How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[bangjoe]

All I can say is since I've created my BTT account on this forum I have seen more false accusations on casinos than true accusations, and most of the time it is from those running new account, I also believe that those people intentionally created a new account for the accusation purpose only, that doesn't mean they are new to the forum.

Most accusations are lies and few are true so far, also if a online casinos is already known to be scammers then every accusations on such casino is true, for example that 1xbit and the other 1x casino, everyone on the forum already know that these online casinos are reaping people off.

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

Except for old accounts that are very familiar with the forum and have a good reputation as well as cases that can be verified, of course it is normal, but new accounts with no evidence are deliberately false accusations.

[|MINER|]

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

Except for old accounts that are very familiar with the forum and have a good reputation as well as cases that can be verified, of course it is normal, but new accounts with no evidence are deliberately false accusations.

True. I have seen several scam accusations against the casino's which are fakes. Even if the member are not making their post on top for getting chance on signature campaign I would like to say that those fake accusations also can created by the heaters of that casino or the competitor of that casino ? If I am not wrong.
 

[bangjoe]

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

Except for old accounts that are very familiar with the forum and have a good reputation as well as cases that can be verified, of course it is normal, but new accounts with no evidence are deliberately false accusations.

True. I have seen several scam accusations against the casino's which are fakes. Even if the member are not making their post on top for getting chance on signature campaign I would like to say that those fake accusations also can created by the heaters of that casino or the competitor of that casino ? If I am not wrong.
 

Yes it is possible, but I noticed and so far with the false accusations I never heard or read about it on the forum, maybe I missed it or there is no such case at all.

But certainly in my opinion as long as the accusation has concrete evidence of the problems that occurred with him as a customer to the casino being accused then it is a real right for him to do such a thing, but if there is no clear evidence then it can be said to be a false accusation and the casino owner can sue back for defamation if it is done by a longtime member of the forum.

[Lanatsa]

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

Except for old accounts that are very familiar with the forum and have a good reputation as well as cases that can be verified, of course it is normal, but new accounts with no evidence are deliberately false accusations.

True. I have seen several scam accusations against the casino's which are fakes. Even if the member are not making their post on top for getting chance on signature campaign I would like to say that those fake accusations also can created by the heaters of that casino or the competitor of that casino ? If I am not wrong.
 

Yes it is possible, but I noticed and so far with the false accusations I never heard or read about it on the forum, maybe I missed it or there is no such case at all.

But certainly in my opinion as long as the accusation has concrete evidence of the problems that occurred with him as a customer to the casino being accused then it is a real right for him to do such a thing, but if there is no clear evidence then it can be said to be a false accusation and the casino owner can sue back for defamation if it is done by a longtime member of the forum.

If we do speak about crypto related sites or platforms then it would really be that hard to believe that those things havent been able to touch up this place or this forum itself. If they do then it would really be that hard  to make up some generalization or simply conclusions on which we cant really be able to make ourselves say that those are legit issues or complaints that been thrown on a specific platform or site.
This is why you would really be needing up to have that more in depth research and finding up relevant information in regarding on the said platform. We do really know that its really that easy to taint
someones reputation by throwing some fake feedbacks and issues on which its really that very common since competition is really there. This is why providing it out to be legit complain is really
that need to be handled.

If ever there would really be those complaints having those legit evidence then the community wouldnt really be having no second thoughts on telling that the site involved was indeed a scam or fraud.
On the time or moment, you would directly be that believing on any words you do see online then you are really that putting up yourself into some non clear dealing up on sites
because just because of those fake feedbacks or complaints. Be wary and be that alert with those things because not everything that we can see on net are legit.

[EarnOnVictor]

All I can say is since I've created my BTT account on this forum I have seen more false accusations on casinos than true accusations, and most of the time it is from those running new account, I also believe that those people intentionally created a new account for the accusation purpose only, that doesn't mean they are new to the forum.

Most accusations are lies and few are true so far, also if a online casinos is already known to be scammers then every accusations on such casino is true, for example that 1xbit and the other 1x casino, everyone on the forum already know that these online casinos are reaping people off.

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

It's not new that fake and genuine reviews are on the internet and will always be that way because of the easy accessibility to the review sites/platforms without some verifications and scrutiny.

However, some good review sites use different technological mechanisms to detect these fake reviews to pull them down, but others will always escape their radar, they can't help that, even as some core free-speech review sites look away no matter what you have to say, they will let it stand. I wonder how fake reviews will not creep in. Notwithstanding, in my experience of reading reviews, the majority of reviews are not sponsored but genuine intent of the reviewer/complainer.

