How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[Pandu Geddon]

What I mean is that if this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0 format is followed by the accusers then there will be no baseless accusations because the evidences are there for everyone to see and if you really want people to believe your accusation story then you have to add the screenshot of the issues. In the scam accusation board, evidence of screenshot speaks louder than theory or ordinary text. And Even though those instructions are not the rules since they are needed in the accusation then he has to follow up. And through there people will tell him what to do. And I also know that most of the newbies threads that are there are alts to establish members. Because someone that has not used this forum can't just come here and create accusation thread.

Yes, the format of the allegation report has also been pinned. although it is not a rule to use that format when making scam accusations, if it was applied by all accusers, it would be better.
but even if you don't use this format, there will always be members who care and direct the accuser to use the format or show additional evidence until a representative from the casino responds.

Maybe you are right regarding the newbie account that made the accusation. but it could be that they are beginners who are having problems with casinos and end up panicking looking for information and then finding forums.

[piebeyb]

The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions.

Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.

Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum.

[Hamphser]

The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions.

Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.

Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum.

Yes, but most likely those newbie accounts are indeed being created whether they would really be hiding themselves and that thrown out with baseless accusations or simply we do have
that several ways and possibilities that they could give out someones reputation to become shit not unless if those issues raised are legit ones then it would be something needing up that
solid evidence. Just like on what most people saying on here that this community itself would really be that soo good when it comes on dealing up with those accusations whether its really that real or not.
It would really be that understandable that solid evidences would really be needed up for you to provide on the moment that you would be raising up some issues because if you dont
then you would really be just definitely be getting ignored.

[Taskford]

The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions.

Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.

Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum.

Yes, but most likely those newbie accounts are indeed being created whether they would really be hiding themselves and that thrown out with baseless accusations or simply we do have
that several ways and possibilities that they could give out someones reputation to become shit not unless if those issues raised are legit ones then it would be something needing up that
solid evidence. Just like on what most people saying on here that this community itself would really be that soo good when it comes on dealing up with those accusations whether its really that real or not.
It would really be that understandable that solid evidences would really be needed up for you to provide on the moment that you would be raising up some issues because if you dont
then you would really be just definitely be getting ignored.

Its easy to ignore them since we could figure out immediately if there accusation or argument is true. If they could able to present a valid proof then people should entertain them and help them to raise their issue to the casino by posting on their Ann thread question why the casino didn't settle or help the guy on their issues. But if they can't present anything and just throw baseless allegation then automatically we could easily point out the they are just a troll and want to create some commotion so people will get confuse on the reputation of the casino. Also this action they made will not succeed since people could turn down immediately those people who post nonsense accusations.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

What I mean is that if this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0 format is followed by the accusers then there will be no baseless accusations because the evidences are there for everyone to see and if you really want people to believe your accusation story then you have to add the screenshot of the issues. In the scam accusation board, evidence of screenshot speaks louder than theory or ordinary text. And Even though those instructions are not the rules since they are needed in the accusation then he has to follow up. And through there people will tell him what to do. And I also know that most of the newbies threads that are there are alts to establish members. Because someone that has not used this forum can't just come here and create accusation thread.

Maybe you are right regarding the newbie account that made the accusation. but it could be that they are beginners who are having problems with casinos and end up panicking looking for information and then finding forums.

This actually was one of the scenarios or possibilities I pointed out in my previous comment on this thread, and let me say that it's not actually a possibility but a fact, since I've personally encountered some new users on this forum who started their journey here while searching for a solution to their problem, not basically about scam but on several other issues as well.

A good example is my very self, I discovered this forum way back 2016 when I was on Google searching about what bitcoin was, how to earn free bitcoin and so on, it was in the process this I came across this forum in one of the search results, I clicked and later on registered here.

Same applies to some gamblers who have been scammed by one of those unknown casinos, in their quest to find help, most begin searching on Google, and from there, they discover this forum as a place they can freely post about their problem, even though most of them lack understanding that there is no way users on this forum can help them when the casino in question does not have a representative here.

[EarnOnVictor]

Because I don't really understand how they would make money by simply hurting casino reputations. You really think some competitors could do that in order to try to get more customers?

There are a lot of bad and ugly things happening these days, people are just crazy and companies could be very desperate to the point that they will indirectly attack their competitors. This is not just happening but yes, it is increasing these days. I am so sure of this because of a reviewing site I follow revealing some, where the site doesn't take any review lightly, they will make sure they do their due diligent research to be sure that it is from who it says it's from to a reasonable extent. By that, they've caught enough of rival companies using their representative to attack others by leaving bad reviews about that.

They would open a new username like any other forums but the website would detect that the review came from a certain office against a rival company. At times too, it will be a good review by the same company about itself, so trusting reviews entirely is not a very good idea. But on average, if one is wise and can read reviews insightfully, such a person will not be a victim of that. And of course, a lot of reviewers would be paid for the tasks which are not even their staff, and at times, it could be friends or associates.

[Hamphser]

The newly created account most likely sharing that they got scammed and created an accusation without prior proof or other details regarding their experience but sometimes they are tired of reading the terms and reason why their account gets flagged I've seen some accusations that they win a lot and still unsolved. Still, I will rely on the information given by the accusers statements and documentation so we are open to both sides and give our opinions.

