How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[pinggoki]

Most of the time, the people that I see that you're mentioning whenever a new account is posting accusations are posting that there should be an evidence included in the proof, I guess you're right about everyone of us should do our due diligence of finding out the truth ourselves, hopefully this will be a wake up call to those people (I think that also includes me). For those that want to do the investigation themselves before anything else, make sure that you're safe and that you're not clicking any links provided by strangers, search the website yourself or something like that, Trustpilot is a good benchmark.

[Franctoshi]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

One good thing about this is that most of the accused platforms which I have seen being accused have their representatives here in the forum and I don't take side when it comes to this. We've seen in most case where the platforms reps come out and clear the air about the situation. Also I have seen here a situation where a client of a particular gambling platform in his accused thread show off some evidence regarding his claims about a restriction placed on his account after he had won huge some amount of money, to me, what I have always done is suggesting possible means that the op would go about sorting his claims out with the accused site while waiting to hear a response from the platform in talk or if they have a community I'm I joined, then I bring in the questions regarding this issue to the community to try to know if other clients are facing same issue too.

[Pandu Geddon]

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Another situation that may occur from newbie account accusations to casinos on forums is those who do not want to reveal their true identity with their main account on the forum. there may be a fear that they will be ignored in the campaign of the casino.

Allegations made against the casino and made by newbies or higher accounts will not be easily supported by other members. that's because there must be evidence that supports the accusation.
and the most important thing is that the casino should have representatives on forums who are active. So there are those who provide reasons wiser and faster than the case currently being experienced.

[betswift]

We need to add some deadlines for the post and oblige the user to keep an update. As we can see, after the resolution, the user disappears, and we don't understand what's going on in the situation!

Moreover, there are some platforms on the internet, such as AskGamblers, where you can submit a complaint that is monitored by supervisors!

[robelneo]

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

I only post on newbie accusations in the scam section if no one has yet recommended the right format on creating the right format because when you're accusing the casino of a scam the weight of the evidence should be on the accuser.

So I kept an open mind on the accusation until the real story came out and many times we have proven that the casinos are right and newbies were just creating false accusations.

If the newbie accusers failed to provide pieces of evidence and update the accusation then we can conclude that it's a false accusation.

[Haunebu]

This isn't something new op. This sort of stuff exists in various forums because it's one of the best ways of acquiring justice while some others just try to cheat casinos by accusing them unfairly.

Based on what I observed, most casino related accusations within this forum are bogus and trash while the minority are legit though only few of them acquire proper justice at the end.

[Solosanz]

No one can verify it, this is why I think there's should be third party intermediary instead of user vs casino i.e. words vs words only.

For big casino, they don't mind to give extra bucks even they're not wrong.

For small casino, they're in bad situation if people are against them, they almost have no chance to build their reputation back and they don't have much money like big casino. Before enter to compete with the big casino, they already lose.

There were many accusations created just because the casino ask to submit KYC, the gamblers said they did nothing wrong and all good, since the gamblers have decent reputation, the casino don't mind to let them to withdraw without KYC. It's funny how they want to gamble in KYC casino and they blame the casino for asking their KYC.

[CryptSafe]

With respect to this topic raised here, I have noticed that accounts accusing casinos are mostly newbie accounts that got registered on the platform and what baffles me.is the way they are able to locate the accusations board to lay their complaints which means there iia possiblity of that account being farmiliar with the platform and I begin to wonder why they would not come up with their real identity on the platform rather than disguising themselves.

As we all know accusations from newbies or any established member here must have proof or evidence which is fact to be used in dealing with such case and of it is not presented, it is likely that or assumed the accusations are baseless. So any judgement or settlement would depend on fact held at hand which would make the case more reasonable to attend to.

[aioc]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

I agree there have been so many like this and many more coming newbies creating accusations without basis and when investigated they did not give an update they created this thread to bribe the casinos and as a reference on the internet, those who do this should be tagged.

We have to be aware of these fake accusations if the accuser cannot sustain his accusations then its clear that he is using the forum to spread fake accusations against the casino.
They usually do this on casinos that have no announcement here.

[panjul07]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

I agree there have been so many like this and many more coming newbies creating accusations without basis and when investigated they did not give an update they created this thread to bribe the casinos and as a reference on the internet, those who do this should be tagged.

We have to be aware of these fake accusations if the accuser cannot sustain his accusations then its clear that he is using the forum to spread fake accusations against the casino.
They usually do this on casinos that have no announcement here.

It does not matter if the accussations are coming from newbie or higher rank, as long as the accusations are valid and provide enough evidences.
In case the accusation is just full of word without any evidence, I myself will prefer to ignore it as there is no point to respond.
Coming up to the relation of this pattern, I dont think it has nothing to do with bumping post counts.
However it is my own point of view ofc and we are free to have different point of view about such activity in this forum.

[Woodie]

As far as I know, accusations will always be there because generally we have a bad reading culture or maybe should I say very few players actually read Terms and conditions of these casinos which should have kept players off all the troubles..but as always when you are found to be on the wrong side..we rush to use the public sympathy card to try correct our mistake which is unfair on the casino's/bookies!

Btw such mistakes aren't common with regular players...so it could be an honest mistake not knowing the T&C's hence the accusations   

[cabron]

The ones who would reply normally will still be asking for evidence like screenshots though and then keep replying when the accusation isn't proven.
Assuming OP can provide evidence then it's up to the casino representative to respond to the accusation. If it's just something that they could argue and settle then the accusation stops.