[Wind_FURY]

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

Except for old accounts that are very familiar with the forum and have a good reputation as well as cases that can be verified, of course it is normal, but new accounts with no evidence are deliberately false accusations.

True. I have seen several scam accusations against the casino's which are fakes. Even if the member are not making their post on top for getting chance on signature campaign I would like to say that those fake accusations also can created by the heaters of that casino or the competitor of that casino ? If I am not wrong.
 

Yes it is possible, but I noticed and so far with the false accusations I never heard or read about it on the forum, maybe I missed it or there is no such case at all.

But certainly in my opinion as long as the accusation has concrete evidence of the problems that occurred with him as a customer to the casino being accused then it is a real right for him to do such a thing, but if there is no clear evidence then it can be said to be a false accusation and the casino owner can sue back for defamation if it is done by a longtime member of the forum.

The most reliable evidence that a scam accusation is REAL is when the campaign manager closes the signature campaign, and he/she asks his/her users to remove the casino's signatures from the users signature space.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How many of those situations have happened in the forum. I believe it's not that many.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

        -      I get what you mean here. To be honest, there are others who are being accused of a casino using a new account on this forum platform to get the sympathy of others, and there are some who are actually making a topic about the accusation in the casino just to defame the casino and the others, and they are actually telling the truth because there are proofs that are also shown.

But the others don't show any proof, but the purpose of the casino that is mentioned is only damage, and then in the end it is found out that the person complaining is a cheater or something that was done that is not right or good. Something like that is the only thing that was noticed, and I saw

[LUCKMCFLY]

all of people here on this forum or lets say majority isnt really that dumb whenever there would really be accusations and just like on what we do know then we would really be needing up that sufficient
evidences on every claims that been raised up or those issues or accusations because if they couldnt be able to provide something then its clear that they are really just that trying out to ruin
someones reputation and this is something not really that something new anymore,considering that competition is really that high on gambling space.

Yes, There is no doubt about it, therefore when we are in the forum we always focus on seeing the opinions of others, that is why the Ann threads are so important, review the DT1 those who are mostly into games, casinos and give their opinions, for me this is more important because the DT1 members who do it make big bets and test the casinos in all its aspects, focusing on what we need, that is why newbies before entering a casino should take a look at these opinions before playing.

[Pandu Geddon]

Yes it is possible, but I noticed and so far with the false accusations I never heard or read about it on the forum, maybe I missed it or there is no such case at all.

But certainly in my opinion as long as the accusation has concrete evidence of the problems that occurred with him as a customer to the casino being accused then it is a real right for him to do such a thing, but if there is no clear evidence then it can be said to be a false accusation and the casino owner can sue back for defamation if it is done by a longtime member of the forum.

even though the account is new but if it has strong evidence and does not violate casino rules then it will still be considered. no matter the new account or a senior account when filing an accusation against the casino, it must have evidence. if not then they can be ignored

even we can see some accounts that are deliberately created with usernames from casinos with additional bad words. honestly, that is not a good action, although the accuser must be frustrated when experiencing problems losing funds. but such actions are not recommended.

[holydarkness]

All I can say is since I've created my BTT account on this forum I have seen more false accusations on casinos than true accusations, and most of the time it is from those running new account, I also believe that those people intentionally created a new account for the accusation purpose only, that doesn't mean they are new to the forum.

Most accusations are lies and few are true so far, also if a online casinos is already known to be scammers then every accusations on such casino is true, for example that 1xbit and the other 1x casino, everyone on the forum already know that these online casinos are reaping people off.

To address this possibility, not just by the author I quoted above, but also to the discussion that followed below, or perhaps similar discussion that already happened in the past that I didn't read [because I simply didn't follow this thread other than my only post here, as well as when my name being mentioned, since this topic has a huge tendency of having spam content],

Well, yes, there are cases where false accusation were made with sole intention to sling muds and paint certain color. These two, for example, [1] [2], and couple others that made by the same author on the first case, with his main acc., but most that I know and oversee, other than the ones that's marked as "invalid" on my list since they didn't provide adequate supporting evidence and pulled avatar Aang move [which... yes, open to a possibility --though at the same time also not wholly covers them who labelled as such to be with the same intent-- of throwing false accusation] it's usually the case of player didn't read the fine print and triggered a violation of ToS. They simply being clueless instead of having a pure malicious intent.

[bangjoe]

Yes it is possible, but I noticed and so far with the false accusations I never heard or read about it on the forum, maybe I missed it or there is no such case at all.

