retiring an account in the age of AI

[vapourminer]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

edit: aside from setting up OTP and setting a password to something ridiculous, then destroying them both. i want something that makes the underlying account useless for taking over in the 1st place.

[LoyceV]

any comments welcome

I don't see the problem: if I leave this place, nobody else has access to my account, and nobody else can use it to post.
Besides, I've been called an AI for years, so I'm pretty sure someone's going to notice the firmware change.

[EL MOHA]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

Although in the issue of faking an original account AI is causing a nuisance but one thing I always say is no matter how the bot is trained to mimic a user an easier give away is the use of natural language, this tool is one way to use to dictate an original account to a fake account.

Your suggestion is quite good but it seems too harsh to me on persons like you. Negative trust is a negative trust a defamation trust to me, why not use the neutral tag instead, or better still admin go extra length to add custom title to the profile like the one on o_e_l_e_o to indicate that the account is retired

[Solosanz]

Why not just create a thread in reputation and announce if you will leave the forum? in case you want to comeback, you need to sign a message from your old address. I think these two things are enough to prove someone ownership.

But, I hope that you're only asking for curiosity, not have a plan to leave...

The forum needs you, because you're one of few merit sources to fairly distribute your sMerit without looking who post it.

[Hazink]

No matter how well they try to train the AI to communicate like a member, it's definitely not going to generate 100% perfection in how the person posts; it's easy to differentiate such posts from how the original person usually posts.
 
I have read a post somewhere where a user tried to train AI to post like a particular user. I guess it was to post like "Franky1," but the result came out negative.  Can't locate the thread link for now.
 
I believe it's not 100% positive to impersonate someone; it will always be noticeable, especially for an account that has gained a reputation on the forum, and users can easily tell how the person communicates.

[Learn Bitcoin]

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

The forum has some better options already.
Option one is to set 2FA and ask theymos to ban your account same as Satoshi, Lauda, and o_e_l_e_o accounts.
Option two is, to create a thread in the reputation section and sign a message from your Bitcoin wallet and this should work as well. You can use PGP messages as well if you want. I would ask someone to use red tag the account as a last option.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

I have the same feelings as others, no matter how well they trained. If they get access to your account somehow and continue to use your account, they will get caught at some point. But, I want to hope that you won't leave the forum unless it's extremely necessary.

[Ivystar5]

why are you so worried about AI impersonation? is your email compromised? or does anyone else have your password? because if its safe and you wish to retire now you can just log out without anyone noticing until it becomes obvious except you have doubts about your email security or password.

Red tags is a good idea but I don't like to see it on someones profile because the impression it has on this forum member is bad people may not even look at the reason behind the tag but as long as it has red tags the user is considered for some reason a violator etc.

[Odohu]

Why not just create a thread in reputation and announce if you will leave the forum? in case you want to comeback, you need to sign a message from your old address. I think these two things are enough to prove someone ownership.

In addition to making a thread in the forum, the suggestion of tagging the account is also great so that the combination of both will render the account useless. I think few persons who left the forum, such as Leo and Lauda, left thread that served the right purpose and till date we have not seen anyone claiming to be them directly or via AI. That to me is a perfect way to go about it unless maybe it happens abruptly, in which case it becomes very difficult to know if such person actually left.

But, I hope that you're only asking for curiosity, not have a plan to leave...

The forum needs you, because you're one of few merit sources to fairly distribute your sMerit without looking who post it.

The tone of the post is that of inquiry and not that of decision. I wouldn't want him to leave yet because he has and continues to play important role in the forum. Like you said, he is definitely among the most generous merit sources who visit several boards distributing merits without looking at the ranks of the posters.

[Poker Player]

It's a long way from being able to do that with an AI, and in the case that it can be done, whoever owns that technology could use it to create hundreds of different accounts that create quality posts and that in about 9 months would be starting to monetize. By then, should that happen, I think the forum would no longer exist or at least not as we know it.

[Upgrade00]

It's not a good sight to have a reputable member leave the forum with bunch of red tags on their account, even if the comment suggests it's only as a precautionary action. Neutral tags will be better but even that should not be necessary; theymos can permanently lock an account and it will be impossible for anyone to access it anytime in the future, it was done for Lauda and more recently o_e_l_e_o.

If no one can access the account the risk of AI impersonation will not matter at all.

[Cryptomultiplier]

I still even think we can differentiate AI from humans, despite the upgrade or expensive integrated algorithms.
AI detector apps will also become upgraded as we know and would be efficient enough to try to detect at least 80% of AI text and inputs in this forum.

On the issue about the retiring of any account, I think what's done and dusted is actually done and dusted, but no amount of red tags could do such unless it's outrightly banned and I suppose unless the managers who have access, can profer a second best opinion, then it's  retrievable, but note that there's still going to be restrictions on how AI can perform and function during logins, and if applied to sites like this forum and for personal uses.
 

