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June 09, 2024, 11:16:03 PM
Merited by Julien_Olynpic (1)
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All things play a role. The city the match is being played, the fans, the stadium, the team strength, the coach and most importantly the current form of the team. Most time people ignore that. Team A may be a bigger team than team B, but if team B is in a very good form currently they stand a chance to win.
Take the mat h between Bayer Leverkusen and Bayern Munich for example. In all ramifications, Munich is a bigger, better as more successful team than Leverkusen, but Leverkusen were in better form.

One reason why I believe statistics alone and why I believe AI can't successfully predict games is because even with all things considered and everything points that A would be the winner, in sports like football especially, B might still win.
They can walk into the pitch and everything goes well for one team or everything goes wrong for the other team.
A weak shot can be deflected in for a goal. A wrong call by the referee may even decide the game.
So I believe everything should be taken into consideration, but of course the most likely to determine an outcome would be the current form of the team and their strength.

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June 09, 2024, 11:29:24 PM
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Team strength should be the main factor before any other thing. Which involves the availability of all the players that would make up the team to be strong. If one player whose presence  is not availlable it kay make the team weak. That is why most sports gambler do wait for line ups or to see the players who are availlable before betting.

However sometimes it doesnt have to be the team strength since there are so many things to bet on that does not require the team strength to win. Things like number of yellow cards, red card and foul or corners. It depends on the sport although.

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June 10, 2024, 01:54:50 AM
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What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams?
I'd always have the team strength up there because it's like the baseline for measuring their level, and when it comes to certain sports like tennis, i'd include the playstyle of players you regularly bet on because they could struggle against opponents who specialize in other parts (serving, counter, etc.).

And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?
Aside from the other examples already mentioned, i'd include the importance of the match, and check the standings if they're in a must-win situation to secure their promotion or avoid relegation. Sometimes this factor alone can motivate most teams regardless of the big disadvantage on the road.

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June 10, 2024, 02:12:04 AM
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Aside from the other examples already mentioned, i'd include the importance of the match, and check the standings if they're in a must-win situation to secure their promotion or avoid relegation. Sometimes this factor alone can motivate most teams regardless of the big disadvantage on the road.
In different matches with different importance for the club at that time, they will have different approaches like go serious to win it, to avoid loss or play it without clear result target for the match.

If they don't need to get points from the match, they will more possibly use young and alternative players and the B squad will not help them to perform as good as usually. With alternative and young players, I more expect bad results than good ones.

Moreover, checking information on player suspension or injuries will be important too because the information is helpful for us to guess possible eleven chosen players for the coming match.

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June 10, 2024, 02:19:35 AM
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That could be a factor in the forecast, but we must realize that there are other things that we should analyze besides that. We can check each team's history to see how good they are when they play. We can analyze what happens with each team from the beginning, which can give us additional information.

We must use more than just the strength of teams or players as the main factor in our analysis. We must have more information to determine which teams or players have a better chance of winning. But if some people use the strength of teams or players as the main factor, that will be up to them.

Those who often place a bet in sports betting know what they should analyze. But they do not just tell you what the point is because that is their secret. You can still use that method if you like, but other people will not use it the same way as you do.



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June 10, 2024, 04:01:55 AM
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I also do prioritize the strength of teams or individual players, as it often plays a decisive role in determining the result of a match.

Rankings are a useful way to gauge the strength of teams or players, but they aren't the sole indicator. Team form, head-to-head records, and even psychological factors can provide additional insights into potential outcomes. For instance, a team on a winning streak might perform better than its ranking suggests, while a team in a slump might underperform despite a high ranking.
I think this is only normal and everyone who are involved in betting are doing it already. If not the strongest team, they can also go for the weakest team or do an analysis for the both of them. Ranks don't lie and what you see is what you get. We can even speed things up if we will rely on it immediately.

We must only know that in gambling, the possibility of losing is still there because there are also other great players. Mostly they are close to the rank of our chosen teams. Seeing a team that got a winning streak is like seeing a crypto that pumps really huge and it may be risky to get involved with them. The more valid reason that I can think of, is maybe the team is now tired.

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June 10, 2024, 04:11:36 AM
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I know that many experienced sports bettors place the greatest importance on the strength of teams (in team sports) or the strength of individual players (in individual sports). They believe that this is what plays a decisive role, and not other factors. For example, the advantage of home games only appears in competition between approximately equal teams. And when teams or players are not equal in strength, then comparing the strength of the teams becomes of primary importance. You may also cite other factors, such as:
1. Coach.
2. Judging.
3. Player injuries.
4. Season of the year.
Some other sport-specific factors. For example, for tennis, the surface on which the game is played matters - artificial or natural.
 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?
Without a doubt the strength of a team is the most important factor, and this is because if you concentrate strictly on the results obtained, then by evaluating their strength you are indirectly evaluating the rest of the factors, so trying to consider them as independent variables can instead make whatever strategy that you are using less accurate than expected.

