Fulfilling signature campaign post quota by recycling own posts

[xLays]

Can someone tell my such a user shouldn't be tagged (negatively) for spamming.

See:

Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.

This is not usually spam. He posted the same content in 38 posts, at least this is what morvillz7z found. He was certainly quite aware of what he was doing and his explanation that he accidentally copied from a notepad is a poor attempt at justification. You can make the same mistake once or twice, but not 38 times.
I see this as a red tag.

This user should not only receive negative trust rating but should also be banned. Copy-pasting content is prohibited in this forum, right? This is totally a type of copy-pasted post. If I wer the admin here I surely ban this user. Anyway you already tagged him negative trust rating, its like she already ban because having a negative trust rating can't joined any signature campaign unless the campaign manager have consideration to accounts with negative trust rating.

Now If she have an alternate account, she will surely abandon this account and focus on their alternate account rather than defending themselves here.

[SamReomo]

Haven't you read these threads? Looks like someone is just adopting this behavior.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5283810.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320033.0

Thanks for sharing those threads, and to be honest I have never gone through those threads, however now I know that some people did that in past and others who are lazy are trying to follow their pattern once again even now.

I don't know what to say but I believe such members are somehow a disgrace to the campaigns that they join because instead of contributing anything good, they just delete and recycle their own previous written work.

[Zwei]

This is not usually spam. He posted the same content in 38 posts, at least this is what morvillz7z found. He was certainly quite aware of what he was doing and his explanation that he accidentally copied from a notepad is a poor attempt at justification. You can make the same mistake once or twice, but not 38 times.
I see this as a red tag.

i'm pretty sure something like this is against forum rules (i may be wrong on that),
a ban would do much more to stop this shit show.

I would also like to hear how these four Stake managers see the whole matter.

who?

[Rikafip]

I would also like to hear how these four Stake managers see the whole matter.

Do you honestly belive that there are 4 managers that are independently checking those posts?

Imho, one person is doing all this and those fake 4 managerrs are just show so Stake campaign appears more professional while we know its bullshit consideering the amount of shitposters among their ranks. And explains why something like this went unnoticed for so long.

Anyway, good catch @morvillz7z!



 

[stompix]

Imho, one person is doing all this and those fake 4 managerrs are just show so Stake campaign appears more professional while we know its bullshit consideering the amount of shitposters among their ranks. And explains why something like this went unnoticed for so long.

That guy for sure doesn't read the post, and if he actually does that I'm going to congratulate him no matter what others say, if you read all that repetitive 4 lines or for the more advanced spammer constant 3 paragraphs of gibberish and you don't get brain cancer after one month, as I said, this is something to appreciate! But, I'm sure nobody does the reading, they probably just put some random data in there and be done with it, if some shit in there is valued at 8 I really want to know what 1 or 2 rating look like. Also, how the hell are they all into the 7-8.5 range, commonnnnn!

I would also like to hear how these four Stake managers see the whole matter.

Cheap banner impression, they thought it would cost them more to actually do it themselves so this is the result!
No wonder the gambling board is turning from sinkhole to shithole to blackhole with those!

[Upgrade00]

This user should not only receive negative trust rating but should also be banned. Copy-pasting content is prohibited in this forum, right? This is totally a type of copy-pasted post. If I wer the admin here I surely ban this user.

The bannable offense is plagiarism, which is taking the content of others and passing it of as yours. Copying and pasting your own content repeatedly is very abusive spamming but it's not plagiarism and if spamming attracts a ban, it should be a temporary ban first.

[KingsDen]

This is not usually spam. He posted the same content in 38 posts, at least this is what morvillz7z found. He was certainly quite aware of what he was doing and his explanation that he accidentally copied from a notepad is a poor attempt at justification. You can make the same mistake once or twice, but not 38 times.
I see this as a red tag.

I am not totally ignorant that things like this happens. But I think I last heard about this type of spam during my early days in the forum. I am trying to figure out how this happen. Is it that Queenvera wrote down like 20 posts in their notepad and keep copy pasting them randomly to post. Also how will a post published today still fall in context when published in few days later. Atleast posts follow conversation flow.

I would also like to hear how these four Stake managers see the whole matter.

Stake has only 1 manager, others are employees. I don't trust that they read posts before rating. They definitely check length of posts and rate.

[mindrust]

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

That should teach them a lesson. Spamming the forum? That’s the line nobody should cross.

It is against the forum rules.

One less sig camp, I think we will be gud. We are drowning in sig camps, the participants will move to the next one, nobody will notice their absence

[JackpotRacer]

I hope the campaign manager will take some action against that user and possibility remove him/her from campaign with some warning.

I personally have no rivalry with that user but whatever he/she does isn't right and I believe such type of members should get reported to campaign managers as soon as possible.

