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August 25, 2024, 02:03:02 AM
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Here is the big point. If we get rid of religion, we will have to get rid of what is called science. Why? Because much of it is just religion.

All of your big points are based on false information.   Science is the process of proving something.   Religion cannot be proven because it exists individually in each mind you cannot test it.

Instead of quoting useless scripture - why not try and explain your ignorance?   If you have evidence no one else has, please share it.

In 900 years we absolutely could be living on the moons of Jupiter.  Again, science.

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August 25, 2024, 12:43:42 PM
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In some places around the world where the religion were adopted such as in Africa, there have been alot of misconception and confusion about the true nature of those religions, and that is why some of the leaders have chosen religion as a tool to deceive and oppressed the poor and the needy, now religion is more of business and the leader have turn their members into money making scheme, and this have been the issue for a while now, and that also have affected the relate and level of development in those countries, religious war have been on the increased lately and that have affected the entire security structure of the nations, much more also the politicians have chosen religious house's as a tool to winning election lately also this have been noted as one of the major issues lately with religion and it role in the society today.

What you say is exactly what is happening in my country. Politicians are using religion to serve their political careers as well as their business. Because spirituality is something that people never have to pay dearly or cheaply for, even willing to sacrifice everything without a doubt. Not to mention, followers of this religion also speak ill of other religions, even causing discord among family members when family members do not share the same religion.
It can be said that nowadays, any religion has too many problems, everything is no longer going in the right direction as the original purpose for which it was born, everything becomes distorted.

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August 25, 2024, 10:49:54 PM
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^^^ Actually, true religion has one purpose... to save the souls of people for a new Heaven and a new Earth.

People don't realize the power that God is. This Earth and universe is going down like the Titanic did. Death of people who believe in Jesus-salvation is the way god is using to save them.

All the infiltration of religion by politically minded factions doesn't stop God from reaching people for salvation. God uses whatever happens in politics to reach people.

Help God to reach souls for Jesus. Do evangelism work. Your time in this life is short. You will be blessed in the hereafter for whatever work you do for God.

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August 25, 2024, 11:27:19 PM
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^^^ Actually, true religion has one purpose... to save the souls of people for a new Heaven and a new Earth.

People don't realize the power that God is. This Earth and universe is going down like the Titanic did. Death of people who believe in Jesus-salvation is the way god is using to save them.

All the infiltration of religion by politically minded factions doesn't stop God from reaching people for salvation. God uses whatever happens in politics to reach people.

Help God to reach souls for Jesus. Do evangelism work. Your time in this life is short. You will be blessed in the hereafter for whatever work you do for God.

I apologize for stating you were going off false information without following up.  If you were not repeatedly told that two men can create children, would you believe it?   Consider all that you believe, and realize you wouldn't believe it if it wasn't repeated for you ad nauseum like an AI learning model.  

Try staying away from the material a few weeks.   Go out with normal people, experience what nature can do.   I guarantee you that your mind will find a crack in the propaganda that will lead to your true salvation.   Like is short and it shouldn't be wasted following someone else's dream.

Now, take the sunglasses off and re-read.  I have a feeling they help you hide your ignorance.  Sad

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August 25, 2024, 11:32:45 PM
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^^^ Actually, true religion has one purpose... to save the souls of people for a new Heaven and a new Earth.

People don't realize the power that God is. This Earth and universe is going down like the Titanic did. Death of people who believe in Jesus-salvation is the way god is using to save them.

All the infiltration of religion by politically minded factions doesn't stop God from reaching people for salvation. God uses whatever happens in politics to reach people.

Help God to reach souls for Jesus. Do evangelism work. Your time in this life is short. You will be blessed in the hereafter for whatever work you do for God.

I apologize for stating you were going off false information without following up.  If you were not repeatedly told that two men can create children, would you believe it?   Consider all that you believe, and realize you wouldn't believe it if it wasn't repeated for you ad nauseum like an AI learning model.  

Try staying away from the material a few weeks.   Go out with normal people, experience what nature can do.   I guarantee you that your mind will find a crack in the propaganda that will lead to your true salvation.   Like is short and it shouldn't be wasted following someone else's dream.

Now, take the sunglasses off and re-read.  I have a feeling they help you hide your ignorance.  Sad

Precisely the point. Like you are what you eat, you believe what you hear. So, try switching your 'hearing' for a few weeks and see if your beliefs change a little.

But then go back and see what is backed up by fact.

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August 26, 2024, 01:11:20 AM
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Precisely the point. Like you are what you eat, you believe what you hear. So, try switching your 'hearing' for a few weeks and see if your beliefs change a little.

