is the favorite or if it has a chance to win or upset the other team.

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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

On his case, betting on the club is not a real support your money doesn’t help the club to win the match or increase the club profit. The bets made is completely independent no string attached to the club so there’s no point on involving it personally to the club.

Regarding betting against the club, if you knew that your club is weak as fuck then why will you waste money on betting with them while you can earn by capitalizing the fact that you knew that your team is weak. There’s no sense to take a losing bet or else he shouldn’t gamble at all. There’s nothing wrong on what he did since he is not colluding with the players to intentionally lose the game. He is just using his insider info about how weak the team to take advantage on his bet. It’s not betrayal because the bet doesn’t affect the team. He is working with the team and that is the real support.

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June 03, 2024, 02:15:03 PM
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The fact that you are a fan or supporter of a club doesn't make you look bad when you bet against your club, knowing fully well that they will lose the match. Maybe another person can do it, but I see it as madness to allow myself to lose my bet for supporting my club and not bet against them. Which means I'm going to lose my own money on the bet? Right? And the question I will ask myself is, "What joy have I derived from losing money in the game I was aware would end in my prediction.?" I am not an employee to any sports organization and can do as I please but if am working with any football team and it is an offense to bet against them, then I will not do it.

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June 03, 2024, 02:16:20 PM
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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

This situation is different and he deserved to be sack and not because he bet against the company to lose but because in most cases# it's against a company policy to bet with their company. Haven't you see clubs suspended their players for using their own clubs to bets? It's against the sport rule to bet with your own club because your bets might influence your efforts in the field, imagine betting that your team will lose in a match and you are playing in that match, there is high tendency that you might not perform very well in that match.

If you check that employee very well, don't be surprised that his part of the team either as a support crew members or something important to the team, there effort also determines how the club would come out in any match, now imagine if the employee hasn't been doing his work perfectly and still betting that the club would lose their match, no club would take that with any form of leniency.

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June 03, 2024, 02:21:38 PM
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I am a gambler does not mean that if I see a sure bet against my club to lose, that I will not take advantage of that bet, because it is fun to see that you win your bet. If it was in the rules of the club that an employee working for a club should not place a bet against the club, then that employee went wrong and deserves to be fired.

However, if it was not in their rules, I don't see it as any problem because he is only gambling and a gambler has the right to bet on whichever club he thinks is cool to put his money on. I always bet against my club if they are the underdog.

This should be the case, there is no harm in placing bets outside of work, if there is no prior agreement, it is human for everyone to want to make a profit in everything, including gambling against the club they support, especially since the club they support always loses.

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June 03, 2024, 02:23:26 PM
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Yeah, this kind of thread has been posted before. I feel bad for that employee who gambled against his team and the company that he works for.

IMHO, if you're part of the company, it's normal to support them all the way. But if it's about betting, the company doesn't have jurisdiction about it unless you're entirely part of the club that plays on the field.

And if I am a supporter, I typically do bet against the team that I support if I think that there's some handicap that will make them lose and it's normal.

As employee he should know what is ideal for him and he should not bet on their enemy teams since that is morally bad to the club you are working on. Much better for this if we don't bet when we know that out team is facing a strong clubs. Then bet only on other team so that we can possibly avoid any conflict which that employee already experienced. To bad for him for losing his job just for that situation.

And same as you or other people said in this thread that I will also bet on other team if I know the team I'm supporting is on disadvantage side and their superstar or important players is injured. This gonna give us huge chance to earn so I don't think there's something wrong for doing this since this is I think normal since majority of us want to earn.
Team sports require loyalty and ethics. You wouldn't bet on the other fighter if you were coaching him, right? That's a serious conflict of interest that disrupts the team. Remember that employees are people with needs and wants. Everyone wants to win; on the field or financially. While we must follow ethical norms, we cannot punish someone for seeking to make a profit, even by betting against the company. Finding balance is key, right? Make sure personal interests don't conflict with work

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June 03, 2024, 02:36:27 PM
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Yeah, this kind of thread has been posted before. I feel bad for that employee who gambled against his team and the company that he works for.

IMHO, if you're part of the company, it's normal to support them all the way. But if it's about betting, the company doesn't have jurisdiction about it unless you're entirely part of the club that plays on the field.

And if I am a supporter, I typically do bet against the team that I support if I think that there's some handicap that will make them lose and it's normal.
The main question is:
Why we are making a bet in the first place? of course to make money on which it would really be just that understandable that if you do see up the chance that the team you are working on would lose then
why you would be forcing up yourself on placing your bets on them? Its your money and they dont have the rights on telling you on whom you would really be betting or where you do place your bet on.
Also, you wont really be that tactful about on the bets you are making into the team.It wont really be that just that ethical if you do ask me and it would be better that  you should be betting in silent
and then winning in silence.  Grin

I dont really believe that you would be betting your own money into something that you do know that it does have that less chance of winning. Its part of our betting on having that
analysis on which you would really be needing up to consider on who do have that more winning chance which its common sense on where we would really be putting our
bets on.