The problem with stake campaign is that they don't want to hire someone for managing their campaign. I have tried to reach them (I won't lie lol) but failed. They have hired some spammers in the campaign (not everyone). They don't give priority to quality, they only need quantity.

They must hire someone for managing the campaign. Or at least to monitor the participants and replacing the spammer. Don't know if they ever will decide to do so. I would gladly assist them if they would look for a campaign manager or at least an assistant for monitoring the participants but seems that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Stake was and is very smart not to hire you Little Mouse as you are a cheat and they are not stupid at all.

[Little Mouse]

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

Spamming should be handled with report to moderator and for overwhelming one, a topic to get noticed by the admin/mod.

Feedback system isn't for fighting against spam. It will reduce the credit/standard of feedback system.

[GeorgeJohn]

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

That should teach them a lesson. Spamming the forum? That’s the line nobody should cross.

It is against the forum rules.

You don't need to give stake a feedback because of the participants they hired is spamming the forum, its when you have noticed a strange thing in stake betting platform that's harm to people who use their platform, it's when you will tag them, actually I have not seen the law stake broke, any user who is engaged in spamming the forum will face the consequence, neither the user will receive different neutral, because stake have the right to quit any participant at any point in time.

[LoyceV]

This user should not only receive negative trust rating but should also be banned.

I don't even think he'll be banned for spamming: posting the same thing after you deleted it could be considered a bump.

Copy-pasting content is prohibited in this forum, right?

The bannable offense is plagiarism, which is taking the content of others and passing it of as yours.

I've seen this many times: apparently the concept of plagiarism is still confusing. At least this puts xLays on the safe side

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

That would be considered Trust abuse.

[Ruttoshi]

I am not in support of anyone, but I am only expressing my personal view. What QueenVera did is bad and against the forum rules, maybe this user is using bot to post and that is why s/he is recycling his/her post over and over again, because if I am QueenVera I would get tired of recycling my post.

I have no doubt that Stake manager have problems with monitoring their campaign participants, and some of these participants take that for granted by spamming the forum to get paid weekly. I would not say that Stake manager selected spammers to work with, because a forum member can become more serious in posting quality post just to get a signature campaign and the moment they have been accepted after few weeks, they will become lazy and unserious with giving out quality post in order to give their best to company.

However, I have noticed that the pay rate of stake is not encouraging to some forum members here who are quality posters and post for fun, especially those in the technical section, and if Stake opens their campaign, such members don't apply. Stake will have no option than to pick from the members that applied, and they will pick the best to their knowledge especially when you are contributing more on gambling section. I saw recently that Stake accepted two quality posters from the Nigeria Board, Charles-Tim and Igebotz. This means that Stake manager knows what he wants and knows how to pick quality posters, but he is not given the opportunity to select because the payrate is low compared to other signature campaigns in the past, so those quality posters don't apply.

I have seen some number of quality posters in Stake. Some signature campaign managers do experience sometimes, that the post quality of a participant is dropping or he did not earned any merit over one month, and they will replace that user and if they are more than one, reshuffling will be made.

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

That should teach them a lesson. Spamming the forum? That’s the line nobody should cross.

It is a harsh decision... Don't use the sin of one person to condemn the rest.  
 Like I said, there are still quality posters in Stake.

[_act_]

This user should not only receive negative trust rating but should also be banned.

I don't even think he'll be banned for spamming: posting the same thing after you deleted it could be considered a bump.

That is no more spamming as he was deleting the old post. The moderators will leave his account alone and not give it any temporary or permanent ban. But what could teach him the lesson is when his account has been given comments on his trust page about what he did. If a campaign manager reads it, he will think of selecting him into another campaign or not. But I do not think a campaign manager will select someone like this that intentionally ranked up and start looking for all ways to earn money from a signature campaign.

[Solosanz]

However, I have noticed that the pay rate of stake is not encouraging to some forum members here who are quality posters and post for fun, especially those in the technical section, and if Stake opens their campaign, such members don't apply.

I have to disagree, even though it's true their pay rate is lower than other campaigns, but they paid at least $50 for 25 posts is quite decent especially there are many campaign have stopped.

It's not those members don't apply, but they've applied and they didn't get accepted because they have their "own" way to judge the post quality.

I dont really trust in the current Merit System, tbh. I have seen shitty posters with over 5k merits and I have also seen good posters that barely could reach Sr Member so no, dont ask me to use it as basis to accept or maintain members in the campaign because I wont.

I saw recently that Stake accepted two quality posters from the Nigeria Board, Charles-Tim and Igebotz.

They're not "accepted", instead they're "hired".

There's a difference, not many users can earn 4K merits or become a moderator.

I have seen some number of quality posters in Stake. Some signature campaign managers do experience sometimes, that the post quality of a participant is dropping or he did not earned any merit over one month, and they will replace that user and if they are more than one, reshuffling will be made.

