How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[Wind_FURY]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

[Rating Place]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Most of the time the player turns out to be wrong and is using the forum to strong arm a casino. I still always start off taking the player's side until the book proves him guilty.

[Coin_trader]

There will be less reputable casino in the forum if the accusations made of players was true. Most of the time players is just using the forum to get sympathy by twisting the proof against the casino so many problematic users keeps using the forum like this whenever they are bust by the casino.

The scam accusation board vs the casino bitcointalk account trust page is the living proof that players accusation most of the time was wrong since there’s still a lot of reputable casino with good trust score even though there’s tons of scam accusation against them.

[joniboini]

Even if the rate is high, it is naive to assume the next accusation is legit anyway since no one really controls who posts the accusations and whatnot. Even if the topics get boosted one way or another because some members commented on it, everyone is always encouraged to verify the claim. This is not exclusive to Bitcointalk anyway, other review platforms are not immune to fake accusations. I believe the trust system is working quite well in this regard. CMIIW.

[bitbollo]

This problem has existed for years and in the past a casino owner even showed me how they were scamming him!

But this not means that all issues are created to ask for money. some really exist!
in the end, you interact with companies that cannot control every aspect in detail and are forced to automate many steps.
Some "confusion" or issue could always arise. Open a topic it should be the last resort since most of the times these issue can be just discussed with casino owner/support.

[Apocollapse]

There are few scenarios:

1. A brand new user accused a brand new casino = people tend to support the user.

2. A brand new user accused a highly reputable casino = people will blame the user and say the user broke the casino's terms.

3. A highly reputable user accused a brand new casino = people will support the user and leave negative tag to the casino.

4. A highly reputable user accused a highly reputable casino = people tend to shut their mouth, even the highly reputable user leave a negative feedback, but there are still few people will support the casino.

 

[Lida93]

Even when an individual takes a matter to the authority both the accuser and the accused are giving room to speak while in the meantime both are viewed to be innocent of the offense until thorough investigation is concluded by the authority after listening from the two sides in addition to independent investigation.

I think Posts of scam accusations against casinos in the forum getting bumped by forum users shouldn't be viewed to be wrong  in the sense that it is the only way the community can know if an accusation made is true or false by the questions that will be thrown out.

If a scam accusation against a casino is not given an attention because it's coming from new newbie account then we might be trampling down on certain truth's without even knowing if we are to go by this notion.

In the end the trust system takes it's course after all facts has been made.

[avp2306]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Hard to make conclusion that someone do that just to increase their post count. So maybe lets erase the thinking that someone create a account just to create some topic for signature campaign spammers to discuss. I guess what we usually see here are those butthurt people cannot accept their mistakes made that's why they lose their account due to abusive actions they commit.

Its normal for people to get curious on that situation especially if they know the casino is reputable or there's something wrong going on the casino they are playing. If we accused those people spamming for post count then I think its unfair for them especially if their intention is pure. Its important to see if their post have sense and all is according to the topic discuss. Although I understand your point regarding on this situation but expect that what you think happen since we are in public forum and anyone could post whatever they like.

Edit: Also I don't think this topic belong in this section since in my opinion this type of discussion belongs to gambling discussion board.

[Oshosondy]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

I do not think your opinion is right about this. Have you been reading the accusation posts? If the person do not provide evidence of what he is saying, they will tell him to provide evidence. There have been many accusations with evidences provided and the gambling site resolved the issue. For those that do not provide evidence, it will be neglected.

[bakasabo]

There are few scenarios:

1. A brand new user accused a brand new casino = people tend to support the user.

2. A brand new user accused a highly reputable casino = people will blame the user and say the user broke the casino's terms.

3. A highly reputable user accused a brand new casino = people will support the user and leave negative tag to the casino.

4. A highly reputable user accused a highly reputable casino = people tend to shut their mouth, even the highly reputable user leave a negative feedback, but there are still few people will support the casino.

 

You can add to your list a situation when a gambler didn’t fully understand the situation he is in, or have some technical issues, or is just impatient, but he immediately run on a forum to create an accusation topic.

I see nothing bad in new user posting an accusation. Not everyone has prepared accounts on different forums, just in case something might go wrong in their life and need to share that with others. Nevertheless I see other problem with accusations - not always gambler give full explanation of a situation, every step they have made. But prefer to give minimum info. Just "I got scammed, amount of money lost, few lines of description".

[Rruchi man]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

The attention that a topic accusing a casino gets is not always in support of the accuser against the casino.

Some of the comments are actually to get more information about the accusation, while others are about the research that other people have personally carried out based on the accusation and their own personal results.

[Upgrade00]

No one has the figures on the probability of accusations that turn out to be true, but off the top of my head I'll say I've seen more true accusations than false ones.