Besides even if you could somehow evaluate them in isolation, what kind of weight to give to each one of those factors becomes its own problem.
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 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?

When looking for the probability of one team or a player, the best indicator or predictor is always the ranking and the record. People will be at a loss for who they are going into if they do not have a ranking to look up to.
Every bettor looks up so many factors when betting, and apart from the ranking and the team's past records, they also look for inside stories and expert analysis.

Inside stories and experts are two sources worth relying on to gain more insight into the team you want to bet on. Rankings and records are open to the public, but inside stories are relayed to you so you can analyze whether the team is worth following or not.

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1. Coach.
2. Judging.
3. Player injuries.
4. Season of the year.

What do you mean by "judging"? Are you talking about the referee and the decisions he makes during the game? How can this be predicted?
The "coach" cannot be one of the main factors, when predicting a single game. For example, Manchester City has a great coach, but they've lost several games across the Premier League season against theoretically weaker opponents. Can you blame Pep Guardiola for those losses?
The lack of important players, that are missing because of injuries and red cards is the most important factor, when we are trying to evaluate the strength of a team in a particular match.

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Of course, one close-knit team that has played several successful games will be a good indicator for determining the outcome of the game. But also a significant role is played by such factors as injuries to players in football, receiving red or yellow cards, which accordingly will not allow good players to play, and the coaching staff, who carried out training correctly or not. Sometimes the heavy workload of players, instead of light training, will play a role in the outcome of the match since it is not always possible to recover successfully after several games and busy training.

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June 10, 2024, 12:17:21 PM
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Well, like some people will always say, most times all of those factors doesn't also work all the time but it is indeed a very necessary factors that must be considered by a gambler while placing their bets. For me, I usually consider all the necessary factors before placing bet. Factors such as home and away match, the strength of the team and also the  ability of the individual players, I also consider their performance in their previous matchmatch but I don't usually consider the coach as a major factor before placing my bet.

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1. Coach.
2. Judging.
3. Player injuries.
4. Season of the year.

What do you mean by "judging"? Are you talking about the referee and the decisions he makes during the game? How can this be predicted?
The "coach" cannot be one of the main factors, when predicting a single game. For example, Manchester City has a great coach, but they've lost several games across the Premier League season against theoretically weaker opponents. Can you blame Pep Guardiola for those losses?
The lack of important players, that are missing because of injuries and red cards is the most important factor, when we are trying to evaluate the strength of a team in a particular match.
Thank you for your opinion. I wonder if anyone could come up with a complete list of factors that could influence the outcome of a match, for example in football? As for referees and coaches, I think that one could try to collect statistics on how one or the presence of a particular referee or coach affects the outcome of the match. Of course, a team can lose with a good coach, and win with a bad one. But, on the other hand, if we abstract from just a few matches, then surely the presence of a good coach should statistically lead the team to win more often. Otherwise, on what basis can we assume that he is a good coach?
 There is something similar in relation to judges. It can almost certainly be assumed that there are biased judges. Surely the judges may have favorite and least favorite teams. But this can only be determined using a large statistical sample.

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I know that many experienced sports bettors place the greatest importance on the strength of teams (in team sports) or the strength of individual players (in individual sports). They believe that this is what plays a decisive role, and not other factors. For example, the advantage of home games only appears in competition between approximately equal teams. And when teams or players are not equal in strength, then comparing the strength of the teams becomes of primary importance. You may also cite other factors, such as:
1. Coach.
2. Judging.
3. Player injuries.
4. Season of the year.
Some other sport-specific factors. For example, for tennis, the surface on which the game is played matters - artificial or natural.
 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?


I believe the strength of the team and individual players in sport betting places a crucial role for any win or loss, and not necessarily the ranking of the Team, we have seen were smaller clubs win bigger clubs which is normal because at times sport betting begets more surprises.
When am placing a bet, I consider the performance of both teams so far, Team Strength and the Players in each team because solely for any win it must align with this.
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It's easy to predict the winner based on the strength comparison of the teams. However, profitability is challenging because the good teams are usually heavy favorites, and it's been proven that betting on low odds alone is not profitable. Most real bettors tend to bet on the handicap, and honestly, even if you bet on the best team in the league, there's no assurance that they'll cover the handicap.

The key point to remember is, yes, the better team will win, but by how many points.

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Just like you rightly stated, many factors are used in rating the strength of a team or player. Those you mentioned are correct and are part of what I look at in making my selection. I will only add few others for the sake of this discussion.

  • For a football team, you have to add the home and away factor, match schedules(if they have external competition such as UCL), the weather condition(teams going away to where the weather is different from theirs will be affected by the change of environment), their recent form which comprise of their winning or losing mentality and ease of scoring or conceding. There are some teams that will be in their top scoring form, just like Arsenal was towards the end of last season.
  • For individual events such as tennis,  weather condition can also play a part as well as recent form. If the player have been playing in high spirit, that will definitely show in the results. Also if they have busy schedule without enough rest, it will show in their performance
So weather condition, match schedule and recent form are part of the things I need to add to the list you already gave.

