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June 14, 2024, 10:18:41 PM
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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?
I don't think what the man did was wrong, he was trying to do right thing even if he works for the club. When playing a bet one don't need to be sentimental , it is important for one to be real because if one choose to be sentimental and not be in support of the team that has the the strength to win it means money will be lose in gambling for nothing.  The reason why we play games is to win but when we choose not to support a team that is capable to win it means we have no value for our money.

The man did the right thing by going for the team that can make him to win the bet, if at all we want to support favourite team that is not fit to win then it should not be in gambling.

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June 15, 2024, 06:00:34 PM
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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?
I don't think what the man did was wrong, he was trying to do right thing even if he works for the club. When playing a bet one don't need to be sentimental , it is important for one to be real because if one choose to be sentimental and not be in support of the team that has the the strength to win it means money will be lose in gambling for nothing.  The reason why we play games is to win but when we choose not to support a team that is capable to win it means we have no value for our money.

The man did the right thing by going for the team that can make him to win the bet, if at all we want to support favourite team that is not fit to win then it should not be in gambling.

Yes, of course, and one of the reasons why I don't think that what that person did was wrong is because he did not harm the place where he worked. This means that the action taken by the company where he worked by firing him was an action taken without a reasonable reason. The simple thing that we must understand in this matter is that work is work and gambling is freedom, in the sense that a gambler is free to choose, especially if he gambles with his personal money and not using the company's money where he works.

Another thing as you said that it makes sense to do or support the team that has a higher chance of winning, because after all that is what the majority of gamblers do in any sports betting, because after all it does not make sense to gamble by supporting a team that is weaker in terms of statistics and abilities, meaning that gambling by choosing a team that has a greater potential possibility of losing is just a waste of money, unless luck comes at the right time.

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June 15, 2024, 06:05:57 PM
 #123

Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?
I don't think what the man did was wrong, he was trying to do right thing even if he works for the club. When playing a bet one don't need to be sentimental , it is important for one to be real because if one choose to be sentimental and not be in support of the team that has the the strength to win it means money will be lose in gambling for nothing.  The reason why we play games is to win but when we choose not to support a team that is capable to win it means we have no value for our money.

The man did the right thing by going for the team that can make him to win the bet, if at all we want to support favourite team that is not fit to win then it should not be in gambling.
It would really be that unlikely that you would really be making up some blind bets just because you are really that trying out to support your club. This is why even if you are working
or part of a club but making a bet which you would really be sticking into it then you arent that going for win anymore but rather you are really indeed doing such support on which we know that not
something that will really be considered because we do make up bets to make money and not really just that showing up some support not unless if you are a die hard fan then you wont really be
caring at all but majority of bettors would really be aiming to win up a bet.Therefore they would really be sticking into those things which they do know that has that good winning rate or
odds.

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June 15, 2024, 06:10:21 PM
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It'll be hard to say for sure if I'd be able to do such to my club. I don't think it's something one could imagine when he's not putting on the shoes of the man in the story. Ordinarily without being hysteric I'd do that if my club guarantees to lose the game. I mean who would know he'd lose a game against a worthy opponent and still not bet against his club. Working with the club is quite very different from being a fan. Lots of fans can do it, but employees trust their club and wouldn't think of losing any game. It's more like going into a competition and purposely lose because you staked against yourself. It sounds weird to be sincere.

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June 15, 2024, 06:12:30 PM
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you bet to make a profit not to support your favorite team.
It's happened to me on multiple occasions and I have no remorse.
for example last time in Roland Garros I place bets against Sinner. It is absolutely normal in certain phases of tournaments or individual sets...

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June 15, 2024, 06:47:51 PM
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If I'm working for the team I support normally then I wouldn't dare betting against it. It wouldn't be ethical honestly. I believe in this example they did the right thing by sacking him according to the way I think.

