Should this forum ban the use of chatbots and AI entirely?

[_BlackStar]

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I've seen quite a lot of tools wrongly detect a post as AI generated, when it actually isn't. I know you can say it has to pass through several tools before a conclusion can be reached, but if one tool is saying it isn't AI generated and another is saying it is, the accused user has an argument and banning them outrightly might not be possible. Using AI chatbot to post can only attract the same punishment as plagiarism, if it can be completely proven that the post is AI generated without any false positives.

Sometimes what you say is true - however, if an AI detection tool says it's an AI-generated post, then it's most likely true. You can use some detection tools as used by some users in this thread - so this will prevent you from making the wrong decision that someone is posting with AI.

I think @nutildah and @lovesmayfamilis and some other user are pretty good at this. Check out their work in the thread I referenced below:

1. AI Spam Report Reference Thread

[lovesmayfamilis]

In that case, the administration should take a position that would be clear, and if everyone (or the majority) shares your opinion, then it should not happen that some members, even after several dozen reported posts do not receive even a temporary ban due to the use of AI. If using AI inappropriately is the same as plagiarism, I guess the punishment should be the same.

I've seen quite a lot of tools wrongly detect a post as AI generated, when it actually isn't. I know you can say it has to pass through several tools before a conclusion can be reached, but if one tool is saying it isn't AI generated and another is saying it is, the accused user has an argument and banning them outrightly might not be possible. Using AI chatbot to post can only attract the same punishment as plagiarism, if it can be completely proven that the post is AI generated without any false positives.

If you were observant, as _BlackStar rightly pointed out, you would see that we use several tools to identify posts written by AI, and only based on their overall output can a person be accused of using a chatbot. Moreover, by checking a huge number of posts, those who use these tools can even determine at a glance whether a person wrote the text himself or not.
Today, there are already tools that give accurate results, and after testing, all other tools also show AI texts. In addition, you can always check the posts of several people for comparison and make sure that all other posts will be identified as written by a person. But messages from a person accused of using AI will still be identified as being written by a bot.

If the forum is indifferent to those who use AI to write posts, then the forum will turn into a place where robots communicate with each other, losing the meaning of communication and humanity.

As children, we often played with dolls and talked to them. Is anyone ready to look like a child talking to a robot while naively thinking that it is a person?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.

I'm having trouble imagining under what kind of circumstances the use of AI would be alright in the context of making posts here.  You might have some ideas, but we both know that any tool that would allow retarded shitposters to make coherent posts that they'd otherwise not be able to form with their own brains would be abused to no end.  And if exceptions are made, then members who get banned are going to appeal in Meta and it's going to be an enormous shit show.

I say make a rule forbidding any use of AI programs that aid in generation of posts--unless there are very clear exceptions that make sense.  Unless there's a rule like that, this forum is in serious trouble.  How long do y'all think it'll be until it's just AI bots appearing to make posts related to whatever topic a thread is about?  It won't be long, so 1) we need firm rules, and 2) those rules need to be enforced mercilessly. 

It wasn't so long ago that the quality of "discussion" being had on bitcointalk dropped so low that Theymos came up with the merit system.  AI tools in the hands of greedy scumbags who can't write will make that problem seem like a temporarily glitched pixel.

[Lucius]

If using AI inappropriately is the same as plagiarism, I guess the punishment should be the same.

I see a problem though. Plagiarism can be proved with concrete evidences but it is not going to be easy to bring concrete prove against AI written texts. The tools we saw that developed are not 100% reliable too. You are likely to response to a false positive and a user may receive a punishment that he does not deserve.

A permanent ban is never issued hastily, even when it comes to cases where plagiarism is more than evident. The same method would also be applied when assessing whether someone used AI or not, and regardless of the fact that AI detecting tools are not 100% accurate, the use of AI can be determined with great certainty through the detection of several posts of specific user with multiple tools. There can always be mistakes, but if you look at the AI ​​Spam Report Reference Thread, you will hardly find a case where this was the case.