Yes, the point is, as long as there is genuine evidence, of course everyone must be open and fair in dealing with their problems, not all newbie accounts come to bring down the casino site, some even accuse them because they don't know where else to complain, whereas it may be difficult for them to complain about their problems elsewhere. The gambling site they play on, for example, lacks response to users who have problems so that gambling sites often ignore their users' problems, which ultimately makes users take other ways to complain about their problems.

Not many people may know about this forum even though it exists, but most of them don't know about this forum, so they end up creating an account and complaining about problems on one of the gambling sites which may be more active on this forum than on their site, so they just come to this forum. to complain about their problems and ultimately make it a case that must be resolved by the gambling site, especially in this forum, if they cheat users, the site will definitely be flagged by many communities in the forum.

Yes, but most likely those newbie accounts are indeed being created whether they would really be hiding themselves and that thrown out with baseless accusations or simply we do have
that several ways and possibilities that they could give out someones reputation to become shit not unless if those issues raised are legit ones then it would be something needing up that
solid evidence. Just like on what most people saying on here that this community itself would really be that soo good when it comes on dealing up with those accusations whether its really that real or not.
It would really be that understandable that solid evidences would really be needed up for you to provide on the moment that you would be raising up some issues because if you dont
then you would really be just definitely be getting ignored.

Its easy to ignore them since we could figure out immediately if there accusation or argument is true. If they could able to present a valid proof then people should entertain them and help them to raise their issue to the casino by posting on their Ann thread question why the casino didn't settle or help the guy on their issues. But if they can't present anything and just throw baseless allegation then automatically we could easily point out the they are just a troll and want to create some commotion so people will get confuse on the reputation of the casino. Also this action they made will not succeed since people could turn down immediately those people who post nonsense accusations.

Yes, its just common sense but there would really be some questions in regarding on whats the point on trying out to throw out some issues without having no proof?
On which we know that the community would really be just that ignoring them or simply they are really just that wasting up time and effort on doing such thing?
The community is really that highly reactive when it comes to scams and potential issues no matter how old or new a site is. As long it would really be shown up with some
solid evidence then it would really be that something that needs up to be cleared up by the said platform whether old or new.

[letteredhub]

There are many personal reasons why an accuser against a casinos' unprofessional action would want to use a newbie account to pour out his accusations and because it's a newbie account doesn instantly make it a scammer's account with having to hear from both sides thoroughly before reaching conclusion. What if the victim who want to raise the accusation is participating in the casino's signature campaign in the forum and probably out of fear for his spot don't want to use his account to raise the issue and then decides to use the other channel of creating a newbie account to speak up about it.

One thing we should understand is that, it's not the calibre or how long the accuser might have been a member of the forum that makes his accusation worthy of a listen ear. We all have to give every complain an equal playing ground until evidence are produced to ascertain who's wrong or right.

[delfastTions]

There are many personal reasons why an accuser against a casinos' unprofessional action would want to use a newbie account to pour out his accusations and because it's a newbie account doesn instantly make it a scammer's account with having to hear from both sides thoroughly before reaching conclusion. What if the victim who want to raise the accusation is participating in the casino's signature campaign in the forum and probably out of fear for his spot don't want to use his account to raise the issue and then decides to use the other channel of creating a newbie account to speak up about it.

One thing we should understand is that, it's not the calibre or how long the accuser might have been a member of the forum that makes his accusation worthy of a listen ear. We all have to give every complain an equal playing ground until evidence are produced to ascertain who's wrong or right.

I agree that the time spent on the forum, although important, is not a critical argument in disputes, especially in disputes in the event of a potentially real trial.  Of course, first of all, you should study the arguments and accusations on the part of the plaintiff and, accordingly, the answers and arguments of the defendant.  But usually such disputes at the level of individual posts on forums are a completely useless exercise, since an outside observer and even potentially an arbitrator will still not be able to find out the real picture of events based on fragmentary data from the parties to the dispute, since many nuances remain beyond the scope of the brief information set out in the posts. 
I would not participate in such proceedings at all.  But I know one thing, usually completely newbies start complaining simply because they themselves have not carefully read the rules set out in the ToS or elsewhere on a website, such as a casino.  This is 95% of all newbie complaints.

[Zadicar]

There are many personal reasons why an accuser against a casinos' unprofessional action would want to use a newbie account to pour out his accusations and because it's a newbie account doesn instantly make it a scammer's account with having to hear from both sides thoroughly before reaching conclusion. What if the victim who want to raise the accusation is participating in the casino's signature campaign in the forum and probably out of fear for his spot don't want to use his account to raise the issue and then decides to use the other channel of creating a newbie account to speak up about it.

One thing we should understand is that, it's not the calibre or how long the accuser might have been a member of the forum that makes his accusation worthy of a listen ear. We all have to give every complain an equal playing ground until evidence are produced to ascertain who's wrong or right.

With this kind of thinking then it do really that shows up that you are really just that trying to protect your earning into this forum but we do know that judgement isnt something that wouldnt be fair
as long that neither having those solid proofs or not then the community cant really just make out or drawn up some conclusions on which basing up with just few words.
Somehow i do agree into the sentiment that someone might really just that scared on using up their main accounts on making those accusations because on the moment that it wont really be proven out
or simply you didnt put up sufficient proof then that would really be that making a huge mess into your account reputation. So far there's no proven situation about using up newbie accounts
and been tagged out by other users alt account but usually newbie accounts are really that making those complaints.