How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I guess you need to be pissed-off with a site to make a claim. To properly evaluate the claim I think you would need to consider the nature of it, the detail that is given, the possible proof in the form of talks with customer service. There are lots of people who are unreasonable in their demands, but if they can substantiate the claim it is perfectly likely that it is legit and you want to take it into account.

Looking at proofs, or evidences provided by the accuser is enough to tell or differentiate between a genuine accusation and a flophy one, because when it comes to spoken or written words alone, alot of person can say what ever they want or like, they can lie to the high heavens, and even present it in a manner by which anyone reading would have no atom of doubt in their claim.
But evidences or proofs provided is what and all that is needed to prove if a case is genuine or not.

On several occasions, I personally have come across accusations against casinos on this forum where the accuser will write an epistle of what went wrong and how the casino has refused him or her access to his money, all this without any proof, but immediately the users here pressure the accuser to provide proof to his or her claim, the accuser simply stop coming online or will completely ignore and abandon the accusation, for such cases, I believe we don't need soothsayers to tell that the accuser's accusation is a lie, possibly he or she have lost money on the casino and he or she angry, and out of anger, decided to blackmail the casino with a fake scam accusation.

[Mahanton]

I guess you need to be pissed-off with a site to make a claim. To properly evaluate the claim I think you would need to consider the nature of it, the detail that is given, the possible proof in the form of talks with customer service. There are lots of people who are unreasonable in their demands, but if they can substantiate the claim it is perfectly likely that it is legit and you want to take it into account.

Looking at proofs, or evidences provided by the accuser is enough to tell or differentiate between a genuine accusation and a flophy one, because when it comes to spoken or written words alone, alot of person can say what ever they want or like, they can lie to the high heavens, and even present it in a manner by which anyone reading would have no atom of doubt in their claim.
But evidences or proofs provided is what and all that is needed to prove if a case is genuine or not.

On several occasions, I personally have come across accusations against casinos on this forum where the accuser will write an epistle of what went wrong and how the casino has refused him or her access to his money, all this without any proof, but immediately the users here pressure the accuser to provide proof to his or her claim, the accuser simply stop coming online or will completely ignore and abandon the accusation, for such cases, I believe we don't need soothsayers to tell that the accuser's accusation is a lie, possibly he or she have lost money on the casino and he or she angry, and out of anger, decided to blackmail the casino with a fake scam accusation.

Yes, we've been able to see tons of those trolls who do make out some random accusation as if they were true but ending up on not to be able to show up some solid proofs or evidences basing
up into their claims on which this community wont really be that easily be believing on whatever complaints or issues that been raised up and as long they couldnt be able to provide something legit then they wont
really be getting that attention. It would really be that understandable that competitors could really also make out those false or fake issues into their competition specially on gambling industry on which
we can really be able to say that competition is really that high and something you could really be able to tell that it is really that these companies are trying out their very best to stand out among the rest.

We do know the probabilities could really be there and this is why it would really be that recommended that we should really be trying to verify things first before we would really be able to believe
if there would really be those claims. This is why it would really be just that important to have that kind of legit check and keep posted or updated on what those pending issues that been raised.
Usually they would really be that forgotten and be just simply be laughed on if someone cant be able to provide solid evidences.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

[iv4n]

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

"Regulatory level" as you called it has nothing to do with losing... someone can complain only if he has evidence that the game is rigged, or they can complain if the site refuses to process a withdrawal if they won something. I rarely read ToS, and I never had any serious problems... but I am a fair player, and I don't complain when I lose. I know it just wasn't my day.

I feel like we are going round and round with this discussion. Anyone can open a scam accusation topic, but if someone wants to be taken seriously, they must have some evidence for it. Whatever the accusation is, it has to be backed up by something...

[EarnOnVictor]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

You looped this together IMO as losing is a different context from not reading the terms of service. Anyone who is guilty of not reading the ToS should just be disregarded as the casino will always be vindicated in this regard.

