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June 30, 2024, 11:07:39 AM
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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.


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June 30, 2024, 12:21:35 PM
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AI is widespread, and I believe that it will continue growing, and so will automation in general. However, that doesn't mean negative consequences for the workforce and the economy. The last World Economic Forum report states that automation is happening, but at a much slower pace than anticipated. The current level of automation of business-related tasks is 34%, which is significantly below the prediction of 47% automation by 2025. Also, with new technologies come new jobs and new demand, and we've seen it happen many times in the past. People just need to learn to be more adaptable and to be ready to learn new skills to get new jobs, and things will be fine.

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June 30, 2024, 12:29:49 PM
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1. There are many jobs that can be automated, still, in a big number of countries it would be more expensive (for a while) to acquire robots for the job(s) than pay humans.
2. While AI can help a lot in many cases, for now, at least the AI I've encountered it pretty much has no idea what is doing (can give answers, but doesn't understand what is that or what is behind that).
3. AI has no imagination. Randomly stitching together information that's available is no imagination, sorry. On the other hand, although many don't realize that, many human tasks / jobs require some imagination.

All this being said, yes, AI and robots are a threat for everybody who is doing repetitive work, especially as the price of hardware tends to decrease over time and wages tend to go up.
But imho most of the people smart enough to have found this forum... AI and robots are not a problem, they're more a tool; at least for the next 5-10 years from now.

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June 30, 2024, 12:40:10 PM
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The backpedaling of AI products has already set in.
AI is plainly immature, way too early and way to costly. Its an advantage to those who offer products non AI.
Servers non Clould which also do not deliver what was advertised.
Non web3 as that is just a buzzword.   

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June 30, 2024, 12:44:01 PM
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In as much as the use of AI is advancing day by day, there are still some certain things and activities that will really requires the supervision of humans. The use of AI cannot take over all part of the world no matter how rapid it might grow. Also, there are still some undeveloped countries which are still advancing in technologies today. So no need for panic over the use of AI.
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June 30, 2024, 12:50:58 PM
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In as much as the use of AI is advancing day by day, there are still some certain things and activities that will really requires the supervision of humans. The use of AI cannot take over all part of the world no matter how rapid it might grow. Also, there are still some undeveloped countries which are still advancing in technologies today. So no need for panic over the use of AI.
There was a topic discussed in this forum where Elon Musk predicted that  AI will put an end to work . Watching this video has proved that many millions of jobs will be lost because of this new technology. Although this fast food is still in its experimental stage and not open to customers it shows how the future will play out.

Some economists claim that that was how it was predicted that new technologies such as the internet, automobiles, tractors, etc would cause unemployment but it ended up creating more jobs. However other schools of thought believe that the job loss AI will cause will be so massive that the sector might not be able to create jobs that will reduce the rate of job loss.

With customers still craving for human relationships and interaction and the cost of installing these Artificial intelligence machines I doubt if it will become popular in my country in many years. Customers still want to have discussions with humans and these tools might not be able to give humans that satisfaction. I also think that many organizations might not adopt AI because humans are creative and innovative which can contribute positively to the organization's growth. System failure can lead to disruption in AI production or service but humans can always improvise.

However, workers should devise means of gaining additional skills that will make them employable if they lose their jobs. They can also seek ways of integrating AI into their task to make it cheaper and easier.

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June 30, 2024, 04:10:31 PM
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If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?


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June 30, 2024, 04:47:01 PM
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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.
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If we do speak about changes then this is something that would really be that inevitable and we are living in a world on which technology isnt something that would really be that constant or static but rather
it would really be that dynamic on which it would really be that something will really be understandable that sooner or later on which everything would really be always that automated and this is something which is inevitable and there's nothing we can do about that. When we do speak about precision and making out some comparison in between a human worker and a robot then there's no doubt that robots would really be doing much more better work and precision. Whereas, people or humans would really be that having those cons too but we do know that not all industries would really be tending to switch up and this would really be
just that applicable into those companies which would really be able to afford up these robots as we do know that these wont really be that cheap. Therefore, you could really be able to tell that not everything
would really be having such change but rather it would really be that selective.

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June 30, 2024, 04:52:55 PM
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AI is a double edged sword and this is common sense since ages op. How? AI automates many manual activities making life easier for people around the world, but it replaces some of the workforce too causing job losses.

Some people focus more on the good part while some others focus more on the bad part. Whatever the case, AI is already taking over the world slowly and steadily for better or for worse.

