How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[freedomgo]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

An accusation, in my opinion, should be acted upon or noticed by the community regardless of the account's status, whether it's a newbie or a Legendary, or a user with positive or negative trust. We have to base our actions on the evidence presented. Without evidence, it should not be entertained or bumped, as it will likely create reputation damage for the casino being accused.

I've noticed as well that there's a lot of newbies recently coming up with scam accusations, but they don't have enough evidence to support their claims. That's why every time I stumble upon a similar thread, I always ask the OP to provide evidence of the accusation so the matter can be discussed.

[Kakmakr]

The reason for this is simple....

These people are using a throwaway Alt account, because they want to try to stay anonymous. If you use a older account, people can social engineer the previous posts you made to find out a lot more about you.... "Newbie" accounts does not provide that post history.

They might also be someone that are shitposting their competitors to discredit them, because trust is a big deal when it comes to casinos. There are also just some people that are trolling the forum for their own silly pleasures, so I do not take these posts very seriously.  

Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda.

 

[Z_MBFM]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Real scammers try to fool smart people with various tricks.  This could also be their strategy.  When they accuse a reputable casino of fraud, many people are too busy to find out the truth about it, they continue to promote their scam site and present their scam as legitimate. I generally don't trust any topic created by a newbie account and always try to avoid their topic. I am often surprised to see topics created by newbies who are betting millions of dollars calling reputable sites scams. they are buying millions of dollars worth of bitcoins. the reason for creating such a topic is to attract the attention of smart users.

[Assface16678]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

Well, it's quite annoying that many new users here in bitcointalk are posting nonsense accusations about other casino platforms, which is not a good thing and not healthy for the community of this forum because there are more negative topics to create. I get that they need to make post counts, but it is not a good idea to make topics or comment on the topic with nonsense statements or affiliations to other platforms. New users should focus on creating sensible topics or comments so that they could receive merits and be known by many users here. If you are good at content making or commenting, then you will definitely boost your account, and for sure, if you are accusing other platforms, it will be hard for you to land in a campaign and post in this section. Now that we know some alligations or accusation is not true and made up then we should not believe in those easily.

[SmartGold01]

To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos.

So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos.

So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims.

To be honest, if I was in a position to judge a case of a user reporting a casino to have scammed him or her, or simply reporting for any other issues wit the casino, I wouldnt judge the case by looking at reporting format since it's not everyone that is familiar with that, most especially the newbies on this forum, they may have a pretty genuie case but lack the knowledge of how to use the proper reporting format.

I think the area of focus should be on the proofs or evidences presented, and how to make sure they are not doctored/photoshopped evidences.

And secondly, another point you made that makes really good sense to me is in the area of such users endeavoring to use their main forum account for such accusations. Until now, I am yet to figure out why any user will want to create a new account simply for the purpose of accusing a casino of scam if they really have a genuine case.
And for casinos hiring some users, paying them to accuse another casino of being a scam, I am still trying to figure out how that is even possible.

[SmartGold01]

To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos.

So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims.

To be honest, if I was in a position to judge a case of a user reporting a casino to have scammed him or her, or simply reporting for any other issues wit the casino, I wouldnt judge the case by looking at reporting format since it's not everyone that is familiar with that, most especially the newbies on this forum, they may have a pretty genuie case but lack the knowledge of how to use the proper reporting format.

I think the area of focus should be on the proofs or evidences presented, and how to make sure they are not doctored/photoshopped evidences.

And secondly, another point you made that makes really good sense to me is in the area of such users endeavoring to use their main forum account for such accusations. Until now, I am yet to figure out why any user will want to create a new account simply for the purpose of accusing a casino of scam if they really have a genuine case.
And for casinos hiring some users, paying them to accuse another casino of being a scam, I am still trying to figure out how that is even possible.

Well you can't just have any final say because I believe there are desperate fellow and competitors who are eagerly to soil the name of other casinos since they noticed the other casino are really making good names maybe are waxing more than they do.

For about user presenting a fake evidence, well I must say that it's not possible to present a Photoshop evidence or cooked details here because always those accused site always have their representative or team technical support that handle such operation and if there are no such report in their system they would quickly come here to attest that such user is a liar, so about that aspect I don't get bother for any case.

About people not using their main account instead of having newly created account, well it's very simple because they knows how important their account is and for that they would always want to use alt to lodge such complaint reason being there may be some reputable member in that casino whom they may not want them to tag their account knowing too well that having a grown up account is always difficult to have coupled with the difficulty to rank up, so to me no reason user would want to showcase their main account for such silly games.

[mak013]

The reason for this is simple....

These people are using a throwaway Alt account, because they want to try to stay anonymous. If you use a older account, people can social engineer the previous posts you made to find out a lot more about you.... "Newbie" accounts does not provide that post history.

They might also be someone that are shitposting their competitors to discredit them, because trust is a big deal when it comes to casinos. There are also just some people that are trolling the forum for their own silly pleasures, so I do not take these posts very seriously.  

Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda.