Again, the casinos will not be at fault if the gambler is unwilling to accept the known loss. Gambling has its rules and we must obey them, otherwise, the gambler should avoid it (gambling) and find other things to do. I do not understand the reason why a gambler would not want to agree to a loss when the casino did not cheat in any way, it could only mean that the gambler is just a "child in thought" because every mature gambler should know that gambling is either you lose or you win. I don't know what is difficult for anyone to accept in that but rather have plans to cushion the effect of any losses.

[delfastTions]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

And such a state of resentment and unpleasant feeling that you were deceived naturally arises in any player after a series of losses.  And especially, of course, for inexperienced gamblers.  And this feeling is precisely what forces the offended player to take some action to accuse the casino or individual casino officials or even ordinary support employees.  And if the arguments are not enough, then the player finds an outlet in public space, on social networks or on forums or in interviews with some bloggers.  And thus the accusations, of course, spread among the public and, in general, can still bring trouble to the casino itself. 
And on the other hand, such an offended player also receives some kind of compensation for his offense, this also helps him overcome this unpleasant feeling.

[paxmao]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

And such a state of resentment and unpleasant feeling that you were deceived naturally arises in any player after a series of losses.  And especially, of course, for inexperienced gamblers.  And this feeling is precisely what forces the offended player to take some action to accuse the casino or individual casino officials or even ordinary support employees.  And if the arguments are not enough, then the player finds an outlet in public space, on social networks or on forums or in interviews with some bloggers.  And thus the accusations, of course, spread among the public and, in general, can still bring trouble to the casino itself. 
And on the other hand, such an offended player also receives some kind of compensation for his offense, this also helps him overcome this unpleasant feeling.

It is not always about the ToS, sometimes the ToS are clear enough, but they do not follow standard practice or impose conditions that are not really that great or even acceptable. Reading everything may be too much to ask for a conventional player that is not going to be betting much, but the player may become equally frustrated and put forward a claim if the site annoys the person enough.

[uneng]

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

People blindly believing scam accusations which doesn't bring evidences are fools. At same time, it doesn't mean we shouldn't talk to brand new accounts. After all, if you want to find the truth you have to investigate and make questions. Inevitably, threads will be pumped and attention will be raised over the subject, even if it's a fake accusation. The fact is that people must be conscious enough to undertand a scam thread means nothing if it's not based in evidences. There can be a hundred accusation threads against a service, but there is also the possibility it's a sabotage campaign launched by their competitors to destroy their reputation. So the scam thread itself means nothing.

[Odusko]

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

People blindly believing scam accusations which doesn't bring evidences are fools. At same time, it doesn't mean we shouldn't talk to brand new accounts. After all, if you want to find the truth you have to investigate and make questions. Inevitably, threads will be pumped and attention will be raised over the subject, even if it's a fake accusation. The fact is that people must be conscious enough to undertand a scam thread means nothing if it's not based in evidences. There can be a hundred accusation threads against a service, but there is also the possibility it's a sabotage campaign launched by their competitors to destroy their reputation. So the scam thread itself means nothing.

I used to see that whenever a scam accusations decieved the community it  not the fault of the accuser but that there is no purnishment that is melted out to those that commit such crimes because a fake accusations is no different from a defamation of character so it a purnishable offense and members of the Forum should be aware of that already, and also if an accusations must be accepted it must first of all contain all the necessary information that gives legitimacy to the claims  at first stance not until members demands for evidence before it should be presented, everything should be included when making the accusations thread.

[LUCKMCFLY]

You looped this together IMO as losing is a different context from not reading the terms of service. Anyone who is guilty of not reading the ToS should just be disregarded as the casino will always be vindicated in this regard.

Well many of the accusations of scam come from there, sometimes players who don't read the threads realize that after opening a thread , well, they have no kind of defense, and that causes that many times ignoring reading the threads can cause certain kinds of doubts, when they clarify them in the threads, they make it evident that they shouldn't be there and Above all , due to lack of awareness, these threads should not be opened, but how to avoid this? One way is by making accusations against certain types of mods and seeing if they can be opened or not, but that is something that does not exist, so sometimes they become dramas just for not reading.