However if I'm not in such condition then it doesn't matter for me to bet on or against my team. I'd just look for having fun by betting on what I feel for that game. I wouldn't be in a situation like I'm betraying my team in this case.  Smiley

Let's say I bet against my team and it won. I'd be sad for my team about the loss of course but I'd still enjoy the profit.  Grin  Let's say they won under the same conditions then I'd be happy with their win even though my bet lost.

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June 15, 2024, 06:52:42 PM
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It'll be hard to say for sure if I'd be able to do such to my club. I don't think it's something one could imagine when he's not putting on the shoes of the man in the story. Ordinarily without being hysteric I'd do that if my club guarantees to lose the game. I mean who would know he'd lose a game against a worthy opponent and still not bet against his club. Working with the club is quite very different from being a fan. Lots of fans can do it, but employees trust their club and wouldn't think of losing any game. It's more like going into a competition and purposely lose because you staked against yourself. It sounds weird to be sincere.

It is against the ethics of most clubs for players or employees bet against their clubs or employers. This is because they can manipulate these games to favor themselves. Many players have been sanctioned by clubs and sports bodies because they engaged in match-fixing or betting against their clubs.

you bet to make a profit not to support your favorite team.
It's happened to me on multiple occasions and I have no remorse.
for example last time in Roland Garros I place bets against Sinner. It is absolutely normal in certain phases of tournaments or individual sets...

Sports fans can be emotional sometimes and it is normal as humans to show loyalty. For as a football bettor will not bet on a team that is not doing well. Gambling is for both fun and profits so it is better to balance out intentions. Betting on my club brings much fun especially if they will but it would be wrong to bet on a team that is not sound because of loyalty or love, this could be a waste of money.

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June 15, 2024, 07:04:31 PM
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Even if I am a supporter of the club when I know that they would lose I will bet on the opposition club and win my bet. Remember here we are talking about gambling to win and not to lose so we have to remove sentiment of supporting a club or not. As you can see I am a strong believer of Super Eagles in Nigeria and whenever they play match I must leave whatever thing I am doing to watch that match yet, I strongly believed that their last game with Benin Republic, they would not win the game so before the game started I supported Benin Republic and bet on them and I won the bet. And I was very much happy because I won the bet. If the club he is supporting wins, the club will not feed him or send money to him so allow him to bet whomever he likes to bet on. Shop manager that sack him doesn't understand anything about gambling. Gambling is like politics, the father would support the opposition party while the mother or the son would support the winning part and that doesn't mean that the father would pursued the mother or the son. Gambling is for side hustling. The manager lack gambling experience.

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June 15, 2024, 07:14:08 PM
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It'll be hard to say for sure if I'd be able to do such to my club. I don't think it's something one could imagine when he's not putting on the shoes of the man in the story. Ordinarily without being hysteric I'd do that if my club guarantees to lose the game. I mean who would know he'd lose a game against a worthy opponent and still not bet against his club. Working with the club is quite very different from being a fan. Lots of fans can do it, but employees trust their club and wouldn't think of losing any game. It's more like going into a competition and purposely lose because you staked against yourself. It sounds weird to be sincere.

It is against the ethics of most clubs for players or employees bet against their clubs or employers. This is because they can manipulate these games to favor themselves. Many players have been sanctioned by clubs and sports bodies because they engaged in match-fixing or betting against their clubs.

Your write-up only defines how deep gambling have impacted negatively to the genuineness of most games like football. Hearing multiple cases of footballers who engage into fixed games derails the fun of football. Indeed it's meant to be a sanctionable rule. They actually make huge amount of money sabotaging their team. It should be a felony. Affecting an entire team and endangering their league success is quite unbearable coming from a well paid employee. A single player can easily impact the game and cause losses to his team. Have been wondering how this employee who doesn't play in the pitch could attribute to his team losing a game.

