The government cares for no one but waits for you to get rich for taxes paying.

[C10H15N]

Then definitely paying tax for a house you rent should not be your responsibility because you are not the owner; you stay there as rent, not yours, so for this, the owner of the house is the one to pay. You don’t have to include house rent in things like this since the tenant is not the owner of the house, so he won’t be the one to pay tax. However, even if the government did not collect tax from a poor person who rents a house, it is not a big deal on a normal basis; they were not suppose to collect since the house is not their property.

But if a poor person can buy a house, a car, or anything else that a country's government collects tax from, they will definitely collect it from them too, no doubt, so to me, just because the government is not collecting tax from tenants doesn’t mean they are also pitying them. Is it not their responsibility to pay that tax? If not, the government won’t look at how poor they are; they will pay for it. 

Businesses, including landlords, always pass the tax on to the consumer.  As a renter, you are making the mortgage and tax payments as part of the rent, you're just not getting the benefit from it (equity and deductibility). 

[Darker45]

I don't know if you've got literature or data that would back this up or this is simply expression of sheer disappointment and frustration.

However, as far as my country's revenue statistics are concerned, it's the people, the masses, everybody who's actually the largest source of income of the government. My country's revenue is mainly coming from value added taxes or taxes imposed on goods and services which everybody buys, rich or poor, powerful or helpless alike. And since majority of the people are the masses, then the government is actually heavily reliant on them for their money. The second largest source of income are taxes besides value added taxes that are imposed on goods and services. This is another revenue category that's coming from the masses.

My point is that the poor are actually heavily taxed. They're useless yet the government is actually milking them for the money they themselves would steal. So, they're not actually useless. Even if they're only eating canned sardines everyday, they remain to be the largest revenue contributor to the government.

Source:

1. https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/revenue-statistics-asia-and-pacific-philippines.pdf

[angrybirdy]

we pay taxes all the time, you may not even realize it but when you buy something, read the receipt as it mentions the tax you paid. you pay taxes over and over being poor, no one is exempted. centuries ago people wage war all because the government is collecting tax from the hard-earned money by people but now we are used to it already that even if they increase the rates, we're all obedient.

Right! So even those poor people still paying taxes in a very different ways, that's also the reason why people are struggling in their daily expenses because everything they need has a tax payment, that results higher expenses. maybe we only see the big deductions due to tax payments but in reality, the tax bill is the same for everyone, it just differs depending on the state of your life.

[avikz]

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

What kind of support you are expecting from the government? They have built collages so that you can study. Many government collages are nearly free for the citizens. Same goes for government schools as well. In my country, the basic education up to 5th standard is available for free. Many other facilities are also available for nearly free of cost. That's the support government should provide to their citizens. What other support you are referring to?

Also do you think that "individual income tax" is the only tax you pay? try to find the data for your country and you will see that the "individual income tax" probably contributes around 2% - 4% of the total taxes collected by the government. Citizens pay indirect taxes for every purchase. That's where the burden is!

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

People who can barely afford food, how would they pay taxes? Ask yourself!

[lixer]

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

Everybody pays tax, whether you know or not, but your taxation becomes more obvious when you have a lot of money.

Tax conditions are different in every country; some countries take it more seriously than others.

This is the sad part there. We are clueless about these taxation charges. It's kinda unfair if you ask me. I think it's better if they will be transparent because we are not picking up the money in the ground when we walk outside but it requires a tedious process to earn it.

Maybe if we know that a thing had some added tax, we can learn to say no, or pick a much cheaper item instead. For those who have lots of money, it is still possible for them to evade the tax and many are doing it already in fact. That was wrong of course. IMO, there is no reason to avoid it, if you know that you are earning money well. Those who do it are only greedy.

[btc78]

we pay taxes all the time, you may not even realize it but when you buy something, read the receipt as it mentions the tax you paid. you pay taxes over and over being poor, no one is exempted. centuries ago people wage war all because the government is collecting tax from the hard-earned money by people but now we are used to it already that even if they increase the rates, we're all obedient.

Right! So even those poor people still paying taxes in a very different ways, that's also the reason why people are struggling in their daily expenses because everything they need has a tax payment, that results higher expenses. maybe we only see the big deductions due to tax payments but in reality, the tax bill is the same for everyone, it just differs depending on the state of your life.

It usually differs from country to another but each country has what we call a tax bracket. If you earn x amount of salary, then you might belong to a bracket where the government can tax you 15% to 30% of your salary. Probably lower if your salary is also lower.

How does this not help lower / middle class people?