[delfastTions]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

And such a state of resentment and unpleasant feeling that you were deceived naturally arises in any player after a series of losses.  And especially, of course, for inexperienced gamblers.  And this feeling is precisely what forces the offended player to take some action to accuse the casino or individual casino officials or even ordinary support employees.  And if the arguments are not enough, then the player finds an outlet in public space, on social networks or on forums or in interviews with some bloggers.  And thus the accusations, of course, spread among the public and, in general, can still bring trouble to the casino itself. 
And on the other hand, such an offended player also receives some kind of compensation for his offense, this also helps him overcome this unpleasant feeling.

It is not always about the ToS, sometimes the ToS are clear enough, but they do not follow standard practice or impose conditions that are not really that great or even acceptable. Reading everything may be too much to ask for a conventional player that is not going to be betting much, but the player may become equally frustrated and put forward a claim if the site annoys the person enough.

Well, it is true, it is true that if a person is not going to play a lot and make big bets, then naturally he almost never reads ToS. Or he reads inattentively and does not understand in detail some points of the rules, which can later bring critical errors. And such a player often figures out for himself how the casino should act in a given situation simply from considerations of common sense. However, this does not always work.
But if the bets are big, then of course you need to read the ToS in detail and in detail. And the fact that the casino allows tricks when interpreting its own rules, then this is, in my opinion, a common practice in complex, confusing situations, which periodically still take place simply in the life of a player.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

And such a state of resentment and unpleasant feeling that you were deceived naturally arises in any player after a series of losses.  And especially, of course, for inexperienced gamblers.  And this feeling is precisely what forces the offended player to take some action to accuse the casino or individual casino officials or even ordinary support employees.  And if the arguments are not enough, then the player finds an outlet in public space, on social networks or on forums or in interviews with some bloggers.  And thus the accusations, of course, spread among the public and, in general, can still bring trouble to the casino itself. 
And on the other hand, such an offended player also receives some kind of compensation for his offense, this also helps him overcome this unpleasant feeling.

It is not always about the ToS, sometimes the ToS are clear enough, but they do not follow standard practice or impose conditions that are not really that great or even acceptable. Reading everything may be too much to ask for a conventional player that is not going to be betting much, but the player may become equally frustrated and put forward a claim if the site annoys the person enough.

Sometimes it is stressful for a normal player that the casino has made a mistake, because the first thing that is asked for as proof is a screenshot, but how to know when an eventuality may occur that is not in favor of the player? We do not know, that can happen fortuitously, so when a person plays and an error like this occurs, the only thing you can do is react by complaining to support, and when support does not help you, this escalates to majors, that implies reading the Tos, reading separately all the bonus requirements, contests, and after that if it does not work put it in Accusations of fraud and When it is as you say that it has nothing to do with the Tos , everything is at the discretion of whoever defends himself best and I come back and say, if it is the player with screenshots.

[TribalBob]

All I can say is since I've created my BTT account on this forum I have seen more false accusations on casinos than true accusations, and most of the time it is from those running new account, I also believe that those people intentionally created a new account for the accusation purpose only, that doesn't mean they are new to the forum.

Most accusations are lies and few are true so far, also if a online casinos is already known to be scammers then every accusations on such casino is true, for example that 1xbit and the other 1x casino, everyone on the forum already know that these online casinos are reaping people off.

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

Except for old accounts that are very familiar with the forum and have a good reputation as well as cases that can be verified, of course it is normal, but new accounts with no evidence are deliberately false accusations.

I think the issue of competitors is not only in casinos, but in various aspects of the economy that are involved in marketing, as well as in gambling, someone must be paid to create negative issues as if they are being harmed by the platform, you are right if a new account makes a statement, don't trust it, it is clear that he deliberately made the reputation of gambling bad

[delfastTions]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

And such a state of resentment and unpleasant feeling that you were deceived naturally arises in any player after a series of losses.  And especially, of course, for inexperienced gamblers.  And this feeling is precisely what forces the offended player to take some action to accuse the casino or individual casino officials or even ordinary support employees.  And if the arguments are not enough, then the player finds an outlet in public space, on social networks or on forums or in interviews with some bloggers.  And thus the accusations, of course, spread among the public and, in general, can still bring trouble to the casino itself. 
And on the other hand, such an offended player also receives some kind of compensation for his offense, this also helps him overcome this unpleasant feeling.