[LoyceV]

It's not a good sight to have a reputable member leave the forum with bunch of red tags on their account

I wouldn't like this either if I ever leave Bitcointalk. Lauda has several tags too, it doesn't make her "legacy" look any better.

[YOSHIE]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

Don't worry, @nutildah has the idea to lock up all those who post with Robot/Al, they will be destroyed here: Topic: AI Spam Report Reference Thread., Real and fake owners are caught very quickly, whatever they do if they are not genuine users, errors will occur and it is easy to find out, your account is safe, even if it has not been operating for a long time here.

The real owner can sign messages, fakes can't do that with verified addresses, Al has weaknesses, so don't worry about your account being compromised, Moreover, only certain accounts use Al, not all of them, let alone your account, just look at them and they have withdrawn, especially if they want to hack.

@Upgrade00, has shown the best way that several members here have ever done.

[Findingnemo]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

Don't worry, @nutildah has the idea to lock up all those who post with Robot/Al, they will be destroyed here: Topic: AI Spam Report Reference Thread., Real and fake owners are caught very quickly, whatever they do if they are not genuine users, errors will occur and it is easy to find out, your account is safe, even if it has not been operating for a long time here.

I am not sure it is possible to eradicate them completely, still, there are at least a hundred of them are using AI to generate posts and spin the words to use AI to human text tools to make it more humane and also short posts are herd to differentiate so with these things are going to get better than the chances of identifying them also might be thinner.

Why saying this is I noticed a lot of posts that I am sure were created with the help of AI but I tested multiple tools to find whether it's created using ChatGPT, GPT4 or other similar tools but all of them says created by a human.

[tranthidung]

It's not a good sight to have a reputable member leave the forum with bunch of red tags on their account

I wouldn't like this either if I ever leave Bitcointalk. Lauda has several tags too, it doesn't make her "legacy" look any better.

I don't like a red tag or bunch of red tags in this case.

A neutral tag is enough, because it is not scam. If people are careless and don't care about neutral tag and get scammed by new owners, it's their responsibility, not the actual owner.

If the actual owner is serious to leave the forum, care about the account, he can send a request to theymos or Cyrus, two head admins, to terminate (lock) that account, like Lauda or o_e_l_e_o did. Then nobody can access it to post with AI or whatsoever to mimick the real owner.

Lauda's goodbye, world!
o_e_l_e_o's farewell

[uchegod-21]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

I want to understand your post very well;
1. Do you in any way intend leaving the forum? If yes, this is sad. Many old and valuable members are leaving this space and there are no much resourceful new ones to replace them. You are a good merit source that spread merits in 2 even to less recognised forum members in as much as their posts are quality.
2. If someone so reputable leave the forum, members will add neutral tags. It will be a hell for present AI to mimic accurately, but tomorrow there'll be much advancement in artificial intelligence, no one can predict.

[Lafu]

i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done.
but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.
any comments welcome

Fuck all the AI, and KI and whatever else these services are called!
To be honest i never used any of them.

I would also not like and love to see an Account like yours getting painted red when you leaving the Forum.
As already mentioned , just write to theymos and let your Account be locked and banned.
That would be the best solution when the time for it has come.

[AYOBA]

why are you so worried about AI impersonation? is your email compromised? or does anyone else have your password? because if its safe and you wish to retire now you can just log out without anyone noticing until it becomes obvious except you have doubts about your email security or password.

Is know that is worry about the AI is is only try to care about those that use to the AI impersonation, instead to make a post according to their own understanding. Because @vapourminer seeing what is happening about the AI how is cause much problems for some of the users in this forum, and which is why him choose to created a thread about the AI impersonation.

Red tags is a good idea but I don't like to see it on someones profile because the impression it has on this forum member is bad people may not even look at the reason behind the tag but as long as it has red tags the user is considered for some reason a violator etc.

Some only be had about tags but not all people's know the actual meaning of those tags, that's why even thought some has been given a neutral tags instead of them to behavior well and been reason how this neutral tags can be removed, but they will not till when they add another for them like red tag which can even lead their account to get banned they will begin to panic.

[Jewan420]

I don't support red tagging a particular person who already has a reputation on this forum if he wants to leave this forum. This can be negative for his followers. If a person does not want to be on the Bitcoin forum, he can inform the main administrator to close his account. As Lauda and o_e_l_e_o did. As a result no one will have access to post with AI or impersonate him.

[Fiatless]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

Locking the account will be the best option for me. The forum is not just for interaction but it is like an archive or historical information bank. People will keep visiting this forum for many years to learn and also identify reputable members. Some people will not be patient enough to read the reason for these red tags. Immediately they see these red tags they just assume that they were scammers or contributed negatively to the forum. Although I would like to see only green colors in the account of some reputable members a neutral tag might be manageable for security reasons.