I'll also not call into question the process that scam accusations are handled on the forum, there may be a few users who bump in and give half thought out answers with no research into the situation but the majority of comments treat the cases fairly, asking for evidence from the accuser when necessary and demanding an explanation from the casino support where appropriate.

We get a lot of these cases cause people see this forum as a good adjudicator when they are pushed to the wall by exchanges, I'll want us to maintain that reputation.

[shield132]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Like you, I am on Bitcointalk since 2016. I can tell you from my personal experience that this forum has a big power and it's very good that users come here to open scam accusation threads when something goes wrong. Long story short, when someone has a problem with a casino and they didn't get help from their customer support, they are looking for different forums and networks, like Bitcointalk and Reddit. Bitcointalk ranks very well in Google and people register on this forum just only to open a scam accusation thread, that's why you see so many brand new accounts opening scam accusations. If the user doesn't provide enough proofs that he was scammed, then casino doesn't get tagged but if they provide proofs and casino doesn't react, then casino gets tagged on Bitcointalk. Getting tagged on Bitcointalk means that your trust is shaken and you'll lose many customers.
I don't think anyone ruins any casino's reputation by bumping scam accusations thread, even if the accusation is without proof.

[mak013]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

If i have no problems with casino, i don`t tell about it anywhere. When i lose my money - i begin search any chances to return it. Trying to search any board where i can post such information. Here we can try to solve problem fast - creating scam accusation or posting in the casino thread.
The only thing that we need to add - some proofs in such threads. If the newbie give us several screenshots, that can prove his words - it is ok. If he is telling us that some casino is scam - delete it.

[tranthidung]

A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her

we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Long story short, you can look at it and make your guess. I don't have any summary statistics for you.

[LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum.

I might come back next several minutes to update you with stats.

About your question here on people posting style, you can see it in many thread. They can be a farm, use one account to create a thread and many other accounts will join that thread with many posts which sometimes have nearly same information and links, but they don't mind. Posting and get one or some more posts for weekly post quote, it's enough and their ultimate simple goal.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

Well they cant use their main account cause it was engage on signature campaign which could tremble their feedback with red if they turn out to be wrong on the accusation. Most complainers are newbies and new account means they probably have main account.

Too bad that some commenters are swayed sometimes especially if the accusation doesnt have any basis or clear fact at all to back their rhymes. Worse is the casino being in danger of fud and fear to some potential users.

[acroman08]

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

that's why members usually encourage people who post scam accusations on the forum to post evidence of their claims so people can have more context other than what the accuser posted.

[LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum.

I might come back next several minutes to update you with stats.

though the list doesn't have all the scam accusations that have been posted here in the forum it is still a good example to use as to how true are the scam accusations being posted here.

[Charles-Tim]

Well they cant use their main account cause it was engage on signature campaign which could tremble their feedback with red if they turn out to be wrong on the accusation. Most complainers are newbies and new account means they probably have main account.

If I did not violate a gambling site rules and the gambling site ban my account or not allowing me to withdraw money or coins from my account, I do not have anything to hide on this forum but use my account to create an accusation against the gambling site on this forum with evidence if I have not gotten verified on the gambling site. This will carry weight than to create a new account and use the alt to create the accusation.

But I guess you are not wrong about this but what I see to it is that this people could have gotten verified on the gambling site but they do not want to link it to this forum if they are privacy conscious. Some people may not even just want to link the two accounts together even if they have not gotten verified on the gambling site.

[dimonstration]

Well they cant use their main account cause it was engage on signature campaign which could tremble their feedback with red if they turn out to be wrong on the accusation. Most complainers are newbies and new account means they probably have main account.

If I did not violate a gambling site rules and the gambling site ban my account or not allowing me to withdraw money or coins from my account, I do not have anything to hide on this forum but use my account to create an accusation against the gambling site on this forum with evidence if I have not gotten verified on the gambling site. This will carry weight than to create a new account and use the alt to create the accusation.

As a gambler myself. I never use newbie account whenever I experience problem on a casino even though I’m wearing their signature for the campaign because it’s a sign of being genuine and transparent for casino to answer my concerns.

User with high rank account here will not complain in the forum if they don’t experience something that troubling them. Actually, being transparent on any casino issue should be exercised to protect every users since not every time casino handle all the case properly since there always an isolated case that involved incompetent support.

Actually using your main account is an advantage to get the support of the community easily and also there’s no reputable manager that will kick you out on the campaign by just raising valid concern.

[pinggoki]

Most of the time, the people that I see that you're mentioning whenever a new account is posting accusations are posting that there should be an evidence included in the proof, I guess you're right about everyone of us should do our due diligence of finding out the truth ourselves, hopefully this will be a wake up call to those people (I think that also includes me). For those that want to do the investigation themselves before anything else, make sure that you're safe and that you're not clicking any links provided by strangers, search the website yourself or something like that, Trustpilot is a good benchmark.