It is not always about the ToS, sometimes the ToS are clear enough, but they do not follow standard practice or impose conditions that are not really that great or even acceptable. Reading everything may be too much to ask for a conventional player that is not going to be betting much, but the player may become equally frustrated and put forward a claim if the site annoys the person enough.

Sometimes it is stressful for a normal player that the casino has made a mistake, because the first thing that is asked for as proof is a screenshot, but how to know when an eventuality may occur that is not in favor of the player? We do not know, that can happen fortuitously, so when a person plays and an error like this occurs, the only thing you can do is react by complaining to support, and when support does not help you, this escalates to majors, that implies reading the Tos, reading separately all the bonus requirements, contests, and after that if it does not work put it in Accusations of fraud and When it is as you say that it has nothing to do with the Tos , everything is at the discretion of whoever defends himself best and I come back and say, if it is the player with screenshots.

This is the exact procedure for the player to follow when he plays and suddenly encounters some unfair action by the casino administration from his point of view, and it always happens that way. However, the investigation of a difficult situation then drags on for a long time and in some cases generally ends with a long correspondence with the support and a list of all sorts of points of the rules, their interpretation, sometimes the laws on consumer protection in force in the casino's jurisdiction, and so on. However, all this is quite traumatic in psychological terms for the player, who believes that the casino has acted unlawfully towards him and that he has been offended. Everything ultimately comes down to a huge loss of time for the player on these claims and correspondence with the support and very rarely ends with some kind of payment to the player of the money he lost (as he himself believes) and sometimes material compensation for moral damage.  All these are extremely rare cases simply because experienced administrators, managers and lawyers of any serious casino understand the intricacies of difficult situations that arise for players when using this casino much better than the player. And naturally it is much easier for them to prove their case to the injured client, including in court.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well, it is true, it is true that if a person is not going to play a lot and make big bets, then naturally he almost never reads ToS. Or he reads inattentively and does not understand in detail some points of the rules, which can later bring critical errors. And such a player often figures out for himself how the casino should act in a given situation simply from considerations of common sense. However, this does not always work.
But if the bets are big, then of course you need to read the ToS in detail and in detail. And the fact that the casino allows tricks when interpreting its own rules, then this is, in my opinion, a common practice in complex, confusing situations, which periodically still take place simply in the life of a player.

I hadn't thought about those things, in the case of a whale player I consider that those people should look for a lawyer who not only reads but analyzes each of the norms and each one of the rules, because when you are going to put money into the casino you have to take those things into account, I rarely bet big amounts, but of course a big amount for me can be too negligible for many, so even so, if you are a small or big player, you still have to read because there have been cases where a player is very lucky and has problems when it comes time to withdraw the money.

[delfastTions]

Well, it is true, it is true that if a person is not going to play a lot and make big bets, then naturally he almost never reads ToS. Or he reads inattentively and does not understand in detail some points of the rules, which can later bring critical errors. And such a player often figures out for himself how the casino should act in a given situation simply from considerations of common sense. However, this does not always work.
But if the bets are big, then of course you need to read the ToS in detail and in detail. And the fact that the casino allows tricks when interpreting its own rules, then this is, in my opinion, a common practice in complex, confusing situations, which periodically still take place simply in the life of a player.

I hadn't thought about those things, in the case of a whale player I consider that those people should look for a lawyer who not only reads but analyzes each of the norms and each one of the rules, because when you are going to put money into the casino you have to take those things into account, I rarely bet big amounts, but of course a big amount for me can be too negligible for many, so even so, if you are a small or big player, you still have to read because there have been cases where a player is very lucky and has problems when it comes time to withdraw the money.

