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June 07, 2024, 07:40:26 AM
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I know you are talking about links, I even highlighted the part where you mentioned that the 24-hour restriction you are talking about is restricting newbies from posting links. so I am not sure why you think I didn't get it.

I thought you didn't get it because you mentioned learning and asking questions when the restriction has nothing to do with that. A newbie would still be able to make posts normally and ask questions the way they can do right now even if a restriction like that is imposed.

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June 07, 2024, 08:12:30 AM
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I know you are talking about links, I even highlighted the part where you mentioned that the 24-hour restriction you are talking about is restricting newbies from posting links. so I am not sure why you think I didn't get it.

I thought you didn't get it because you mentioned learning and asking questions when the restriction has nothing to do with that. A newbie would still be able to make posts normally and ask questions the way they can do right now even if a restriction like that is imposed.
the "learning and asking questions" has something to do with it because there are newbies who ask questions and include links to put more context on what they are asking. if you restrict them from posting links it could make it harder for them to put more context on the question they want to ask.

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June 07, 2024, 09:12:20 AM
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the "learning and asking questions" has something to do with it because there are newbies who ask questions and include links to put more context on what they are asking. if you restrict them from posting links it could make it harder for them to put more context on the question they want to ask.

Okay, fair enough.

The actual point is, that I'm not against newbies, never was, and I want this forum to have more and more users who are genuine and loyal to the forum, I want this forum to become as popular as possible like everyone else. The only thing I'm against is the fact that some people misuse the "freedom" they get in here, that's it.

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June 07, 2024, 09:13:21 AM
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If newbies are not allowed to post, how will they leave a link in their posts for asking help?

If forum censors link from newbies in posts and in bbcode blocks too, they will have difficulty in asking help like confirming one website is legit or is phishing site. Only a link can provide information for newbies to ask.

There will be scammers use newbie accounts to post phishing links too but they are not reasons why all newbies can not post links. We can not assume all newbies are criminals and restrict them with posting links.

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June 07, 2024, 10:39:06 AM
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The 24-hour restriction isn't just 24 hours after the registration time, I'm talking about "Total time logged in" here, which means that they will need to spend at least 24 hours in total in the forum to be able to post links. So if a newbie spends 4 hours a day surfing the forum, they should be able to get through the restriction in 6 days.

With this, you could simply just restrict the whole member group as 24 hours logged time is simply too much, for example, in my case if I look at my time counted it's the equivalent of close to 9 days...

If newbies are not allowed to post, how will they leave a link in their posts for asking help?
If forum censors link from newbies in posts and in bbcode blocks too, they will have difficulty in asking help like confirming one website is legit or is phishing site. Only a link can provide information for newbies to ask.

In the last updated scam accusations:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5497949.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498732.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5497907.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5497855.0

If you're familiar with the scam section you would know that the image restriction is far worse there as a simple hyperlink restriction can be bypassed by simply adding space but the ability to post images/screenshots is far more important when asking for help or providing proofs.

Again, I'm against this but let's not make it look like it's something crucial!

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June 07, 2024, 12:21:25 PM
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Every rank member should be treated equally, and same open platform, I believe there are room for report, spam or any trust issue concerning any member, that medium can be used and not suffer everyone because of the mistakes of one person. It up to any reasonable member wether to click the link, fall prey for it or not, I believe it was an idea shared at the first instance. Such Restriction or Jail for newbies/certain member rank is unnecessary in a Public Forum like this.
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June 07, 2024, 03:37:02 PM
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If newbies are not allowed to post, how will they leave a link in their posts for asking help?

If forum censors link from newbies in posts and in bbcode blocks too, they will have difficulty in asking help like confirming one website is legit or is phishing site. Only a link can provide information for newbies to ask.
Not all posts where someone asks for help need to have links. You can ask for help without it. But it can also easily be bypassed. if I am not allowed to post "bitcointalk.org", I can write it as "bitcointalk .org" and it won't be recognized as a link. Also, instead of posting a link to a wallet for example, you could ask someone to help you and post that link.

For example, what is the official website of Electrum?

Still, I don't want to see such restrictions for newbies.

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June 07, 2024, 03:49:53 PM
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I disagree with this because it will not be good. If this is the case, many people will have left the forum. Forums are an open space for everyone. If we don't welcome them now, they won't be here; they will be forced to leave, I don't think. Congratulate and welcome them and show them the way forward. We will help newbies learn about the forum and give them a chance to learn.

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June 07, 2024, 04:27:57 PM
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I am against this and I think this rule change could hurt genuine users who just registered in forum and wanted to post link for their project or service.
Sure it could prevent few spammers temporary but this won't stop them to post that same link tomorrow, and genuine user won't bother with that.
It's more than enough restrictions for newbies with evil fees and no images.  

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June 07, 2024, 08:55:51 PM
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Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.
I'm constantly trying to figure out how cognitively sound Theymos was, to have realized that out of the worst places, good things could come. Every damn person had been in that position; so tell me, how you gonna feel if anyone listed you among the new-era newbies that don't seem to add any value to the community?

No restrictions! The ones we've got is enough already... Let 'em spread their tentacles and do more, they could override most of us even as older members. As for the ones that go around posting links and stuffs, a proper use of "report to moderator" button could save the day.

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June 08, 2024, 03:22:07 AM
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This is not a bad idea if the problem has become recurring enough and involves a large amount of the newbies who register on the forum. As it is, this is not a crisis situation as yet, mods are able to manage properly the handful of spammers who come online to share their links, there's no need at the moment to make major changes to the rules.
But it would count as doing newbie jail all over again and @theymos already had something to say to this, probably the best thing that would be done in this situation is for everyone to remain vigilant and never to carelessly click on links, that's the only thing that we can do in this kind of situation if I'm being honest, if you're putting your guard up when you're dealing with strangers on the Internet, then you're probably doing something wrong and you need to relearn the netiquette.

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June 08, 2024, 05:08:27 AM
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My intention was not to create a newbie jail, but most people aren't getting the point.

Nonetheless, thank you, everyone, for your opinions and thoughts on the subject.

I'm locking the thread.

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