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June 09, 2024, 11:29:05 AM
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I do not know about other countries but in my country, politics has compromised the economy growth with equity.
As the transition of power evolves, the value of the citizens are depreciated in the eyes of the governments which now optimizes citizens to rely living in fortitude of bravery and accepting challenges so that we don't give it all up hopelessly.

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

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June 09, 2024, 01:15:01 PM
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So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.

Everybody pays tax, or better put, everybody should pay tax, it doesn't matter if you're poor or rich, as far as you earn an income and have assets you should pay tax. Tax is just usually higher for higher income earner in most countries.

The problem is government officials and politicians are too greedy enriching themselves than building better places for it's citizens, especially in developing countries where there is no proper system. So if you live in that type of country you have to realize that you're in your own. People in developed countries with a working system don't have it easy but it's worse in a place without a system.
As much as countries are filled with corrupt systems, you still have to obey the laws or you'll be punished, so you have to pay your taxes.

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June 09, 2024, 01:26:43 PM
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Taxes are general, put on basic things like, income, purchases, social amenities, so rich or not rich everyone pays taxes. In most cases as one gets richer they get more financially aware and can afford to use tax loopholes that exist, meaning the not so rich may be paying more in taxes relative to what they are earning.

The rules may be flipped in your country depending on what economic policies are in place, but for majority of countries, taxes are paid across the board.

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we pay taxes all the time, you may not even realize it but when you buy something, read the receipt as it mentions the tax you paid. you pay taxes over and over being poor, no one is exempted. centuries ago people wage war all because the government is collecting tax from the hard-earned money by people but now we are used to it already that even if they increase the rates, we're all obedient.



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June 09, 2024, 02:54:24 PM
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My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

Because government is still bunch of people that has their own personal gain. That’s why government with democratic type of government on a 3rd world country usually suffer on corruption since those elected politicians is using the government as source of income to become rich.

It’s very hard to stop corruption if the person responsible of cleaning the government is one with the corrupt officials. My country is one of the best example that suffer on this kind of political corruption. Only certain family keeps being elected while they are partnering with business to tax evade while they get part of it.

We have the worst infra project despite taxpayers is paying huge taxes.

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June 09, 2024, 03:02:15 PM
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The working class are always proportionally taxed the heaviest.  The investment class (wealthy) require an incentive to invest their wealth in creating jobs for the working class so they are given a tax break to do so.

The working class also heavily outnumber the investment class so their taxes provide the bulk of the wealth confiscated by governments. 

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June 09, 2024, 03:22:44 PM
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Taxes are general, put on basic things like, income, purchases, social amenities, so rich or not rich everyone pays taxes. In most cases as one gets richer they get more financially aware and can afford to use tax loopholes that exist, meaning the not so rich may be paying more in taxes relative to what they are earning.

The rules may be flipped in your country depending on what economic policies are in place, but for majority of countries, taxes are paid across the board.
Well yeah that is the reality especially in third world countries like mine tax itself will kill small businesses and average peoples income as all of it are subject to taxes. Rich people use debt so they pay no taxes while poor and average people can't due to the fact that it needed collaterals which most haven't. Rich people can even evade paying taxes even though they know it's illegal but average people can't. Taxes that the government collected sometimes ended up in the hands of the corrupt that is why it is so unfair.



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June 09, 2024, 03:32:24 PM
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This is the reason why the government didn't tax the poor.

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The government mostly taxes middle class people because they're have a good mindset that didn't like the poor, but if they do something, it will not give a huge impact like the rich. Middle class people are the one who make the government rich because they don't mind to work hard and pay big amount of tax.

The rich pay less tax than the middle class since they learn tax avoidance and have a power to change something.

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June 09, 2024, 03:43:39 PM
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Limited resources may be one of the reasons why the government does not assist or invest more in its citizens who have the potential to be productive. They might place more emphasis on funding services and infrastructure that benefit the whole community as opposed to just a select few. Governments that are risk averse might rather fund safer projects with better odds of success. Political factors: Politicians may also have an impact on governments by endorsing particular sectors of the economy or groups of people. This may lead to an unfair allocation of opportunities and resources. Lack of knowledge or comprehension: Public servants might not always be aware of a group's or individual's capacity for productivity, nor might they completely comprehend the advantages of investing in them. for expansion and advancement.

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We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.
Everybody pays tax, whether you know or not, but your taxation becomes more obvious when you have a lot of money.