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June 30, 2024, 06:25:58 PM
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In as much as the use of AI is advancing day by day, there are still some certain things and activities that will really requires the supervision of humans. The use of AI cannot take over all part of the world no matter how rapid it might grow. Also, there are still some undeveloped countries which are still advancing in technologies today. So no need for panic over the use of AI.
There was a topic discussed in this forum where Elon Musk predicted that  AI will put an end to work . Watching this video has proved that many millions of jobs will be lost because of this new technology. Although this fast food is still in its experimental stage and not open to customers it shows how the future will play out.

Some economists claim that that was how it was predicted that new technologies such as the internet, automobiles, tractors, etc would cause unemployment but it ended up creating more jobs. However other schools of thought believe that the job loss AI will cause will be so massive that the sector might not be able to create jobs that will reduce the rate of job loss.

With customers still craving for human relationships and interaction and the cost of installing these Artificial intelligence machines I doubt if it will become popular in my country in many years. Customers still want to have discussions with humans and these tools might not be able to give humans that satisfaction. I also think that many organizations might not adopt AI because humans are creative and innovative which can contribute positively to the organization's growth. System failure can lead to disruption in AI production or service but humans can always improvise.

However, workers should devise means of gaining additional skills that will make them employable if they lose their jobs. They can also seek ways of integrating AI into their task to make it cheaper and easier.
From what you have said, it can be understood that we cannot reject the development of AI which could threaten the survival of workers in various employment sectors, because they are cheaper and easier to operate. However, I believe that humans can go hand in hand and adapt to AI developments in the future, even though on the other hand some jobs have the potential to be completely taken over by AI. Meanwhile, I am sure that AI developments will spread to all countries and will be very popular, but humans will still be the mainstay in various work sectors.

AI doesn't have feelings, and AI can't improvise, that's its weak point. Apart from that, AI cannot solve complex problems, in many cases AI has more limitations than humans. However, I agree that we must continue to learn to hone our skills and master roles that cannot be displaced by future AI developments. Meanwhile, the benefits of AI are actually very large, especially the efficiency of faster time in doing things.

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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

That's not AI, it's just a robot.
There is no difference between that thing and these:
https://youtu.be/P7fi4hP_y80?t=124
There is no "intelligence" between them, just like the welding robots in the video I linked it has a set of instructions to decide what to do, nothing more, it can't act on its own or correct its own mistake without restarting completing and trashing everything he has done previously. Also, he can't learn so if there is a thing that is broken in his setup he will keep burning those fries over and over.

Some economists claim that that was how it was predicted that new technologies such as the internet, automobiles, tractors, etc would cause unemployment but it ended up creating more jobs. However other schools of thought believe that the job loss AI will cause will be so massive that the sector might not be able to create jobs that will reduce the rate of job loss.

We were 2 billion when the machines were supposed to take all our jobs, yet we reached 8 billion and we kept on going, AI/Robotics comes at a time when the population will enter a downtrend anyhow so even at its most extreme the impact will be limited.

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June 30, 2024, 07:56:50 PM
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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.

There is a lot of hype around artificial intelligence right now and these things can often generate bubbles. There's no doubt that things like ChatGPT are showing very impressive advances which are displacing some jobs, but all those people can go on to specialize in other fields. You have to stay dynamic in order to be competitive in this world and throughout history we have seen jobs becoming obsolete, so it is nothing new. AI still seems in it's infancy in terms of what it can do and is often handicapped by it's own creators in many ways, like inherent biases it picks up while learning from the internet. The contract workers issue you describe is probably more related to offshoring than it is to AI, so be careful when you target your frustration.

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AI is unstoppable, as technology is. Humans have to adapt to it and reorganize themselves, like they have always did along the history of humanity. The concerns you bring here are the same concerns people had between the transition from the agrarian, rural societies to the industrial ones, and the fact that craftsmanship would be replaced by automatic machines, so the artisans would lose their jobs and income. The same we see now with AI revolution.

It's not possible to say what will happen in the future, but it's possible new concepts and categories of jobs are created and become available, so the market can absorb the exceeding labor force available. At same time, another kinds of jobs and professions will disappear to be totally replaced by machines.

And it sounds really good, because nobody wants to have as professional career to fry potatoes at the MC Donalds for their whole lives. If it's possible a machine does that, let it be. Meanwhile the person who worked there before can occupy his time with something more rewarding and fulfilling.

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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.
As AI gets more powerful, those at the top will need to figure out a way to make this work, because it is easy to think that business owners will replace all their workers, but without those workers getting any income, who do they expect to buy their products? So they will be negatively impacted by AI too, it is just that they do not see it yet, so trying to make an economy work under those conditions is not going to be easy, as it is something we have never encountered in our whole history, so we have no previous examples we can use to guide our efforts.
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I believe people had discussions like this when the internet was coming up years ago. There may have been those who would have been scared that the internet would take jobs away because the job of 10-20 people can be done by one person, but instead, the internet turned out to create more jobs instead of taking jobs away.
I believe artificial intelligence is not so different.

