How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[rodskee]

Rationing those what I have seen from the past towards casinos , there are at least 2/10 legit to false/accusations.

there is one thing that can prove here either the casino or accusing and that is to provide proofs , because each cases needs
to be proven with documents more than just a words against words.

While casino are not bringing  proofs directly here yet they are accepting 3rd party prominent member to hold their proofs
saying that the accusation is just crocks .


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 we can just check this section and look at the sentiments and the
stand of each gamblers here in bitcointalk.

If you are a victim , then make sure that you can stand with it having proofs

[yahoo62278]

There are many who have no business posting in the accusation threads, including myself at times. If you have no clue about how casinos work, aren't informed about a certain casino ToS, have never gambled at that casino or gamble period, are only posting to increase your post count, or are in general a spammer you probably need to avoid the scam accusation section altogether.

There are some informed users who do a good job in that section, holydarkness, Pmalek, some of the managers working with the casino, and probably a few I am forgetting. I have been staying mostly away from that section lately as I have been working less with casino, but occasionally I find a case that I feel comfortable commenting on.

Regarding the number of cases that are true. IMO I feel like most of the accusations from the newbies(and others) are bullshit, and like someone else in this thread said, a strong arm attempt to get a casino to pay. When people with no clue start twisting the facts in a thread or posting without a clue, it does make it hard for those that are trying to help help.

[tranthidung]

Here is the update with all percents calculated from valid accusation cases. The number of valid accusation is only temporary because some will become invalid but let's assume it is true as of writing, based on the thread I got the data from, to run the summary stats.

I don't know definitions for categories like "In-progress", "Inactive" or "Active" so on top of that, I simply look at percents for resolved and unresolved cases.Big companies with good reputation tend to have high resolved percent for valid accusations.

Code:

     +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
     |      brand_name   accusation_t   invalid_p   valid_p   inprogress_p2   inactive_p2   active_p2   unresolved_p2   resolved_p2 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  1. |           Stake             74       56.76     43.24               0            25       46.88            6.25         21.88 |
  2. |     Rollbit_com             68       35.29     64.71           11.36         18.18       13.64               0         56.82 |
  3. |          BCGAME             54       33.33     66.67           27.78         33.33           0               0         38.89 |
  4. |     Sportsbetio             34       35.29     64.71               0         54.55           0               0         45.45 |
  5. |     Fortunejack             21       57.14     42.86           55.56             0           0               0         44.44 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  6. |        Duelbits             17       70.59     29.41               0             0           0               0           100 |
  7. |     Sportbetone             16           0       100           31.25            25        37.5               0          6.25 |
  8. |         Bitstar             16        37.5      62.5             100             0           0               0             0 |
  9. |        CloudBet             13       92.31      7.69               0             0           0               0           100 |
 10. |        bustabit             12         100         0               0             0           0               0             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 11. |       BetcoinAG             11           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 12. |       TrustDice             10           0       100              50             0          30               0            20 |
 13. |            Vave              8           0       100            62.5             0        37.5               0             0 |
 14. |        DexSport              8           0       100            62.5             0        37.5               0             0 |
 15. |        Chips_gg              8          75        25               0             0           0             100             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 16. |         Wolfbet              8          75        25               0             0           0               0           100 |
 17. |       CoinsGame              7           0       100               0             0       42.86           57.14             0 |
 18. |   MaverickGames              7       85.71     14.29               0             0           0               0           100 |
 19. |         Shuffle              7       85.71     14.29               0             0           0               0           100 |
 20. |       WinTomato              7       85.71     14.29               0             0           0               0           100 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 21. |            Ole7              6           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 22. |       Betcrypto              6           0       100           83.33             0           0               0         16.67 |
 23. |          Gamdom              6         100         0               0             0           0               0             0 |
 24. |   Blackjack_fun              6         100         0               0             0           0               0             0 |
 25. |            Joya              5           0       100             100             0           0               0             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 26. |         Sherbet              5           0       100             100             0           0               0             0 |
 27. |     DuckDice_io              5           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 28. |        fairspin              4           0       100               0           100           0               0             0 |
 29. |        Coinplay              4           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 30. |       500casino              4           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 31. |         BitDice              3           0       100               0             0         100               0             0 |
 32. | AnonymousCasino              3           0       100               0             0         100               0             0 |
 33. |  PineapplePoker              2           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 34. |       nftonspin              2           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 35. |          Yasbet              2           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 36. |            8bet              2           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 37. |        Coinzino              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 38. |            WinZ              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 39. |     BitCasinoio              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 40. |            Wild              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 41. |       JacksClub              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 42. |        Metaspin              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 43. |         Leetbit              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
     +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

[Haunebu]

If you are a victim , then make sure that you can stand with it having proofs

This is pretty much common sense, but many still just accuse sites without proof thinking that it's enough while some others accuse sites unfairly in order to try and reclaim their losses somehow.