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June 16, 2024, 12:14:08 PM
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you bet to make a profit not to support your favorite team.
It's happened to me on multiple occasions and I have no remorse.
for example last time in Roland Garros I place bets against Sinner. It is absolutely normal in certain phases of tournaments or individual sets...
Exactly, the point is about profit making and not to throw your fund at the casino because there will be no compensations from the casino if you turn out to loose all of you funds trying to support your team when you know too well that at that point in time, they are playing against a very tough opponent and are not in their best shape enough to get victory over that opponent, any form of fanatic patriotism with your stake at the casino will be a loss and profit to the casino alone and not to the gambler, it will be much better to not even gamble at al than doin such and end up loosing all of your funds in the name of tryin to show support and you may not get compensated at the end of the day from the casino or the team whom you are supporting at the end of the day. All this is included in responsible gambling, not gambling with emotions that arise from the support and love you have got for a team at the expenses of your funds which you have earned by you struggle.

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June 16, 2024, 12:55:15 PM
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I'm willing to place a bet against my team if it means I get to win some money, but it becomes another story when i'm a part of a football club and i'll be betting against one of their matches. I'd rather not risk losing my job over a one-time bet since there's a conflict of interest. In sports betting, you sometimes have to set aside your emotions and learn to take the opposing side except if you're working for a club or team.
Seriously, you are right, gambling isn’t by force, and if I know it’s going to affect my job, then I will rather not gamble instead of losing my job after gambling, or if I will be placing the bet, then it’s going to be hidden, nobody will know about it. But if I am supporting a team and I know the team won’t be winning, then I will rather gamble in support of the other team, which I know they will be winning. If I place a bet against them, it doesn’t affect them in any way, and that doesn’t mean they will lose, if they put in effort, they will end up winning, and I will be disappointed.
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June 16, 2024, 01:52:40 PM
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I'm willing to place a bet against my team if it means I get to win some money, but it becomes another story when i'm a part of a football club and i'll be betting against one of their matches. I'd rather not risk losing my job over a one-time bet since there's a conflict of interest. In sports betting, you sometimes have to set aside your emotions and learn to take the opposing side except if you're working for a club or team.

Also, here's a link to the betting incident in case others are curious about the details.

Yes, it depends on the person and maybe you are one of the people who is able to think that far ahead, in the sense that you prefer to pretend to support the team you work for even though there is a big risk of losing or even though for example you already know that the possibility is small for the team you work for. to win, and yes that's not a problem to do and maybe I would suggest it's better to just use a small budget amount when you already know that the chance of winning is very small.

This means that with this idea, you will be in a safe situation, that is, it will not cause problems at work that could result in you being fired and also if in the end you really lose, you will only lose a small amount of money. That's great but I don't think everyone in that situation will be able to think that far ahead to keep themselves safe

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June 16, 2024, 06:04:02 PM
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It is very necessary for a worker to have a positive attitude towards his job and work place in general. Betting against the organisation you work for sends a negative message about the worker which has prompted his dismissal from the organisation. Anyone who wishes the club he works for well will be optimistic about the success of the club, he will try as much as possible to motivate others. If the worker must bet, it must be done secretly and not openly to prove to everyone that he does not believe in the club. If all the workers bet against the club like the sacked worker, the organisation will record little or no progress. Let those with the negative altitude go so the ones who believe in the club can motivate others.

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June 16, 2024, 06:19:52 PM
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It is very necessary for a worker to have a positive attitude towards his job and work place in general. Betting against the organisation you work for sends a negative message about the worker which has prompted his dismissal from the organisation. Anyone who wishes the club he works for well will be optimistic about the success of the club, he will try as much as possible to motivate others. If the worker must bet, it must be done secretly and not openly to prove to everyone that he does not believe in the club. If all the workers bet against the club like the sacked worker, the organisation will record little or no progress. Let those with the negative altitude go so the ones who believe in the club can motivate others.
however, that is the policy of the owner or authorized manager of the club. There may be an employment contract that states that everyone who works for the club must be loyal and support the club. but maybe the club is not specifically related to betting.
You can be betting using someone else's account or asking friends or family to bet. but the person may make a mistake until the bet is known to others in the club.