This is wrong, I've check few of their participants, there are many participants that only received 1 merit in the last 120 days still participate till now. I don't see their post quality is dropping, their post quality is same, exaggerate one sentence become one paragraph or two paragraphs.

[_act_]

I have to disagree, even though it's true their pay rate is lower than other campaigns, but they paid at least $50 for 25 posts is quite decent especially there are many campaign have stopped.

For every hero on the campaign, they earn $50 for every 25 posts while $0.75 if they make more but with more if they post more on gambling board. But legendary members in the campaign earn more. Legendary members are earning $62.5 for every 25 posts while $0.9 more after 25 posts and more if they post under gambling board. They have a grading way to limit some people posts but all of them can still have up to 50 posts per week. I will agree with you that the pay is enough even for the 25 posts but some people are greedy and want to post more by spamming. I am not saying they should not post more but it should be with quality posts.

[Lucius]

That guy for sure doesn't read the post, and if he actually does that I'm going to congratulate him no matter what others say, if you read all that repetitive 4 lines or for the more advanced spammer constant 3 paragraphs of gibberish and you don't get brain cancer after one month, as I said, this is something to appreciate! But, I'm sure nobody does the reading, they probably just put some random data in there and be done with it, if some shit in there is valued at 8 I really want to know what 1 or 2 rating look like. Also, how the hell are they all into the 7-8.5 range, commonnnnn!
~snip~

I'm sure that nobody reads those posts, and even if they do, they can't have an IQ higher than 50. It is clear to all of us that this campaign currently holds the leading position in generating spam on this forum (together with a couple of super low pay rates campaigns), so suggestions that someone should spend several hours every day cleaning up after them do not make much sense.

The only thing that would give results is a temporary ban on that campaign, and mandatory running of the campaign (if it were to be started again) by a respectable manager - this has already happened in the past when such positions were taken by @Lauda and @hilariousandco.

[examplens]

What if we tag stake.com, their manager and the participants for spamming?

That would be considered Trust abuse.

+1

I'm sure that nobody reads those posts, and even if they do, they can't have an IQ higher than 50. It is clear to all of us that this campaign currently holds the leading position in generating spam on this forum (together with a couple of super low pay rates campaigns), so suggestions that someone should spend several hours every day cleaning up after them do not make much sense.

However, managers (if they really exist there) marked this user as writing quality posts. As far as I understand, they have standards for how the post should look, but the content itself is completely irrelevant.
Quotes as a sign of discussing a certain topic with someone, two or three paragraphs, a picture (preferably from the Stake site). For those who are short-sighted, this picture looks pretty good.

The only thing that would give results is a temporary ban on that campaign, and mandatory running of the campaign (if it were to be started again) by a respectable manager - this has already happened in the past when such positions were taken by @Lauda and @hilariousandco.

We can't ban a campaign because we don't like the quality they bring. How will we even determine which manager is up to the task? I believe that every manager has those who think that he is not doing his job well, and that would be an endless discussion.

The Stake campaign is currently the most talked about, so it can be concluded that it is also a form of success. They definitely attracted attention.

[Fiatless]

However, I have noticed that the pay rate of stake is not encouraging to some forum members here who are quality posters and post for fun, especially those in the technical section, and if Stake opens their campaign, such members don't apply.

I have to disagree, even though it's true their pay rate is lower than other campaigns, but they paid at least $50 for 25 posts is quite decent especially there are many campaign have stopped.

Many quality posters will join the Stake campaign for $50 (25 posts). The problem with some of the participants is greed. They want to get the maximum pay even when they know that they lack the time or ability to do it. If these Stake posters post based on their abilities and not because of money, their post quality will improve.

Stake Management identified this problem and tried to stop it by allocating maximum posts to members based on certain criteria. The problem now is that the process of giving quotas to posters was faulty, so spammers and greedy posters were still given high quotas. So the problem persisted.

I have a suggestion; the managers of the campaign need to look for means to identify quality posters. Different criteria should be used and an external person(s) who are not part of the current campaign managers should be part of the selection process.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's the worst case of recycling one's own posts I have ever seen, in fact it's the first time I'm seeing someone doing something like that.

Me, too.  I don't doubt that this crap has been happening as long as idiots have been able to get away with it, but I'll be damned if I ever noticed it myself--or if it's ever been reported as being a problem in a thread like this.  Nice eyes, OP.

Well, I guess this is one way to avoid using AI to generate posts, right?  Fortunately, uncovering recycled posts is way easier than ones made using some kind of program.  And I'll admit that I've tended to use some of the same phrases over and over again in my posts over the years, it's not because I don't know how to write anything else.  It's just my style, and sometimes I just have the same opinion on whatever the topic of a thread is.  But there's a difference between that and actually "self-plagiarizing" (which isn't a valid phrase IMO, but you all know what I'm talking about).

Shut these fools down!