Have even observed some cheaters accusing scam sites like 1xbit etc by taking advantage of their negative reputation within this forum. Crazy stuff!

[FinneysTrueVision]

Most scam accusations get easily debunked or don’t lead anywhere due to insufficient evidence. There are rare occasions where the casino actually did something wrong but most of the time they will correct their mistake by reversing their restrictions on a player’s account.

I have looked at many accusations in this forum and other places like AskGamblers, and there is not many cases where the casino is straight out trying to scam people. Players who have lost a lot of money sometimes get bitter and want to destroy the casino’s reputation. Sometimes people get desperate when they have problems with KYC or some other technical issue and will create an accusation hoping this will resolve their problems quickly. You can’t just take an accusation at face value, you have to wait until enough relevant details have been provided to reach a logical conclusion.

[davis196]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

How the scammers can take advantage of us in such situation?
What do you suggest? Nobody creating brand new accounts on Bitcointalk and complaining about being scammed by a casino?
Most people, who "bump their post count" by posting on such forum threads actually want to find out the truth. We shouldn't tolerate casinos, that are scamming their users. The newbies having the freedom to complain about being scammed by a casino is a really important part of this forum. And of course, BOTH SIDES SHOULD PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR THEIR CLAIMS.
Here's my proposal. The posts made in the Scam Accusations forum shouldn't be counted by the sig campaign managers. This is how less people will "bump their post count" and your imaginary problem will be solved.

[kotajikikox]

Here is the update with all percents calculated from valid accusation cases. The number of valid accusation is only temporary because some will become invalid but let's assume it is true as of writing, based on the thread I got the data from, to run the summary stats.

I don't know definitions for categories like "In-progress", "Inactive" or "Active" so on top of that, I simply look at percents for resolved and unresolved cases.Big companies with good reputation tend to have high resolved percent for valid accusations.

Code:

     +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
     |      brand_name   accusation_t   invalid_p   valid_p   inprogress_p2   inactive_p2   active_p2   unresolved_p2   resolved_p2 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  1. |           Stake             74       56.76     43.24               0            25       46.88            6.25         21.88 |
  2. |     Rollbit_com             68       35.29     64.71           11.36         18.18       13.64               0         56.82 |
  3. |          BCGAME             54       33.33     66.67           27.78         33.33           0               0         38.89 |
  4. |     Sportsbetio             34       35.29     64.71               0         54.55           0               0         45.45 |
  5. |     Fortunejack             21       57.14     42.86           55.56             0           0               0         44.44 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
  6. |        Duelbits             17       70.59     29.41               0             0           0               0           100 |
  7. |     Sportbetone             16           0       100           31.25            25        37.5               0          6.25 |
  8. |         Bitstar             16        37.5      62.5             100             0           0               0             0 |
  9. |        CloudBet             13       92.31      7.69               0             0           0               0           100 |
 10. |        bustabit             12         100         0               0             0           0               0             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 11. |       BetcoinAG             11           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 12. |       TrustDice             10           0       100              50             0          30               0            20 |
 13. |            Vave              8           0       100            62.5             0        37.5               0             0 |
 14. |        DexSport              8           0       100            62.5             0        37.5               0             0 |
 15. |        Chips_gg              8          75        25               0             0           0             100             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 16. |         Wolfbet              8          75        25               0             0           0               0           100 |
 17. |       CoinsGame              7           0       100               0             0       42.86           57.14             0 |
 18. |   MaverickGames              7       85.71     14.29               0             0           0               0           100 |
 19. |         Shuffle              7       85.71     14.29               0             0           0               0           100 |
 20. |       WinTomato              7       85.71     14.29               0             0           0               0           100 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 21. |            Ole7              6           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 22. |       Betcrypto              6           0       100           83.33             0           0               0         16.67 |
 23. |          Gamdom              6         100         0               0             0           0               0             0 |
 24. |   Blackjack_fun              6         100         0               0             0           0               0             0 |
 25. |            Joya              5           0       100             100             0           0               0             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 26. |         Sherbet              5           0       100             100             0           0               0             0 |
 27. |     DuckDice_io              5           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 28. |        fairspin              4           0       100               0           100           0               0             0 |
 29. |        Coinplay              4           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 30. |       500casino              4           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 31. |         BitDice              3           0       100               0             0         100               0             0 |
 32. | AnonymousCasino              3           0       100               0             0         100               0             0 |
 33. |  PineapplePoker              2           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 34. |       nftonspin              2           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
 35. |          Yasbet              2           0       100               0             0           0             100             0 |
     |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 36. |            8bet              2           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
 37. |        Coinzino              1           0       100               0             0           0               0           100 |
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there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list?  i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list 