But certainly in my opinion as long as the accusation has concrete evidence of the problems that occurred with him as a customer to the casino being accused then it is a real right for him to do such a thing, but if there is no clear evidence then it can be said to be a false accusation and the casino owner can sue back for defamation if it is done by a longtime member of the forum.

even though the account is new but if it has strong evidence and does not violate casino rules then it will still be considered. no matter the new account or a senior account when filing an accusation against the casino, it must have evidence...

Of course we have to welcome whoever the person is, and the evidence he brings is very strong is a case that we must investigate to the end, even if he is a new person and not from the forum, but he reports his problems here and provides strong evidence it is something we need to consider, especially the casino that is accused of marketing on this forum, it will be very easy to contact the casino representative in question.

[Odusko]

For a fact, the ratio of legitimate accusations is higher than that of false accusations here on Bitcointalk and that is the reason that this forum becomes one of the place that newbies run to anytime the get scammed by a casino most especially cryptocurrency casinos because they know that, on Bitcointalk, there is high chances of their case getting shorted out easily of ending up entirely proving that the casinos is a 100% scam pit, Bitcointalk members on the other hands, take evidence very serious so as long as the accusations follows the acceptable format and also includes all vital evidence, it will get attention of community members to help in any way possible to recover or exposed the casino.

[delfastTions]

It is most likely true that the accusations on the forum in a significant number can be considered neither real nor false.  We all still must take into account the motives and personality of the forum user who wrote such a post.  If this is a newcomer, then of course there is less trust in his accusations against the casino than if a post with a complaint against the casino were written by an old user who has been using the forum for a long time.  But it doesn’t seem worth simply ignoring messages from new recruits either. 

In short, in each specific case of casino accusations, you should first understand a little, and then draw conclusions.  And this usually means a discussion in a separate topic with clarifying questions and answers.

Well sometimes I have seen some accusations of scams made by many new accounts, the truth is some are just to troll, but others do it with true bases and with a lot of evidence, screenshots, everything that can point out that a casino has done wrong with them, then in this sense we can say that when a topic like this occurs, then you have to see things from the point of view that you have to know the rules, regulations, TOS of the casino, to see if the accusation flows or not, because many TOs break any accusation, for this reason I almost do not check this board, because it requires knowing the TOS very well, it's like being a lawyer.

Yes, most likely an unprepared reader of such posts and messages with claims against the casino, who is not familiar from the point of view of knowledge of jurisprudence and the ToS provisions of any casino, will not be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. 
In general, I don’t really understand the motives of those people who start discussing complaints about casinos in the public space simply because there is a very low probability that someone will write sensible advice.  Maybe such cases do happen, but in my opinion this is rare and the whole discussion usually comes down to sympathy for the victim and cursing at the casino and their ugly support.  Maybe, of course, this is a hidden form of anti-advertising.  But this method is somehow too sophisticated. 
But with the exception, of course, of the well-known mass claims such as 1xbet.

[Wind_FURY]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

        -      I get what you mean here. To be honest, there are others who are being accused of a casino using a new account on this forum platform to get the sympathy of others,

I believe those people might be old BitcoinTalk users who merely want to protect their privacy, which is understandable in my opinion. I'm not saying it's good for the forum though.

and there are some who are actually making a topic about the accusation in the casino just to defame the casino and the others, and they are actually telling the truth because there are proofs that are also shown.

Obviously, those people are merely angry at the casino for losing all of their money. Haha.

But the others don't show any proof, but the purpose of the casino that is mentioned is only damage, and then in the end it is found out that the person complaining is a cheater or something that was done that is not right or good. Something like that is the only thing that was noticed, and I saw

Perhaps those that don't show proof should be ignored? But because of an "unknown reason", the users of this forum like to bump those topics.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ultrloa]

For a fact, the ratio of legitimate accusations is higher than that of false accusations here on Bitcointalk and that is the reason that this forum becomes one of the place that newbies run to anytime the get scammed by a casino most especially cryptocurrency casinos because they know that, on Bitcointalk, there is high chances of their case getting shorted out easily of ending up entirely proving that the casinos is a 100% scam pit, Bitcointalk members on the other hands, take evidence very serious so as long as the accusations follows the acceptable format and also includes all vital evidence, it will get attention of community members to help in any way possible to recover or exposed the casino.

But make sure they are playing on a reputable casino so that they can get justice on what they experience on the casino they are accusing. Since if they play on random casino or other unknown one then they can't get proper solution to their issue and the only thing they could able to do is to warn people regarding on their scam experience happen in the casino they accused then move on after than.