But then go back and see what is backed up by fact.

Cool

OK, let's pick one thing you are forced to believe in.   Then we'll examine the facts.

Of course, your brainwashing will not allow you to do this, and you are more than likely to ignore me yet again.

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August 27, 2024, 08:45:58 AM
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Can the world be a better place without religion?

Our world is run by humans and the world is getting worse because of human greed. So even if religion disappeared, the world would not become a better place. As long as humans continue to destroy nature, wage wars, and conduct a series of experiments that cause more destruction to the earth, our world will one day soon be destroyed. Don't try to blame anything when the world is getting worse while we are the ones who caused it.

Human behavior, the way humans treat others and the world based on greed, jealousy and selfishness is destroying this world.

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August 27, 2024, 02:50:15 PM
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With or without religion is same.

Although we currently see there are many naive and dumb people who always follow what the "holy people" do since they think he's always right, but this problem isn't caused by the religion, but they're the problem.

Because I see there are many stupid people are following what their role model e.g. Youtubers, influencers etc doing even though they're not selling their religion.

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August 27, 2024, 09:14:40 PM
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With or without religion is same.

Although we currently see there are many naive and dumb people who always follow what the "holy people" do since they think he's always right, but this problem isn't caused by the religion, but they're the problem.

Because I see there are many stupid people are following what their role model e.g. Youtubers, influencers etc doing even though they're not selling their religion.
True. OP says religious people cause problems and conflicts in the world, however, it's also worth to mention there are people who hate religions causing problems in society. The dogmatic fanatics and heretic misbelievers are clashing among themselves constantly, but it seems all of them are problematic, just using the religions to escape from their personal frustrations and internal conflicts. As consequence, of course they will bring negative consequences for society, as the society becomes the cesspool where they deposit all their frustrations, infecting unwarned people around.

The problem are the extremes. Religion is benefical and necessary for many people, since it's practiced in a reasonable and sensible way which helps believers developing themselves as better individuals. The extremism inside religions (with the exception of psycho outbreaks) is usually related to the idolization of a human leader, instead of worship to God.

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With or without religion is same.

Although we currently see there are many naive and dumb people who always follow what the "holy people" do since they think he's always right, but this problem isn't caused by the religion, but they're the problem.

Because I see there are many stupid people are following what their role model e.g. Youtubers, influencers etc doing even though they're not selling their religion.
True. OP says religious people cause problems and conflicts in the world, however, it's also worth to mention there are people who hate religions causing problems in society. The dogmatic fanatics and heretic misbelievers are clashing among themselves constantly, but it seems all of them are problematic, just using the religions to escape from their personal frustrations and internal conflicts. As consequence, of course they will bring negative consequences for society, as the society becomes the cesspool where they deposit all their frustrations, infecting unwarned people around.

The problem are the extremes. Religion is benefical and necessary for many people, since it's practiced in a reasonable and sensible way which helps believers developing themselves as better individuals. The extremism inside religions (with the exception of psycho outbreaks) is usually related to the idolization of a human leader, instead of worship to God.

That's a nice religion you express there. It only increases difficulty. What difficulty? The difficulty in determining which religion is the right one... or at least the best one.

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August 28, 2024, 10:13:52 PM
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OK, let's pick one thing you are forced to believe in.   Then we'll examine the facts.
Of course, your brainwashing will not allow you to do this, and you are more than likely to ignore me yet again.

I was correct about the brainwashing, wasn't I?    Wink

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August 28, 2024, 10:24:20 PM
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That's a nice religion you express there. It only increases difficulty. What difficulty? The difficulty in determining which religion is the right one... or at least the best one.

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As far as I know, religions are humans' creations. Therefore, all of them are imperfect, although there are some which may approach more the truth than others. It's indeed a difficult task to determine which religion is the best one, or if there is a best one. I believe it's a continuous reflective process which only you can do for yourself in order to find the answer...

And who knows, maybe God operates through a decentralized system instead of a centralized one. A decentralized system where there are universal rules which apply to every existing human beings, despite them being from religion A or B. That is, what really matters is your conduct in daily life, and not if you swore loyalty to a determined religion.

On the other hand, religions are centralized systems, in an attempt to be a middleman between the individual and God.

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August 29, 2024, 04:42:21 PM
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Precisely the point. Like you are what you eat, you believe what you hear. So, try switching your 'hearing' for a few weeks and see if your beliefs change a little.

But then go back and see what is backed up by fact.

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OK, let's pick one thing you are forced to believe in.   Then we'll examine the facts.