Thanks for this update mate , showing that the accusation in many sites are majority is not that valid  .

[Awaklara]

there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list?  i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list 

Thanks for this update mate , showing that the accusation in many sites are majority is not that valid  .

it's a casino that has been proven to be a scam, no need to include it in the list.
Most of the accusations are the fault of users who violate the rules of the casino. they can't withdraw and then make accusations that are their unacknowledged fault.
It's not that they didn't read the rules, but they ignored them and thought it was a loophole that could benefit them. but a casino with a good reputation will not be easily fooled.

[kotajikikox]

there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list?  i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list 

Thanks for this update mate , showing that the accusation in many sites are majority is not that valid  .

it's a casino that has been proven to be a scam, no need to include it in the list.
Most of the accusations are the fault of users who violate the rules of the casino. they can't withdraw and then make accusations that are their unacknowledged fault.
It's not that they didn't read the rules, but they ignored them and thought it was a loophole that could benefit them. but a casino with a good reputation will not be easily fooled.

well that is what I also believe so i put smiley there lol.

1xbit/1xbet is proven to be scam and we cannot argue with that but I believe list is still list and we should  put everything on it to at least warn newbie gambler to not fall from their traps.
and about that loophole ? indeed that is truly the Bait for those players in which many of them becomes a victim .

[Frankolala]

It is good that those people laying accusations on casinos should be given listening ears and advice or options on what to do by forum members here, and I don't see how forum members are using it to meet up with their post quota, because no one can know if he is saying the truth or not. As humans, when we here the word 'scam', you will always feel pity for the victim.

If the topic is not discussed one will not know the truth that the accuser is a lair. I also believe that the way forum members take scam accusations serious on casinos will also help and promote the casino, the more if the truth is know. It will also make the casino to be cautious with their actions not to damage their reputation.

[tranthidung]

there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list?  i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list   .

I don't know how holydarkeness collected data for that thread ^{if you want to know, ask him} but in Scam accusation board, there is a pinned thread to warn people about 1xbet platform.

[WARNING] Beware of 1xBit casino, investors from Telegram, and Youtube scams!

[mak013]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

Most of the time, I have seen only genuine people reply to the scam accusation thread. If someone posts in the thread to increase their post count, then all the campaign managers need to strictly include the rule that posting in the Scam Accusations board won’t count for each week. In this manner, the signature spammers can be reduced, and only the necessary people will reply on the thread. Though if the company is big, it won’t harm them in any manner if more people contribute to the thread where they are accused. But yes, this can be stopped in this manner.

All of them might be genuine, but because of signature campaigns, there's some probability that they are also doing it for post count, WHICH is understandable. I didn't say anything against the posters, I'm merely making a point that the topics made by "newbie accounts" won't get as much bumps if the forum didn't have signature campaigns.

Plus we're not discussing about those topics in Scam Accusations. We're talking about those "newbie accounts" that try to disrupt the discussions in a casino's ANN thread by making scam accusations. How many of them were positively proven to be true?

The casino representative can create self-moderated thread. I don`t like such threads, it is often means that the casino can remove negative feedback, but it can help to remove spam from newbies accounts. And the gambler can create the thread in Scam Accusations board. Or we can ignore all such posts from newbies.

[Mrbluntzy]

It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is  true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond.

[TheUltraElite]

I have noticed a pattern that whenever a new casino comes to the forum, starts their campaign and starts becoming somewhat popular among the forum crowd, a scam accusation comes up and eventually get rebutted by the casino eventually leading to another account posting a scam accusation. This was much more common in the early days of the stake.com signature campaign and previous to that primedice and after that it was roobet.

Still the legitimate scams get solved and cleared nicely, only the ones where the player is at fault, dont get enough traction from the reputed members of the forum.

[Eternad]

It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is  true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond.