Tax conditions are different in every country; some countries take it more seriously than others.

@OP, We are from the same country, and the very last time that I was out to enjoy a bottle of beer, I remember that on my receipt for payment, I saw that there was an addition for VAT on my drink. It is the same with the services rendered by some other outlets, so even if you are not rich yet or even working, there is still some tax that you pay.


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June 09, 2024, 06:39:15 PM
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So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.
Everyone should pay tax including the poor in the society as long as they are earning income. Taxes are a good thing and it is a civic responsibility. Public infrastructures would not be possible if citizens don't pay taxes and we know that these public infrastructures are for the benefits of the poor who would use it at a subsidized cost. On the other hand the poor should be taxed based on their income. They shouldn't be made to pay the same amount in taxes just as the rich. It would be unfair and unjust to them.

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June 09, 2024, 06:50:54 PM
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...It would be unfair and unjust to them.

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I do not know about other countries but in my country, politics has compromised the economy growth with equity.
As the transition of power evolves, the value of the citizens are depreciated in the eyes of the governments which now optimizes citizens to rely living in fortitude of bravery and accepting challenges so that we don't give it all up hopelessly.

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.


This is really dependent on which country you live in, because I am quite happy with the services that my government provides - even if they are sometimes imperfect or elements need vast improvements. However I can see why some people in more corrupt countries might get disenfranchised with their government, as you hear some really tough stories where leaders can hoard money for a very small inner circle. In an ideal world they should tax the richest billionaires much more, however these people can often move around into jurisdictions that will bend rules to get them in, even if they do not contribute very much it looks good to have many billionaires in your country.

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This is really dependent on which country you live in, because I am quite happy with the services that my government provides - even if they are sometimes imperfect or elements need vast improvements. However I can see why some people in more corrupt countries might get disenfranchised with their government, as you hear some really tough stories where leaders can hoard money for a very small inner circle. In an ideal world they should tax the richest billionaires much more, however these people can often move around into jurisdictions that will bend rules to get them in, even if they do not contribute very much it looks good to have many billionaires in your country.

All politicians everywhere are owned by the wealthy.  They are the real power.  The politicians only exist at the whim of the wealthy to serve as a buffer and to give the common people some illusion of control and representation over their lives.

"The rich shall rule over the poor and the borrower is slave to the lender" - Solomon, son of David, King of Israel. 

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My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
Politics. They don't want to initiate projects that don't have any solid way for people to immediately see what they did, so they don't do those kinds of projects where it's designed to benefit the city in the long run. I've worked with the government before and you can see this from the way they structure their projects lol. Might be a bit biased on the one I worked on, but I think in general that's how it goes. Sadly enough even these projects that are being shown and immediately made/built still suck lol.

Though in general as others have said, taxes are still being paid by everyone. Just that at a certain point, it becomes really easy to use the laws to bypass taxes and I'd say that's the point where you can call yourself rich lol.

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June 09, 2024, 09:11:39 PM
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We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.
Everybody pays tax, whether you know or not, but your taxation becomes more obvious when you have a lot of money.

Tax conditions are different in every country; some countries take it more seriously than others.

@OP, We are from the same country, and the very last time that I was out to enjoy a bottle of beer, I remember that on my receipt for payment, I saw that there was an addition for VAT on my drink. It is the same with the services rendered by some other outlets, so even if you are not rich yet or even working, there is still some tax that you pay.


In our country, we are pretty much having an extra benefits compared to most other countries, which the government keep imposing taxes on their properties, their cars, houses and even their Bitcoin/Crypto Investments, all these are not worth being taxed despite the benefits of raising finance to help the government to developing the country. Every country has a natural resources and I think it's high time the government should invest into those sectors so as to be able to lessen the taxes, the poor and average citizens are finding it difficult to keep up even the wealthy in some countries are heavily taxed on their hard earned wealth.

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June 09, 2024, 09:34:47 PM
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What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.

So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.


I think people always see the fault of the government, but it is not always the case that the government is at fault because many things are to be considered. For example, in some countries, you can pay tax for your vehicle, housing, or business, so a poor man who is looking for something to survive will not have all this. Most of those properties, because poor people leave in a rented apartment and the tax on that apartment will be paid by the owner, not those that rent it, so will you say that the government only focuses on the rich and forgets the poor?