I think mostly is about losers. Or some gamblers, who doesn`t read the ToS and rules attentively. For such kind of gamblers they always right and someone else cheats them. Mostly it is casino, that`s why they post in such a way. After several answers the main part of them leave this board.

[paxmao]

Currently, there's a pattern. A person makes a new account in BitcoinTalk, makes a topic/accuses a casino of scamming him/her, and because some users need to bump up their post count for their signature campaigns, the topic gets more attention than it should be during a normal situation.

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

I am not sure anyone would need to go to that posting accusations just to increase a post count to be honest. It is much simpler to open a thread about a topic that is actually interesting for the community - pretty much the same effort. I think that there might be some people abusing the system, but it is more about the number of people who have a similar claim that matters.

[pawanjain]

I don't think anybody would be believing a brand new or a newbie account for their accusations unless and until they have any solid evidence against the casino site.
We have already seen so many accusations with false claims which is a big reason not to trust newbie accounts.
The thread might be getting a lot of responses but that is something which we cannot control much in a public forum like bitcointalk.

[holydarkness]

there are names that still popular and has active advertising here in forum but it seems that I cannot see the very famous Gambling site 1xbit/1xbet in the list?  i believe they will fall into 100% unresolved and surely will be on top of the list   .

Why 1xbit is not on the list, tranthidung actually brushed about that topic through a reply on that thread of list of mine, my explanation was,

By replying in Lock the 1xBit thread I believe your topic has a list of scam accusations against 1xBit.

Unfortunately, I am wrong but did you have intention to not list those scam accusations against 1xBit like because you don't want to indirectly shill their brand name on search engines?

Here is a list from logfiles and it was created in 2021, not updated recently.
[List] 1xbit scam accusations. Scamming gamblers since 2017

It's actually more to because the list is limited to cases from 2023 and 1xbit doesn't have case since then... not in a good way, they didn't have a complaint on this forum because everybody know it's a bad casino. Another reason is because their reputation is already known [thus, an idea of how reputable 1xbit is by reading this thread no longer needed] and that their representative is no longer here, while this thread is for those who still have representative, as well as to help those representatives to know what active cases against them are still active.

But that is possibly a fatal oversight from me. I will be adding 1xbit entry with a list that logfiles and you created, to cover the complaints globally, with "multiple" as the complainants, and the warning sign [like those casinos above with very poor reputation], the format will be like below. What do you think?

1xBit - 1xbit_official [!!!]

|	Thread	|	Complainant	|	Disputed Amount	|	Status
|	[List] 1xbit scam accusations.	|	Collective User	|	N/A	|	unresolved
|		|		|		|

I guess if needed, I can break protocol by including a list of case before 2023, and put 1xbit on the list with format as above.

p.s.: that three exclamation mark in red is a sign that the casino is problematic

I don't know how holydarkeness collected data for that thread ^{if you want to know, ask him} but in Scam accusation board, there is a pinned thread to warn people about 1xbet platform.

[WARNING] Beware of 1xBit casino, investors from Telegram, and Youtube scams!

I do that by reading every single thread on the board, one by one, and every page on them, to get a better understanding what status they were at [resolved, invalid, in progress, inactive]. Some posts are read thoroughly as they contain important details, some are skimmed through as they're irrelevant.

I guess it helps a lot that I oversee most of the case, thus rather familiar with them and I only need a quick refresher course to get reacquainted with the situation surrounding the case. Still took me more than a week, if I'm not mistaken, to completely compile them, though.

[Ojima-ojo]

To me what I usually say is that whenever such people create an account and come to accused a casino or gambling site I will always wants them to come up with their real account to accused them. I know there are lots of haters and competitors between casino operators which could led to some of them hiring people to accused the opposite casino to soil their reputation. Even though they came up with prove it could be an intentional acts to enable them tarnished the good image of other casinos.

So, what comes up immediately whenever you receive such topic or text, at first you don't need to just rush and pass your judgement toward the casino against the complaint neither would you pass judgement against complaint to the casino, you must check if the said poster uses the correct scam reporting format and has some provable evidence that authenticates the claims.

In this forum, I don't think members have become that gullible to trust a newbie account for accusing a casino for scam, this is not how we deal with scam accusations here and at the same it we always request for picture evidence before passing any judgement and regardless of the rank of the account that make the accusations of there is evidence or not that is what make up for our judgement.

[khaled0111]

When it comes to accusation threads, we should not focus on the forum rank of the OP, it's irrelevant. What really matter and the only thing we should take into consideration is the pieces of evidence they provide.
That being said, I have to admit that most accusations raised by newbies are fake. But it's usually not that hard to figure out whether the accuser's story is fake or genuine

[dansus021]

Yes if I look at the Scam accusations the pattern goes the way like you said earlier there is a brand new account that said that A site is a scam or B site has a withdrawal problem, but I believe those new accounts are just accounts that has a connection with other accounts here on bitcointalk, I mean he has a main account here but he doesn't wanna ruin his reputation or something like that, and he makes a brand new account so it's safe.