Of course, if a player makes bets that amount to thousands and dollars, then it is probably not enough to simply read the ToS. In this case, it is probably worth involving a lawyer. But only one who has experience working in the gambling industry and knows many of the intricacies of regulation in these matters. But ordinary players still, of course, read and try to understand the nuances of the casino rules themselves, and this usually happens after some critically important event in the casino client's gaming history. And everything is limited to simple correspondence with the casino support, and in most cases the decision is not in favor of the client of this service.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Of course, if a player makes bets that amount to thousands and dollars, then it is probably not enough to simply read the ToS. In this case, it is probably worth involving a lawyer. But only one who has experience working in the gambling industry and knows many of the intricacies of regulation in these matters. But ordinary players still, of course, read and try to understand the nuances of the casino rules themselves, and this usually happens after some critically important event in the casino client's gaming history. And everything is limited to simple correspondence with the casino support, and in most cases the decision is not in favor of the client of this service.

From all this, in order to avoid many problems, people who consider themselves whales, before making any deposit, should contact support and say that they are players who like to bet a lot of money, and that they do not want to have problems when withdrawing, because I think that support will tell you how to do it, what type of KYC you can do, and in the end that is a support that will remain for the player in case of any inconvenience , well at least I would do it that way.

[delfastTions]

Of course, if a player makes bets that amount to thousands and dollars, then it is probably not enough to simply read the ToS. In this case, it is probably worth involving a lawyer. But only one who has experience working in the gambling industry and knows many of the intricacies of regulation in these matters. But ordinary players still, of course, read and try to understand the nuances of the casino rules themselves, and this usually happens after some critically important event in the casino client's gaming history. And everything is limited to simple correspondence with the casino support, and in most cases the decision is not in favor of the client of this service.

From all this, in order to avoid many problems, people who consider themselves whales, before making any deposit, should contact support and say that they are players who like to bet a lot of money, and that they do not want to have problems when withdrawing, because I think that support will tell you how to do it, what type of KYC you can do, and in the end that is a support that will remain for the player in case of any inconvenience , well at least I would do it that way.

Yeah. This is probably the most correct behavior when preparing for a game in a particular casino and in the case when big money is at stake. Then, of course, you can't do without KYC. But you should also not forget about the legislation of the country in which such a player lives. In the case of a large win and when receiving it from the casino, there may also be problems at the local level.

And you should not forget about the millions of players who do not want or even cannot provide their personal data. Moreover, for various reasons, they cannot do this, including for reasons that are not at all criminal. It is probably quite difficult for such players to play for big money. And the desire to play like this naturally arises in some of these players. In this case, such a player is still constantly at risk in that he may not receive the money he won if he is lucky and wins a lot. And the awareness of this quite likely scenario in the process of his game clearly greatly spoils all the pleasure of the game when the stakes are really high, and you play anonymously. But this is reality and you have to reckon with it.

[Russlenat]

From all this, in order to avoid many problems, people who consider themselves whales, before making any deposit, should contact support and say that they are players who like to bet a lot of money, and that they do not want to have problems when withdrawing, because I think that support will tell you how to do it, what type of KYC you can do, and in the end that is a support that will remain for the player in case of any inconvenience , well at least I would do it that way.

This isn’t necessary if you choose a reputable casino to play with. If you consider yourself a "whale," then you should choose a very liquid casino, the one with a good reputation for paying out big winnings in a reasonable time. That solves the problem. In terms of KYC, I think this doesn’t differ for any gambler; regardless of how much you bet, the same requirements should apply to you and everyone else.

[EarnOnVictor]

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

I think that in the social aspect many people have this belief that at some point they must win or win in a casino, and when they lose a lot of money they see it as very bad and therefore they do not like it and they start to make accusations to see if they can find some kind of support, however they do it without foundation at the regulatory level , they are the ones who say yes to the Tos without even Reading a little and at least Realizing what it is about , so it is difficult because it is not how they think, but how it really is.

When we say a thing like this, we should also balance it, fine, some bad/ugly behaviour people can paint casinos badly because of the loss experienced with them, while some will be guilty of the ToS and others may just be sent by a rival company to paint their competitors bad. But it's partial if we limit it to that, and this is why we should always read reviews and allegations insightfully and without partiality. At the same time, there are bad casinos that could either deliberately scam or slightly or significantly cheat their customers to gain more. Do you think such is not happening? This is why we should not entirely blame the complainers but treat each case individually to ascertain the truth. The casino has been guilty in some cases, and so have the customers in some, and in many as well, the two came up with an agreement and the problem was solved.