Its important for people to locate a good casino in this forum so that they could possibly avoid those scams by unverified casino and to make sure that everything is fine also possibly they can get rewards or anything they need on those casino.

So choose reputable casino in this forum since for sure they can get more better experience rather than trying those random casino they just find online.

[delfastTions]

For a fact, the ratio of legitimate accusations is higher than that of false accusations here on Bitcointalk and that is the reason that this forum becomes one of the place that newbies run to anytime the get scammed by a casino most especially cryptocurrency casinos because they know that, on Bitcointalk, there is high chances of their case getting shorted out easily of ending up entirely proving that the casinos is a 100% scam pit, Bitcointalk members on the other hands, take evidence very serious so as long as the accusations follows the acceptable format and also includes all vital evidence, it will get attention of community members to help in any way possible to recover or exposed the casino.

But make sure they are playing on a reputable casino so that they can get justice on what they experience on the casino they are accusing. Since if they play on random casino or other unknown one then they can't get proper solution to their issue and the only thing they could able to do is to warn people regarding on their scam experience happen in the casino they accused then move on after than.

Its important for people to locate a good casino in this forum so that they could possibly avoid those scams by unverified casino and to make sure that everything is fine also possibly they can get rewards or anything they need on those casino.

So choose reputable casino in this forum since for sure they can get more better experience rather than trying those random casino they just find online.

In general, a reasonable player is unlikely to use any casino that came up first in his search query in such a way that the bets in this casino would be quite high. 
And of course, playing with large bets is only worth it in a casino that is known and tested by time and by other casino players.  For this reason, it’s probably worth just roughly looking at the statistics of complaints against casinos in various information sources.  And in this way you can determine a casino that is truly suitable for you and to which you most likely will not have significant complaints in the future.  But here you need some experience in reading claims and some internal filter of information, based primarily on common sense.

[Porfirii]

But the others don't show any proof, but the purpose of the casino that is mentioned is only damage, and then in the end it is found out that the person complaining is a cheater or something that was done that is not right or good. Something like that is the only thing that was noticed, and I saw

Perhaps those that don't show proof should be ignored? But because of an "unknown reason", the users of this forum like to bump those topics.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If you mean what I think that you mean, maybe the deletion of these posts or even these threads would serve as a deterrent measure to stop this practice. Even without deleting it, I think that moving the thread to off-topic would work the same way.

Another point of view would be the one who states that Everyone is free to express their opinion as they please, and I'm more prone to respect this laissez-faire, but sometimes the main motivation to bump it is too obvious.

[paxmao]

I guess you need to be pissed-off with a site to make a claim. To properly evaluate the claim I think you would need to consider the nature of it, the detail that is given, the possible proof in the form of talks with customer service. There are lots of people who are unreasonable in their demands, but if they can substantiate the claim it is perfectly likely that it is legit and you want to take it into account.

[freedomgo]

I guess you need to be pissed-off with a site to make a claim. To properly evaluate the claim I think you would need to consider the nature of it, the detail that is given, the possible proof in the form of talks with customer service. There are lots of people who are unreasonable in their demands, but if they can substantiate the claim it is perfectly likely that it is legit and you want to take it into account.

Proof is all we need here; otherwise, those members who are ranting about a casino without any real basis should be disregarded. With the intense competition in the gambling industry, you have to consider the possibility that some might resort to dirty tactics to tarnish the reputation of a certain casino. That's why we need to be very careful and not easily believe when we see a member posting a scam accusation because accusations can be made easily, but proving them is much harder.

[kotajikikox]

Maybe it's some competitors of online casinos who deliberately make negative issues of their rivals in order to make their customers afraid and no longer subscribe to gambling in the place referred to in the allegations, this kind of scheme is very readable, and yes, it is mostly new accounts that do that.

Except for old accounts that are very familiar with the forum and have a good reputation as well as cases that can be verified, of course it is normal, but new accounts with no evidence are deliberately false accusations.

True. I have seen several scam accusations against the casino's which are fakes. Even if the member are not making their post on top for getting chance on signature campaign I would like to say that those fake accusations also can created by the heaters of that casino or the competitor of that casino ? If I am not wrong.
 

obviously some of those accusations are made u p thing to ruin the reputation of a casino , some of them are part of other casino or some are being paid to do such , while many  are legit accusations but they are lack of proof to support their claims .
that is the problem here and casino knows that without complete proofs( as many gamblers don't know how to gather) they become the one who as at fault in the end.