The government only helps people under a specific economic class and once they start earning, they stop all kinds of support and taxes them. Obviously with how much they are paying in their daily expenses, they are bound to go back to poverty again. This can be called the paradox of poverty which I think was very well explained in this video: https://youtu.be/D9N7QaIOkG8?si=02Q0JF1kXkuqcbDM

[iBaba]

Everybody pays tax, or better put, everybody should pay tax, it doesn't matter if you're poor or rich, as far as you earn an income and have assets you should pay tax. Tax is just usually higher for higher income earner in most countries.

The problem is government officials and politicians are too greedy enriching themselves than building better places for it's citizens, especially in developing countries where there is no proper system. So if you live in that type of country you have to realize that you're in your own. People in developed countries with a working system don't have it easy but it's worse in a place without a system.
As much as countries are filled with corrupt systems, you still have to obey the laws or you'll be punished, so you have to pay your taxes.

Unless for third world countries where the revenue generation and tax paying system is not as strong and effective as possible, making it possible for the lower class citizens of those countries not to pay tax because the popular opinion from the poor people is that paying of taxes by them is seen as extortion from the side of the government.

Due to this popular notion attached to the taxes collected by the government, it becomes difficult for the government agents to effectively collect those taxes making it more popular that only the rich people are the true taxpayers of the government. When we say rich people, in this context it also means those with thriving businesses and so on.

Since, in those kinds of countries, the class of people are differentiated by their environments which means the rich people oftentimes live in expensive and well coordinated environments like estates in big cities etc, making it easy to collect taxes from them. whereas the poor people live in a slums where houses are not properly built and people are always resistant to government enforcements.

[Reatim]

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?

The government do invest in human resource as well. Athletic events, beauty pageants, talent contests, scholarships and others are only some of the things that government set a specific amount of money for. Those people represent the country and can increase economic growth either through promotion of tourism or just winning awards and bringing home bragging rights for the country.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

They don’t charge the poor because there’s nothing to charge them for. If they are not earning anything and they are still being taxed, that will create inequality in the society.

[Haunebu]

Most governments function in this manner thanks to the human greed factor which is something that will most probably never change in my honest opinion. They tax the hell out of earning people in order to survive.

Very few governments don't unfairly tax everyone though, but they make sacrifices in some other places. This is reality sadly.

[bestcoins1]

Businesses, including landlords, always pass the tax on to the consumer.  As a renter, you are making the mortgage and tax payments as part of the rent, you're just not getting the benefit from it (equity and deductibility). 

This is something that most people sometimes forget, making them unaware that the tenant has actually paid tax on the rental and this will certainly be very beneficial for the land owner or landlord who usually takes advantage of the rent. I personally prefer to buy land directly if the location is quite suitable and strategic as I want at a price that is not much different from the usual market. Because the price of land itself is usually also influenced by the place or location of the land, as well as the rental costs which vary greatly from one land to another if the location is not the same.

[Rabata]

It is not possible for the government to support its huge population. So it is not right to expect anything from the government. Even if the government does not support anyone, he cannot continue without the support of the people. That is, the more taxes the public provide, government will be richer. Because of which it is said that if he does not help anyone, he expects the people of his country to be rich. But there are some differences between developed and developing countries. The more taxes are provided in a developed country the people of that country will get more advantages. But in developing countries, especially those countries which are involved in corruption, the taxes cannot be used properly by the government.

[AVE5]

we pay taxes all the time, you may not even realize it but when you buy something, read the receipt as it mentions the tax you paid. you pay taxes over and over being poor, no one is exempted. centuries ago people wage war all because the government is collecting tax from the hard-earned money by people but now we are used to it already that even if they increase the rates, we're all obedient.

Of course we all do pay taxes. To be precised we pay taxes via incomes and also purchases but quite trickish by the government that they extract these taxes from the people in most unknowingly manners such as increase of goods and service charges or likely to say inflation. That's when the government sights that even the poor laments on why asked to pay taxes even when they ain't accountable to making income in any ways.
Rather the obvious task payers are the income earners which the rate of their taxes is depended on their incomes rate.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Well, the government does not care about those excuses. As long as you are a citizen of the country, you are entitled to pay tax in due time.You can only manage to avoid some tax after you have discovered the loophole to avoid paying some tax. You cannot decide to be unsuccessful because you are scared that the government will ask for tax when you have grown a successful business or company.

I think the government of my country is trying their best, but yet they cannot still empower all the youth. Since we know that the government also has its lapses, we don't have to depend on them and wait until they empower us. But one thing is sure: whether the government empowers you or not, you are expected to pay tax when the time is right. 

[peter0425]

You can only manage to avoid some tax after you have discovered the loophole to avoid paying some tax.

To be fair, you can only find a loophole in paying taxes when you are super rich. The more complex your company is, the more likely you can find a loophole among regulatory laws. So the richer you are, the more you can escape paying taxes. Which is quite ironic if you think about it.