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June 03, 2024, 02:37:37 PM
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Would you bet against the club you support?
We can be fanatical about clubs, players, referees, coaches and so on in the world of sports, especially football, but that doesn't mean that the club we like can be used as a reason to rely on it in gambling or vice versa.

Gambling is still gambling, betting is still betting, the opponent's strength in betting must also be taken into consideration, it concerns money, miscalculations and placing bets can result in money being lost, fanaticism is fine, If the opposing club and players are better than our favorite club and it's hard to lose, why keep the club, instead place a bet against our favorite club, that's a professional and normal thing in the world of gambling.

It's clear that donkeys are inferior to horses, why should you stick to donkeys, opponents, except: donkeys vs. Goats, that's another story, gambling is cruel, so think wisely before betting.

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June 03, 2024, 02:37:55 PM
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There are times I really do especially if the disadvantage perhaps the star players on my favoured team won't be able to play for that game, nothing's personal actually. If you're a fan then you could still be one even if you bet on the opposing team simply because that's another concern whether you are losing your bet or not  Well I do understand that some would still be pushing their biased team regardless of what disadvantage there is simply because it is them being a fan and them showing their passion.

There's a friend of mine as well who will not be betting on his team if the opponent team is at an advantage and it is for me both being a fan and being someone practical and logical. You could really do anything; you could be a straight up fan or a simple gambler who would be in favour of which team is most likely to generate profit.

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June 03, 2024, 02:44:08 PM
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The man is working in a club and betting against the gamble. I am not working as an employee in any club and this makes it different. If there is no rules that I can or can not bet against the club that I am employed, why not bet against them if you analyzed and think that the club will lose. I can do it. But provided if not against the rules. As the man is sacked, I think it is against the club rules for a worker to bet against them.
I personally do it a lot especially when it's vividly clear that my club can't win the game. Infact why it is called gamble? Well I suppose its all about prediction and speculation and when it has to do with your money I believe you can make an exception and forget about the act of been stick that it's your club and you shouldn't bet against them well let me make this even clear, I have a reason to believe that even a club owner sometimes bet against his club when he speculates they will lose in angle to be checked.

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June 03, 2024, 02:50:24 PM
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However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?


Why not it is an opportunity to make a profit if the odds are too high and your club has no chance of winning against its opponent your club will not give you money so think about your chances to make additional money for yourself and your family.

Betting against your club because they do not have a chance to win cannot be called betrayal because you can still support your club if it is the favorite or if it has a chance to win or upset the other team.
I will bet on my club over and over again if I know that the club playing with them is better than them, because it is an advantage for you to win when your club is playing, and who knows if you might not be able to win any game till whenever your clubs is playing. We are humans and it is a norm for that to happen, since profit is involved. Sometimes, it might be that the person in question does not have a club that he is supporting, because I have seen a gambler that is only after betting for any club that he feels will win the match. One should have the freedom to enjoy his gambling activities by betting on his choice.

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June 03, 2024, 02:52:29 PM
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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?
Basically almost everyone who bets wants to make money, not lose, so it is very natural to choose which side makes us sure we will win, but sometimes we need to know that we cannot place bets on everything, for example like the employee you mentioned that and it is natural that he was fired from his job because when he has done that in my opinion it is the same as embarrassing his club in public so that when the club's supporters see this action they will think that the club they love is not worthy of their support.

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Of course, for me the question is silly. If I saw a good opportunity, that for my knowledge I believed that the odds I was given are profitable in the long term if my club loses, of course I would bet, but it is not that I have a great emotional attachment, which I guess is what can happen to anyone who raises the dilemma.

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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

When placing sports bets, we leave feelings aside, even when we are placing bets for fun. This is because when we are facing a football game, we start to analyze the two teams, we look at all the available data and according to the available data, it clearly shows that the team we support will lose, so we should not challenge this logic of analysis that we made of the two teams to bet on the team we support even though we see that the team we support will lose the game, that doesn't make any sense

For example, a person likes Dortmund, so Dortmund will play against Real Madrid. This person analyzes the two teams and sees that the difference in quality between these two teams is very large, the bookmakers are giving an advantage to Real Madrid, also when you look at the performance history of both teams in this competition and you realize Real Madrid has done much better and has a coach who knows this competition very well, so it doesn't make sense for this Dortmund fan to bet on Dortmund's victory, in the case of this op story, it also doesn't make sense for them to fire the guy, because I highly doubt that his employment contract prohibited him from being free to bet on whoever he wanted

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