That is the main reason you will see most rich people have too much debt and loan not because they don’t have the money, but because they just want to use the strategy to stay away from tax. So in this situation, even the poor people do pay tax, but not as much as the rich do. That is why you always see the rich are the ones paying the tax but not the poor, so don’t think that the poor have no use for the government. Everyone is useful to the government because the government is for the people. 

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June 09, 2024, 10:34:56 PM
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Taxes are general, put on basic things like, income, purchases, social amenities, so rich or not rich everyone pays taxes. In most cases as one gets richer they get more financially aware and can afford to use tax loopholes that exist, meaning the not so rich may be paying more in taxes relative to what they are earning.

The rules may be flipped in your country depending on what economic policies are in place, but for majority of countries, taxes are paid across the board.
Exactly. Taxes are mandatory. However, if you have low paying job, you are also obliged to pay a small amount of tax, but if you are working as an executive or any high paying position, you will also pay a bigger tax. As long as you declare your source of income whether it’s kind of business or job, rest assured that the government will obliged you to pay your tax on time. That’s how paying tax in our country is never a voluntary but a mandatory instead.

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I do not know about other countries but in my country, politics has compromised the economy growth with equity.
As the transition of power evolves, the value of the citizens are depreciated in the eyes of the governments which now optimizes citizens to rely living in fortitude of bravery and accepting challenges so that we don't give it all up hopelessly.

We fight it out by ourselves like there is no government to provide us with some basic amenities and quite better to be called "a daylight robbery or extortion" that once individuals has struggled to make productive differences from the economy slavery chain of the government, you would be will assigned to revenue on taxations.

My question.... If the government could find utilizations on the citizens for taxations on generating funds for infrastructures and other government services , why don't they invest on the citizens or support those with the potentials to productiveness knowing quite well that once they makes success, they would be demanded to also contributed to the growing structures of the economy?
What the government knows is that if a successful individual refuses to comply with the government order, they will get you frustrated tending to fold your productiveness qualities or you go to jail.
Grew up to understand that tax payment is an obligation on the part of the citizens to their country's government and not a thing of an option or choice in as much as you're due for it, be it a salary earner or business.

It's a sad reality that the performance of the government to their social, economic and political responsibility is lacking in this part of our world but we still have to pay our tax as it's the only way we can continue to have a right to demand and  hold them accountable. A man that doesn't pay tax doesn't have a right to demand for social amenities only when you're a tax payer that's when you can boldly criticize and drag the government for certain failures and mismanagement.

Now make i enter broken cause wetin I wan talk na about the worwor side of us.  Me notice am say the main reason why many of we Nigerians no dey fit stand up to drag the government for accountability be say  we no sabi pay tax, plenty people the hide from paying, so them mouth no fit strong in terms of demanding responsibility and accountability from the government, and the few wey the pay no go fit fight this fight fully.

Although I know say e get certain indirect taxes we dey pay for certain services we use but apart from those the direct ones we dey like run from am so e go hard make tuna fully work well as we dey think am.
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So, why don't they tax the poor who barely struggle to eat?:Simply because they found those set of citizens useless and the prison will be occupied if charge them for not paying taxes since there are more Poor people than the rich in the society.
Just to correct a statement, the poor people in society are not useless. I learnt that somewhere.



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I think people always see the fault of the government, but it is not always the case that the government is at fault because many things are to be considered. For example, in some countries, you can pay tax for your vehicle, housing, or business, so a poor man who is looking for something to survive will not have all this. Most of those properties, because poor people leave in a rented apartment and the tax on that apartment will be paid by the owner, not those that rent it, so will you say that the government only focuses on the rich and forgets the poor?

This is something different since you know that you can only pay tax on what you own. Then definitely paying tax for a house you rent should not be your responsibility because you are not the owner; you stay there as rent, not yours, so for this, the owner of the house is the one to pay. You don’t have to include house rent in things like this since the tenant is not the owner of the house, so he won’t be the one to pay tax. However, even if the government did not collect tax from a poor person who rents a house, it is not a big deal on a normal basis; they were not suppose to collect since the house is not their property.

But if a poor person can buy a house, a car, or anything else that a country's government collects tax from, they will definitely collect it from them too, no doubt, so to me, just because the government is not collecting tax from tenants doesn’t mean they are also pitying them. Is it not their responsibility to pay that tax? If not, the government won’t look at how poor they are; they will pay for it. 

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