I am a fan of several clubs and national teams. and everyone is free to choose without any coercion or intimidation from any party. In determining bets, I have to be realistic about the opportunities. but it might be different when there are work ties. it seems like the situation is quite confusing regarding how that could happen.

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June 16, 2024, 06:38:58 PM
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If the worker must bet, it must be done secretly and not openly to prove to everyone that he does not believe in the club. If all the workers bet against the club like the sacked worker, the organisation will record little or no progress. Let those with the negative altitude go so the ones who believe in the club can motivate others.

There are many online casino that allows you to bet from anywhere with your smartphone and nobody will know what you are doing. Your betting history is also kept private unless it is being requested for because it needs to be used in a crime investigation. You can bet anyway you like and nobody will know, if you have to bet against the club that you support for you to make money why would you not do that when you have a feeling that you can make money from the game that they are playing. Do your club consider your feelings before they decide to win or lose a game, you do not have to consider their feeling of the club either when you want to make money from your bets. I have not bet against my club but if I have a feeling that my team could lose the game then I can bet against them to win some money.

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Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?
I am also a fan of a football club "sorry I don't want to mention the name of the club", every time that club plays against any club, I remain in the position of the club that I like. I don't care about winning or losing with that club, and I don't care about losing money because the club I love lost a match. Maybe the story is almost similar to what I experienced. Of course, as someone who likes to gamble, it's not worth it that way. They must follow every match professionally, not based on their love of a club.

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June 16, 2024, 07:11:33 PM
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I'm willing to place a bet against my team if it means I get to win some money, but it becomes another story when i'm a part of a football club and i'll be betting against one of their matches. I'd rather not risk losing my job over a one-time bet since there's a conflict of interest. In sports betting, you sometimes have to set aside your emotions and learn to take the opposing side except if you're working for a club or team.

Being a normal supporter, without even working for the team I am supporting, like being a Manchester United fans, I will never bet against my team because I don't always want my team to lose to any team. Talking of working for the team I support, it would be better for me not to gamble than to bet against my team. But the truth is that there are many gamblers who do bet against the team they support. Those who always do something like that, I see them as not true supporters of their teams , or they are addicted to gambling, which is reasoning why they may be acting like that way.

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At the moment betting against my club is risky, as my club has a higher win rate than loss and is winning most championships. The club I'm talking about is football, palm trees.

I see no reason not to bet against it too, rooting is one thing, betting is another.

It's the same argument between me opening a long or short on Bitcoin, betting on short doesn't mean I don't support Bitcoin.

If the club wins or loses, I have nothing to gain from him being just a fan, unless I bet for or against the club.

Regarding this employee, did he have a contract with the betting company he worked for not to bet against the team? Couldn't he just as well bet against another crypto-casino platform? Because he can use a username that is not associated with his real identity.

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you bet to make a profit not to support your favorite team.
It's happened to me on multiple occasions and I have no remorse.
for example last time in Roland Garros I place bets against Sinner. It is absolutely normal in certain phases of tournaments or individual sets...

My man, exactly, I think it's insane to NOT bet against your own team.  As I've said in this thread an others, sometimes betting against your own squad(s) can be some of the most intelligent bets you ever make because you likely know your own team better than any other team, so you've got a greater insight to the match, and what may go wrong, or if they just aren't simply good enough to beat their opponent. 

I mostly bet NFL football, and when the Bears suck, which is often, man I'm betting against them ALL the time.

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 #140

When the opportunity to win is on the opposing team, why don't I decide to place a bet on the opposing team, even though it is quite painful because I have to fight against myself. And here I don't not believe in the team I support, but there is a certain amount of money I am betting on, and for me losing to the team I like is no more painful than losing when betting.

And for me, it's quite ridiculous when we bet on a team whose chances of winning are quite small, because it's the same as throwing away money that we have for free. Even though it's a team we like. and I can do that, because I enjoy the betting more than the match itself.

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