What, in my opinion, is the biggest problem is actually the lack of rules regarding the use of AI on the forum, and if you don't have rules, then some members obviously think that they can write their posts with the help of AI.

[coin-investor]

It's been two days and three pages on his thread, and he still hasn't shown it; I got it. Maybe he is trying to get the best answers to his AI and chatbot figuring out the best defense for his question.
Should this forum entirely ban the use of chatbots and AI?

When you rely on AI and chatbots, you're not trusting your logic and opinion. If you used to rely on AI and chatbots for your answers even without copy-pasting only for output, you are giving yourself an edge over the members of this forum, which is not right.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

A permanent ban is never issued hastily, even when it comes to cases where plagiarism is more than evident.

I can not remember it for a permanent ban but as far as I can remember there were some cases where members were temp ban for small mistakes like joining a giveaway thread which was not a giveaway thread but it looked like a giveaway thread and things like that.

What, in my opinion, is the biggest problem is actually the lack of rules regarding the use of AI on the forum, and if you don't have rules, then some members obviously think that they can write their posts with the help of AI.

First of all we need a clear clause to add in the unofficial rules, then we can think about the rest.

[knowngunman]

Do you mean you have been using your chatbot to detect those who are involved in scamming? If so, how is that being done?
 
AI usage is just equal to plagiarism, and if you make use of a chatbot to get any information and you want to share it with the public (I mean with forum members in this forum), you can equally do that as long as you can give credit that you got your data from the chatbot.

I guess that will be okay. At least you let the people know that this is where you get your information from other than placing it as your findings and trying to outsmart others.

That part caught my attention as well because he  also said that he uses it to provide arguments against scammers and wonder whether people debate with scammers now when they are supposed to cut off the conversation as soon as they notice suspicious behavior.

On several occasions, the issues concerning the usage of AI has been discussed and addressed before and there is a thread(s) where such posts are being reported. Everyone is familiar with internet and can have access to these technological tools if interested. I would advise to suggest the use of chat bots to a user who’s in need of help than to do that on their behalf and give reference link. One might be carried away sometimes and would probably forget to get a reference link.

[GxSTxV]

What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum?

I believe it's not fair when someone without any efforts can post and perform better than someone who puts immense effort into creating high quality posts, topics and sharing his large knowledge in this field. Imagine someone joined years ago and being a long time participant in the Bitcoin and crypto community, making much effort and contributing to discussions and building a reputation on Bitcointalk. Then, within a few months someone using ChatGPT and AI tools just surpassing you that easy, gaining more recognition and opportunities for jobs and trades, without much efforts.

Isn't it unfair for someone to earn credibility in a field they have no genuine understanding of? Recently, I started a topic in our local section about some members who don't even speak our language or belong to that local region, yet they posted topics and received many merits ( even from me), they were using translation services and probably AI tools also to create posts. Meanwhile, some serious members are doing their best to keep the board with quality posts, meaningful topics and educational content.

I am definitely against the use of AI for creating posts, and not admitting or mentioning its use.

[xLays]

I think this topic has been discussed many times. Same responses, different dates and usernames. It's like, just let it be. Let them post and if you think the poster is AI generated, then report it. Let the forum moderator decide if the post should be deleted.

Always remember this from the report note:

Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.

[AVE5]

It's been two days and three pages on his thread, and he still hasn't shown it; I got it. Maybe he is trying to get the best answers to his AI and chatbot figuring out the best defense for his question.
Should this forum entirely ban the use of chatbots and AI?

When you rely on AI and chatbots, you're not trusting your logic and opinion. If you used to rely on AI and chatbots for your answers even without copy-pasting only for output, you are giving yourself an edge over the members of this forum, which is not right.

It really feels irritating how a forum user could be boasting about being a critical thinker to solve problems or how you'd be unique to the quest where there're many others when they relies their abilities on AI or bots.
If the use of AI or chatbosts were enabled in the forum, the literally this forum wouldn't be relevant because we can also clear our doubts and findings through the AIs while in our respective being without the forum.
Hence, this forum is trying to profer advanced ideals from users by their logical contributes that's why chatbots or the AI isn't permitted here.