Do you visit frequently on scam accusation board? Most of the scam accusation there is against reputable casino which ended up as garbage thread after failure of providing evidence.

Most of the accusations in the forum against casino is hoax since those users is just using the forum to take shield on hiding their ToS violation on the casino. Playing victim is very popular on that board that makes it very hard to support or follow new complaints especially if its involved sudden account freeze since this case usually incorporates violation of ToS once the casino reps clear their name by providing evidence.

[Pmalek]

My personal opinion is that most of the accusations are false and created by cheaters of various kinds. They got caught and had their money confiscated and creating a scam accusation and throwing dirt at the casino is one of their ways to seek revenge. You do occasionally find a genuine user who has a valid case, but most often it's walking through mud and garbage to find a case where a player seems to be right.

At the same time, some casinos are very careful with the information they share publicly. They claim it's for security reasons, and that's often the case. The lack of transparency makes it difficult to catch them in a lie (if they are lying). In situations where the case goes to a mediator, you only see the final result, and have to trust that the mediator did a good job and was honest about their decision.   

[Hamphser]

It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is  true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond.

Do you visit frequently on scam accusation board? Most of the scam accusation there is against reputable casino which ended up as garbage thread after failure of providing evidence.

Most of the accusations in the forum against casino is hoax since those users is just using the forum to take shield on hiding their ToS violation on the casino. Playing victim is very popular on that board that makes it very hard to support or follow new complaints especially if its involved sudden account freeze since this case usually incorporates violation of ToS once the casino reps clear their name by providing evidence.

On the moment to those people who do accuse without having that solid proof then it would really be ending up on a garbage thread since the community wont really be putting up much attention into this kind of thread on which spitting out words without solid evidences. On the moment or time that the community would be asking for some solid proofs then majority of them do ends up on abandoning their thread or
doesnt really mind on answering it at all. For those things or statistics been posted above on this page on which i wasnt aware that all of those accusations been thrown have been tallied out.
Amazing always for @tranthidung 

[Dunamisx]

It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is  true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond.

Some of those accusation reports are true while some were not due to the reason being that the gamblers are the ones at fault from their end, we can also get some trusted ones from the scam accusations and discussion thread on that particular gambling platform, to cap it all, we may also go through tje reviews left on those gambling sites in other to have an idea on their reputation before using them.

[Yatsan]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Most of the time the player turns out to be wrong and is using the forum to strong arm a casino. I still always start off taking the player's side until the book proves him guilty.

I agree, except those which are posting proofs of transactions where problem existed. You could also read from their tone of complaint. Many of those new accounts are having obvious intention to throw bad intention to a gambling platform. I usually disregard these instances especially whenever everything's on words alone.

It is possible that most of those accusations against those casinos is true, even if all is not true, majority of it is  true. Some non reputable casinos might have indeed scammed those guys that create the scam accusation topics while some of those accusations are also a false accusations which was the fault of the gambler and not the casino mentioned. If any reputable casino on this community is falsely accused, they will definitely respond to clear their name or their representative will likely respond.

Some of those accusation reports are true while some were not due to the reason being that the gamblers are the ones at fault from their end, we can also get some trusted ones from the scam accusations and discussion thread on that particular gambling platform, to cap it all, we may also go through tje reviews left on those gambling sites in other to have an idea on their reputation before using them.

I agree, there are instances accusations were true. However regardless of its legitimacy in most instances gambling platforms who are mentioned aren't even paying attention and not addressing the issue which is unfortunate. Same reason why I only engage to a few gambling sites which are responsive with this aspect. You just have to pick the reputable ones 'coz so far I didn't have any problems eversince.

[EarnOnVictor]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

First, the remark that users want to bump up their post count in such threads is based on your assumption and can never be proven to be right in any sense unless an individual tells you their mind. If they like, they will let go of the thread and still have thousands of threads they can post in, that's the extent to which they have choices as far as Bitcointalk is concerned. Posting on such threads is part of what this forum is for whether you are in a campaign or not and I've seen many people who are not in a campaign still posting in such threads, are they also bumping up their post count for a campaign?

However, what I see as the main point here is telling the truth in this regard and I think people are trying their best to do so. Though it may not be what you wanted them to say, nevertheless, that's their opinion and we should respect other's opinions. For me, I am most neutral in such threads, this is unless there is viable proof on either side. But what I do not like is for forum members suddenly backing a casino simply because their representative make a comment even without proof or users saying others are not complaining. Is it a must that cheating affects all?

I try to be fair to all.