This factor that affects the outcome of a match that you have stated above is something that most gamblers doesn't put into consideration because weather changes is a very big barrier in a match in the sense that you can't compare the ability and performance of players on a fair weather to a snow field or when it is raining. There was a match I watched some time ago in the EPL, it was Tottenham against a mediocre team so the match started in a fair weather and Tottenham happens to be winning and playing very well but immediately the snow begins to fall their performance declined and the mediocre team took advantage of the snow and equalized and won Tottenham so had it been the match was played in a fair weather all through they might not have lost the match.

So when making predictions about the outcome of a match, the weather conditions should be put into consideration and again taking note of the performance of a team when they are playing in a fair weather and a snowy or rainy weather should be observed incase of subsequent reoccurrence.

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It's easy to predict the winner based on the strength comparison of the teams. However, profitability is challenging because the good teams are usually heavy favorites, and it's been proven that betting on low odds alone is not profitable. Most real bettors tend to bet on the handicap, and honestly, even if you bet on the best team in the league, there's no assurance that they'll cover the handicap.

The key point to remember is, yes, the better team will win, but by how many points.
It is always very true that the better teams will win,but another area will need to look at is the history of the two Teams,there are some teams that despite being good at the moment,there are teams they don't beat,and even if that team is in a worst form,they will still be unable to defeat them,simply because a record as been set against that team,and whether the team is good or bad, anything can happen
The most important thing I used to look at most is their head to head and how good they are at the moment,the moment I can get this information,then I can predict my game.

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It's easy to predict the winner based on the strength comparison of the teams. However, profitability is challenging because the good teams are usually heavy favorites, and it's been proven that betting on low odds alone is not profitable. Most real bettors tend to bet on the handicap, and honestly, even if you bet on the best team in the league, there's no assurance that they'll cover the handicap.

The key point to remember is, yes, the better team will win, but by how many points.
I agree with you that is why I don't believe that there is anything called sure bet. I have lost many bets playing favourite teams with small odds yet the smaller team beat them mercilessly. What I do is that if the odd is too low, I consider playing on goals, this way, even if the big team lose or draw, I will win if they score the number of goals I expected. I have tested this system for a long time before I began to implement it. Gambling is all about looking for a pattern that gives one the expected results or a promise of it.

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Team strength acts as a very important predictor in football or cricket especially if considered in cricket then team strength or balancing must act as an important predictor in betting.
ICC World Cup Men T20 World Cup 2024 today match if two teams are imagined in terms of strength then South Africa is much better and balancing team than USA. So team strength must act as a predictor in today's match. And South Africa will definitely be selected as the winner in today's match and most of the bets in the predictors will go in favor of South Africa.

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Some other sport-specific factors. For example, for tennis, the surface on which the game is played matters - artificial or natural.
 The strength of teams or players is usually expressed in rankings.
What do you think: is the strength of teams or players the main factor in the forecast or not? Is ranking the only way to determine the strength of teams? And if these are the main factors, then how can you predict in advance the outcome of a game in which outsiders beat experienced teams?

Your stated factors is really important, I agree that it is not the strength of the team alone that determines the result of the game.  It also includes the

- conditions of players during the match,
- the harmony of the actions of players during the match
- the adjustment of the strategy implemented by the coach during the match
- and the in-game decisions of players especially during the crucial moment.

these are the factors that are the important variables that affect the result of the match.  Relying on the strength of the team alone does not secure a winning result especially when the team faced an opponent with a strategy counter to their normal plays.

Team strength acts as a very important predictor in football or cricket especially if considered in cricket then team strength or balancing must act as an important predictor in betting.
ICC World Cup Men T20 World Cup 2024 today match if two teams are imagined in terms of strength then South Africa is much better and balancing team than USA. So team strength must act as a predictor in today's match. And South Africa will definitely be selected as the winner in today's match and most of the bets in the predictors will go in favor of South Africa.

Not entirely true, a strong opponent can be beaten by a weaker opponent if they implement a counter strategy.  After all team sports is a game of strategy, being strong alone won't get the team that far if they get too cocky and without a proper strategic plan from the coach.

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June 19, 2024, 01:46:06 PM
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Not entirely true, a strong opponent can be beaten by a weaker opponent if they implement a counter strategy.  After all team sports is a game of strategy, being strong alone won't get the team that far if they get too cocky and without a proper strategic plan from the coach.
Being too arrogant may be the real cause because some sports clubs with big names sometimes underestimate the strength of clubs that are below their average.
Then feel strong and careless in attacking and strategizing, it will be the cause of a strong club's defeat.

And also it depends on luck and making the best use of opportunities at the club that is underestimated.
Team strength and cohesiveness in setting strategies and counter-attacking will be a deadly secret weapon.

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