But if the point of the accuser is to taint the reputation of the casino, they could just repeat the accusation over and over, sometimes it doesn't need to be true, google indexes the pages still and if the number of accusations goes up, they still have success in making the casino look bad.

Maybe they should also add a negative to the accuser that impulsively creates the accusation thread for this purpose.  Such as Wrongfully accusing a casino!

[Fatunad]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Accusations made without solid proof would really be always end up on being that ignored or considered to be trolling. It isnt first time about those accusations on a certain site which we know that competition on gambling industry on crypto space is really also indeed high, so you could really e expect that there's something having those kind of false accusations just to put up some stain into their reputation which its not something new. If we do speak about on how this community would really be making out such judgement then it would really be always non bias. We do have those veterans and members of this forum could
make out that in depth research on which verifies whether the accusation is true or not. Making new account? Of course it would be a normal step because posting on real account could be resulting
into possible red feedback on the moment that you have been trolling. 

[darewaller]

People making posts in an accusation thread don't make the accusation correct or support it in any way, and those making unsubstantial and useless posts in such threads without contributing anything to the topic are usually ignored by most people. A person needs to be a huge fool to see a thread created by a newbie against a casino with no proper evidence and supported by other newbie accounts and believe that the casino is actually wrong.

Those who believe in such things and support cases where there is no enough proof submitted against the casino being accused are better off the platforms because you can't expect such people to not do the same thing in the future in case they face a problem even if it's not casino's fault.

[Ojima-ojo]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

If the accusations lack merit and proves, it won't take long before forum members will come against the member who started it in the first place, I don't blame Bitcointalk members for picking interest in scam accusations posts or threads because as gamblers we most constantly be on the look out for potential danger and if we know on time we will not make the mistake of falling into the hands of the scam casinos.


Take for example when the case of 1xbit came up here, even though most of the accounts that made reports of scamming against them were mostly newbies we can still deny the fact that the casino was outrightly a scam and from their way of operation we can clearly see such trace's of scam activities, so regardless of the rank of the accounts reporting there are still high chances that scam casinos are guilty almost all the time.

[Dunamisx]

There's nothing we cannot say concerning any gambling casinos on their true identity, if they do well we are going to say it and if they are doing otherwise as well, we are going to talk of them all, this platform is well known for it's reputable standard and we have many people who uses a lot of gambling platforms, so I don't see any reviews left on any gambling platform as accusation, instead as a means for others to see the information left on them.

[Wind_FURY]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Hard to make conclusion that someone do that just to increase their post count. So maybe lets erase the thinking that someone create a account just to create some topic for signature campaign spammers to discuss. I guess what we usually see here are those butthurt people cannot accept their mistakes made that's why they lose their account due to abusive actions they commit.

Its normal for people to get curious on that situation especially if they know the casino is reputable or there's something wrong going on the casino they are playing. If we accused those people spamming for post count then I think its unfair for them especially if their intention is pure. Its important to see if their post have sense and all is according to the topic discuss. Although I understand your point regarding on this situation but expect that what you think happen since we are in public forum and anyone could post whatever they like.

Edit: Also I don't think this topic belong in this section since in my opinion this type of discussion belongs to gambling discussion board.

Please get the actual context of what I'm saying in the topic. I said it's understandable, but we also have to he responsible. I was merely saying that there might be nefarious people who are taking advantage of the fact that their "scam accusations" will get more attention in a BitcoinTalk with signature campaigns, than a BitcoinTalk without signature campaigns. Because if that nefarious person was actually trolling us with a fake accusation, then we would be feeding him/her with the attention that he/she needs and desires to continue trolling, and he/she might also convince some people that he/she was telling the truth because the topic is getting a lot of attention.

[Cantsay]

We need to add some deadlines for the post and oblige the user to keep an update. As we can see, after the resolution, the user disappears, and we don't understand what's going on in the situation!

Moreover, there are some platforms on the internet, such as AskGamblers, where you can submit a complaint that is monitored by supervisors!

We know you have to complete your quota but at least try to understand the what a thread is about before dropping your response - this thread clearly didn’t ask anything concerning those that made threads and never return back to it or those that at some point in time abandon their accusation thread - it only just points at the rate at which users supports accuser/accused if they usually do more digging before they support any side or they just do it just so they would have something to say and fill their weekly quota.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

To be honest with you, I do not find anything here worth discussing, why? Because, every scam accusations posted against casinos posted on this board have always gotten it's required amount of exposure and replies, from my own perspective though.
And matters are always judged rightly where an accusation without any evidence or proof usually don't get any serious attention from users, regardless of what rank the accusation is coming from.

But accusations that is posted with well convincing evidences or proofs are usually given attention where the victim is directed to shift or take the accusation to the scam and accusation board for proper treatment of the case..
I don't know about other users here but I personally have never come across a scam accusations thread on this board that was given undue attention, if I am wrong, then please point me to one of such.

[adultcrypto]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

When users make accusations here, it is normal for there to be a response not only from those wearing signature but even fellow newbies. This is what I notice in most of the threads where there is complaints or accusation and engagements there are not only for signature campaigns as people actually state their experience and honest opinion regarding the platform being accused. If you are suggesting that those wearing signatures should not joined the discussions raised by new accounts, I don't think that is fine by me because I don't understand what that will accomplish.