First of all, the Internet is way cheaper than AI, any business can afford the Internet, and most individuals in the world have access to the Internet, but what percentage of the world would have access to AI which is very expensive.
Using an AI to do a job in a restaurant or hotel, for example, might even be more expensive than hiring a staff. The world is a long way from having AI in jobs is a normal thing, that day might come, but not soon and before that day comes the world would be ready, it would have evolved beyond what we know it as today.

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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.
As AI gets more powerful, those at the top will need to figure out a way to make this work, because it is easy to think that business owners will replace all their workers, but without those workers getting any income, who do they expect to buy their products? So they will be negatively impacted by AI too, it is just that they do not see it yet, so trying to make an economy work under those conditions is not going to be easy, as it is something we have never encountered in our whole history, so we have no previous examples we can use to guide our efforts.
Business owners would really be thinking up the ff:

1. Cost efficient
2. Precision
3. Duration or fast execution

Then they would really be switching up or would integrate Robots if they would be seeing such advantage. Lets just accept the fact that this world would really be bound to changes
and sooner or later those old traditional ways would really be replaced by something new and something which is more faster and convenient or something which would really be that relevant.
On the moment that these businessowners would really be taking up that kind of advantage or something that would be beneficial then of course they would really be going for that option.
For those who are really that will be affected then there's nothing we can do about that but to find for another job.

There would really be still those companies who would really be still needing human skills or labor to do the job. Not everything would really be handled out
by automation but actually we would really be heading there.

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June 30, 2024, 10:04:04 PM
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I saw a video on my social media there's a restaurant that using AI and almost 100% automated, I thought it's a new video, but actually it has been around for six months.

If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?

I'm not sure if this happen in your country or not, but in my country most companies don't want to make their employees become permanent workers anymore, they only want contract workers because the companies don't have to give compensation to fired contract workers.

I understand that permanent workers are just a "myth", but if the companies suffer bad financial and want to reduce the employees, they would fire the contract workers first, so permanent workers are safer.


Well, FYI this is not just AI, it also a robot that has been on the works for very long time for example in the car manufacturing plant it does it's job which is predefined to it and this robot must be similar kind.

But I read an article that in the next 10 years we may have robot in our kitchen that can cook anything that we select from the menu which means maids may not longer get hired but this all just a part of the evolution and it's inevitable.

Companies don't work for humanity they just work for profits so if they have an alternative that can be less expensive then there is no surprise they will go into that and I assume it's in the hands of policy makers now to how much level these can be accepted or they are gonna sell us out like they always do.

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I don't believe that the invent of AI is going to render humans jobless and make the world a worse place as you are imagining. When there's a new technology, it usually creates a different kind of opportunity for humans. In the olden days, there was a lack of modern technology and machines to do some jobs, but as the world got better with new technology and other machines being invested, there was a need to hire or employ individuals that were going to handle those machines that were being invested to make human activities easier. It's artificial intelligence we are talking about; it doesn't have brains like humans, and there is always an elastic limit to what a technology can do.

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In terms of efficiency and if AI can actually do jobs properly then yes, they definitely can. They'd probably just need some minimum amount of personnel to handle some issues whenever a situation outside what AI knows happens. Sadly I don't think they're at that point or even close to it yet. They're more of a tool of sorts right now. I'd say whatever you see in the internet right now with these showcases are more of AIs made for that, as a showcase. Not for real world use yet.

I'd expect a major shift in the aspects related to economy though since there's a LOT of workforce that AI can replace and if they were, then the economy could stagnate since the cash inflow would pretty much stop circulating among those commonfolk and would probably just revolve in businesses and the people that manufacture AI. Maybe a lot of new work positions may open up or maybe there's just going to be a company that's going to give out free money every month lol. 

 
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If this trend keep continue, what the world would be? many people will become unemployed and not all people can become engineers. Middle class people will become poor as they don't get decent jobs, will we see a big revolution that the poor to clash against the rich?
That's why people need to upscale. Everyone needs to have specific upgraded skills to survive this tough competitor which is the AI. But take a look at the logic of these AIs. They might operate automatically but there's still a need for them to continue with their development and that means there's a need for developers. There's a need for it to be maintained and that's why there's a need for it to have a maintenance personnel for it to be maintained. While many of the simple tasks will be replaced by AI and the most complex tasks will still be done by us. Well, this is me still thinking of the positivity out of this quick progress of AIs.

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