Other than that if the user accusations are really true some online casino had their admin account here so they know they know the problem and want to fixed as soon as possible so their site is not fall into redflag in my opinion.

[Hamphser]

Yes if I look at the Scam accusations the pattern goes the way like you said earlier there is a brand new account that said that A site is a scam or B site has a withdrawal problem, but I believe those new accounts are just accounts that has a connection with other accounts here on bitcointalk, I mean he has a main account here but he doesn't wanna ruin his reputation or something like that, and he makes a brand new account so it's safe.

Other than that if the user accusations are really true some online casino had their admin account here so they know they know the problem and want to fixed as soon as possible so their site is not fall into redflag in my opinion.

Old forum account user > Created new account for complaints > True/Lie
New account (Competitor) > Fake Issues

These are the only possible things on which i do think off on why we do see several accusations but still ending up on not to provide any solid proofs. Just like been said
above that this community isnt someone that you could really make them believe directly on which if there would really be no solid proofs then it would be just ignored.
Probabilities of those issues been raised to be true? There's no specific % on this one since its been not tallied. 

[Findingnemo]

One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it.

But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money.

I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what.

[AmoreJaz]

One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it.

But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money.

I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what.

Maybe not all of them, but let us say, majority of these players have some kind of violation towards the casino, hence, getting into trouble. But there are also few valid complaints. You can check the snapshots presented or evidences of the user accusing the casino. In most cases, you will already see who's fault it is. And the advantage of posting here in this forum is that if the casino or bookie has active thread, they will surely look into this accusation and yes, they will resolve it if they are indeed at fault.

But if there is no thread nor a representative, don't expect that it will be resolve even if some of the members will try to help you out in the situation. Also, if it is a newbie creating such thread, just give him the benefit of the doubt. Some players are looking at how to resolve their issues and some found its way to this forum in looking for answers, hence, creating a new account. We can easily see if the user is being dishonest with his intentions by how he narrated his story and the evidences he provided.

[peter0425]

OK, it's understandable that users need to bump up their post count, but we should also be responsible to find the truth, and merely not believing an accusation from a person who literally made a brand new account, nor discussing it with the person like something wrong actually happened. Because actual scammers themselves will take advantage of us.

That’s one of the “disadvantages” if you will of a community driven platform. Misinformation is likely to happen and if you are not smart enough to catch up on this, you will fall victim to such scams.

We have moderators anyway to try and monitor the discussions that are happening on their board without disallowing actual discussion to happen.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

One of the things I learned being in the forum for years is when someone accuses a casino for whatever reasons I am sure the mistake is on the user end, they forget to read the ToS and now got frustrated if their bet become voided or cancelled or they even lose their account with funds in it.

But there are also times that casinos made mistakes and tried to resolve it to maintain reputation and some casino bombarded by updating terms after the accusations just to avoid paying money.

I am sure theymos himself made it clear that if user wants to post something via new account which is completely acceptable no matter what.

Nah, I don't think so.
I have been in the situation when sites accused me of multi accounting for example and it just wasn't true. Their detection systems are not flawless, they also make mistakes.

Best example is nitrobetting. I had an account with nitrogen sports in the past and when they closed/rebranded they just migrated all accounts to nitrobetting. I didn't even know about that because I stopped playing there.
One day I suddenly get an email from nb that my account is blocked and I should explain my "connection to user 12345", I had a good laugh.
So I didn't even know I had an account with nitrobetting, I don't have a password, never logged in once, no history, no deposits/withdrawals but they accuse me of multiaccounting, hilarious.
Just shows how ridiculous sites can be when they are accusing players over the biggest nonsense.

I just sent them a reply to fk off and never contact me again. 

[CODE200]

The reason for this is simple....

These people are using a throwaway Alt account, because they want to try to stay anonymous. If you use a older account, people can social engineer the previous posts you made to find out a lot more about you.... "Newbie" accounts does not provide that post history.

They might also be someone that are shitposting their competitors to discredit them, because trust is a big deal when it comes to casinos. There are also just some people that are trolling the forum for their own silly pleasures, so I do not take these posts very seriously.  

Also, let's not forget about the butthurt gamblers out there that lost a lot of money gambling and then trying to lash out against the casino to feed their own agenda.

But there's a problem with that argument, if a competitor can throw trash to tarnish the name of their competitor's casino so they can lower their sales and clients playing there and to make sure that they will go to their website, the opposite or the defense can be done to protect them too, take for example Casino A tries to bash Casino B that they require KYC or that their games there are so rigged and they don't have any bonuses through the help of an alt account that can't be traced back to them, at first glance that could be the end for Casino B but they Casino B can just always come out and challenge those claims and prove that whatever this alt account is saying, they can easily debunk it. My point here is that it doesn't matter what happens in that scenario, if the casino can debunk the negative claims that are being thrown at them, they will probably be fine. Regarding the butthurt gamblers, I guess there's no solution to them besides giving them some bonus spins that doesn't win them anything big so they shut up about it.