The poor are the ones who are fined hugely for not paying taxes when they can barely afford their daily needs. The taxes they collect are usually used for corruption anyway.

[Casdinyard]

I do not know about other countries but in my country, politics has compromised the economy growth with equity.
As the transition of power evolves, the value of the citizens are depreciated in the eyes of the governments which now optimizes citizens to rely living in fortitude of bravery and accepting challenges so that we don't give it all up hopelessly.

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

This very argument is the reason why the Ronald Reagan Tax Reform worked in the first place. They supposed that since businessmen are the ones that carry the whole economy of a country, in this case the USA, they should be taxed less and have the brunt of the work be passed on to the micro-citizens and the average joe. You realize how this lead to fucked up situations later down the line leading up to Ronald Reagan becoming labeled as the worst president in history.

There's a fine line between "investing in the productive members of the society" and "lifting tax obligations to the rich" you have to understand that the poor can't pay taxes because they are fucking poor.

[Synchronice]

I do not know about other countries but in my country, politics has compromised the economy growth with equity.
As the transition of power evolves, the value of the citizens are depreciated in the eyes of the governments which now optimizes citizens to rely living in fortitude of bravery and accepting challenges so that we don't give it all up hopelessly.

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

I don't know where are you from but there must be some programs in your country that help farmers, startups, tech companies and local business/production in your country. I don't think it's abandoned at all. They won't fund every business but there must be some niches that country wants to develop and with the right mind and good team, it's possible to get funding.

By the way, governments don't tax poor people but it's not like they tax rich people too. There are three classes: working class, middle class, and upper class. Working class does the most job and gets the lowest payrate. The middle class might be working as much as work class but they get better quality of life but still, they are the most pressured class, middle class pays the most taxes, they are the true strength. Upper class pays the least taxes because they are rich, have connections, influence, power and the possibility to bribe others, so, you know, they don't pay much taxes, middle class pays the most.

[jrrsparkles]

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?

They do and that why they are investing the tax money on infrastructure that bring more employment opportunities, better healthcare, better roads,etc so if they do what they propose then they are investing on citizens and we can't expect them to put money on everyone's pocket which will leads to inflation. So the organic way to develop the economy is generate revenue, reinvest in the country which help people to make money so they could pay taxes and the cycle keep repeats.

[EluguHcman]

This is the reason why the government didn't tax the poor.

Never Underestimate The Power Of Stupid People In Large Groups

The government mostly taxes middle class people because they're have a good mindset that didn't like the poor, but if they do something, it will not give a huge impact like the rich. Middle class people are the one who make the government rich because they don't mind to work hard and pay big amount of tax.

The rich pay less tax than the middle class since they learn tax avoidance and have a power to change something.

Quite convince able that everyone actually pays this taxes but the middle class people are the ones that the government focuses more on the tax structures because the middle classes may not be affordable to loose their source of income if they intends to thwart the governments order.

And besides they do not really understand the system of government yet so they would always be flexible to be controlled by the government unlike the highily rich people who knows the garbage in and the garbage out of the system of grievance.

Verily I am in doubt of the top politicians do pays these taxes when they are the ones programing the taxations and they are still the ones to give judgements so in a real essence, the taxes of the poor and the middle classes of people are getting the riches richer.

An obvious negligence that the poor and the middle classes are being oppressed on the struggling of their survival and financial upgrading just to enrich the riches richer by the taxing structures.

[sunsilk]

I do not know about other countries but in my country, politics has compromised the economy growth with equity.
As the transition of power evolves, the value of the citizens are depreciated in the eyes of the governments which now optimizes citizens to rely living in fortitude of bravery and accepting challenges so that we don't give it all up hopelessly.

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

This is sad, I know that most of us believe that we shouldn't be relying on the government. But they should be the first responder in help and aide for their citizens. At least in the little that they can, there should be support from them on helping their people to survive and provide their provisions, not an actual provision from them but the process and steps should be lightened by them.

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

Check out your government if they have educational programs like free basic education from primary to secondary because that's how they invest to individuals.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:[/b]Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

That's an incentive to them.

They contribute in so little ways and to the point that they are only earning money for their food and can't even tax them with that.

[el kaka22]

I mean they are taxing basically everything, aside from the oxygen you are breathing (I wouldn't be shocked to learn even that's taxed in some nations), but they are not helpful when you want to get rich, that's the issue. Governments love rich people, but they people who are not rich or trying to be rich.

So, you either inherit a lot of wealth, or you just happen to get lucky very quickly with their own system. Look at people like roaring kitty, that dude turned 50k into 500 million at some point (much less now), you think anyone can repeat that? Of course not, that was a one time thing in history, probably fixed by now, so believe me when I say this, if you start poor, then government will do their very best to keep you there.