Of course, your brainwashing will not allow you to do this, and you are more than likely to ignore me yet again.

Who is forced to believe in anything? There are only two things that people might be forced to believe in... great pain if it happens to them, or great joy. All the rest of things they can condition themselves to believe or not believe.

The evidence for the Bible being the Word of God is great:
1. By far the greatest number of books sold;
2. Dead Sea Scrolls show that there is little change in it from before 250 BC;
3. Started around 1,500 BC;
4. Held and maintained as truth (the Old Testament) by some of the most stubborn people in the world, the people of Israel;
5. Not everything in it proven to be factual, but nothing proven not factual;
6. Strength in its words and phrases so that there are millions upon millions of believers;
7. Upheld as truth by Islam and the Hadiths;
8. Freedom within to believe or not believe.

Why freedom? Because that is what God is all about in this life. Everything will be sorted out at the time of the Judgment on the last day.

Personally, while it would be in your best interest to believe, I don't want you to believe until the Father makes faith available to you in the way that it fits who you are.

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All my life, I have been living in a society made up of different religions and beliefs. Trying to bring into reality a world without religion is what can't be done because religion has existed right from the onset, and people were okay with it, living happily with it. Thinking of a world without religion is unthinkable considering the way religion has impacted our lives and belief

 
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A person can guess the future. A person might be right in his/her guesses. But there comes a time when he/she will make a mistake.

Religion has to do with looking at and believing in things, even when we are prone to guessing wrong about them.

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Here is the big point. If we get rid of religion, we will have to get rid of what is called science. Why? Because much of it is just religion.

All of your big points are based on false information.   Science is the process of proving something.   Religion cannot be proven because it exists individually in each mind you cannot test it.

Instead of quoting useless scripture - why not try and explain your ignorance?   If you have evidence no one else has, please share it.

In 900 years we absolutely could be living on the moons of Jupiter.  Again, science.

Lol. Ignorant upon ignorant. Science didn't come out of nothing. The basis of science are rooted down to religion. I know the relationship between Science and Religion is a topic of continued debate in philosophy and theology so the assertions made by the early reply cannot be baseless or useless as you mentioned.

 Religion has crafted a foundational element  in the development of scientific thoughts, historically. Many scientists of the earliest and ancient civilizations such as the Greeks and Egyptians derived their motivations from religious scriptures and wordings they met. Such scriptures brought about the intuition which led to many scientific discoveries.
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All my life, I have been living in a society made up of different religions and beliefs. Trying to bring into reality a world without religion is what can't be done because religion has existed right from the onset, and people were okay with it, living happily with it. Thinking of a world without religion is unthinkable considering the way religion has impacted our lives and belief

The best history in the world came from religion and believers learn it... They have a lifestyle with a pattern that tries to emulate the life of people in the stories they were told. So, religion won't make the world a better place, the world will become better, if people decide not to copy other people's lifestyle.

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Personally, while it would be in your best interest to believe, I don't want you to believe until the Father makes faith available to you in the way that it fits who you are.

It would be in your best interest to believe in climate change, since that is based on fact.  It is in no one's best interest to base life decisions off faith, which is belief despite lack of evidence.  

The things you describe in your points are facts, they don't need faith, but none of them prove a man, unaware of females, created the human race.  

Ignorant upon ignorant. Science didn't come out of nothing. The basis of science are rooted down to religion.

Someone noticed water flows downhill before they asked the gods to send more of it.

Ignorance is lack of knowledge.   Now you have learned something.  Smiley

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The world is encapsulated with so many religion embedded with different doctrines, teaching and belief which have affected our sense of reasoning in different ways. Religion has raised serious concern to mankind especially in terms of sociopolitical and economic coexistence. The major cause of insecurity in most part of the world today is the problem of economic and religion supremacy where everyone seen to uphold their religion with virtue and in a high esteem and even considered it to be the only true region and the only way to salvation and internity thereby condemning or seeing other religion as fake. So therefore, considering the problem associated with religion differences in world today, I think the world would have be a better place without religion.
I do not agree with your opinion.  Because it is impossible to think about the world without religion.  i am muslim  I respect my religion.  We believe in God because God created us.  According to you saying world without religion is denying the creator.  Religion teaches us morality.  Moral education makes our life and world beautiful.  If there is no religion then people will not hesitate to do bad things.  As far as I know every religion mentions reward for good deeds and punishment for bad deeds.  So for me thinking of a beautiful world without religion is completely baseless.

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We believe in God because God created us. 

That cannot be what the muslim religion believes; that is circular nonsense. 

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