retiring an account in the age of AI

[_BlackStar]

thanks for the comments.

i will say im not planning on leaving and have not had any email/accounts compromised. its just i hate loose ends. so i would want a "lock it and leave it" mode; basically start a new account after if needed.

for some reason i thought it was hard to permanently lock an account here.

I remember ratimov deleted many of his posts along with other users' posts in self-moderated threads before he locked his account in a simple way. You can basically do the same steps ^{[lock the account and leave it]} without worrying too much, in fact I firmly believe that things that are natural and unique to the user can never be cloned by bots or AI. There are things that AI cannot imitate from you and all the users here - your language style, your writing style, your character are some of the things it cannot do.

[Zlantann]

thanks for the comments.

i will say im not planning on leaving and have not had any email/accounts compromised. its just i hate loose ends. so i would want a "lock it and leave it" mode; basically start a new account after if needed.

for some reason i thought it was hard to permanently lock an account here.

I remember ratimov deleted many of his posts along with other users' posts in self-moderated threads before he locked his account in a simple way. You can basically do the same steps ^{[lock the account and leave it]} without worrying too much, in fact I firmly believe that things that are natural and unique to the user can never be cloned by bots or AI. There are things that AI cannot imitate from you and all the users here - your language style, your writing style, your character are some of the things it cannot do.

Can a member lock his account by himself? I don't think members have such an option to lock accounts. I assume they can contact the moderator to lock their account after justifying such a request. Maybe Ratimov made such a request and it was granted. I agree that AI cannot totally act the same way as an individual. They might try to mimic the person's voice or writings but people who know such an individual will one day suspect a behavior change. I have seen several cases where members suspect that an account has changed hands even when the impersonator is doing everything possible to act original. Nature made everyone special and I doubt if technology can totally change it.

[Sandra_hakeem]

i will say im not planning on leaving and have not had any email/accounts compromised. its just i hate loose ends. so i would want a "lock it and leave it" mode; basically start a new account after if needed.

I knew that wasn't the case..^{[even before I came across this information]}.. Vapourminer ain't just leaving for some unforseen reasons after 13 whole years of active genuine service. 13 fuckin' yearssss!!...he ain't even in no sig. campaign....Dayumm dude!!!

for some reason i thought it was hard to permanently lock an account here.

That's not true. You'd have to put up request to Theymos should you ever want to, but what's the point of locking an already built and famous account just to return in a newbie account? ^{oh please,Don't do it}

[Z-tight]

i will say im not planning on leaving and have not had any email/accounts compromised. its just i hate loose ends. so i would want a "lock it and leave it" mode; basically start a new account after if needed.

Great to know that you are not planning on leaving the forum, and at least not now. Is there any particular reason why you would consider locking your account permanently, to start off with a new account? I think if you ever feel the need to go down the route of locking your established account on the forum, it should be because you want to leave for good.

[Smartvirus]

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

Tags remains the Iconic bye to have been used by mainly and one of the most significant I can very much recall was that of Lauda which, didn’t leave any room for recovery as, the user was all about getting out and never looking back from the statements made while saying the last byes.

AI might have got a wide variety of usage to it but at the point of having to mimic a user on the forum, I can’t be sure about that. I don’t think it possible even. Given that, just logging in, you’ve got the captcha test to complete and this takes a lot into consideration as per your most resent activities coupled with having to pass the test itself. Let’s say you find a way to pass that, AI would definitely leave a thread that could be followed in posting patterns. Mistakes are bond to be made following posting habits, quotes and having to understand what is been posted by others.

Mimicking just wouldn’t work.

[EarnOnVictor]

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

With reference to your first point above, it will even be difficult to catch some users using AIs that way. And since there are no specific forum tools to catch them, many will not be punished and more will even go advanced next time so that they are not caught like the ones that are getting away with it.

Again, I like people who have been clamouring for contexts like this, I think the forum should also well-define AI use and declare war against it in full in its own way. The permanent banning of the guilty ones will be good, and if the accounts are severally tagged as well, it will still serve the same purpose. This is because the reason why most of them are too lazy to post but using AI is that they have many accounts they want to build for campaigns. Tagging these accounts would have made them useless for that purpose and they would be forced to abandon them.

Notwithstanding, how to detect these accounts is still a headache now.

[Helena Yu]

I think you just don't want to leave or someone has access to your account already and trying to ask people to give you a negative. Which is useless as it can be removed. So, what's the catch in here.

It's not useless, if negative feedback can be removed easily, many cheaters and abusers will not be scared. When someone give negative feedback to someone who're passed away or left the forum, I'm sure they will not remove their tags.

edit: aside from setting up OTP and setting a password to something ridiculous, then destroying them both. i want something that makes the underlying account useless for taking over in the 1st place.

If you're looking like that then asking people to paint your account is the best solution.

But, if there are no one willing to paint your account, then you need to force them to do it, either you start to promote ponzi scheme, cheating, abusing trust feedback etc. I'm sure people will paint your account.

[vapourminer]

But, if there are no one willing to paint your account, then you need to force them to do it, either you start to promote ponzi scheme, cheating, abusing trust feedback etc. I'm sure people will paint your account.

im too lazy to do any of that.

but it does look like just asking theymos/staff to permanently lock it and announcing it somewhere is the best bet. post a signed btc addy and pgp key in a message and have some folks quote them.

a "retired" forum tag would rock though, ngl

[promise444c5]

a "retired" forum tag would rock though, ngl

Sure it would
Preferably if it could in a way we have the Newbies ~ Legendary tag or it can just be directly below it(the rank Badges or Tag) ....or a Bold "Retired" signature I think this should be more appropriate on a retired account and this should be information of a permanent stamp ,
No edit!!!

[dkbit98]

Nobody is going to waste time doing this in bitcointalk forum.
AI can never replace human members and trick everyone into reactivating retired account, remember there is always another human developer behind every AI.
Simple conversation can be enough to recognize that something is not looking normal with reactivated members even with sold and/or hacked accounts, let alone with stupid AI.

[Ultegra134]

To be honest, I don't think it's possible with current technology. As you may have noticed on the AI report thread, a handful of users are being detected each week. Some of them attempt to hide by writing generic sentences such as "In my opinion, or I believe" here and there to make it look more humanly looking; I even saw a user purposely messing up their AI-written text to avoid AI detection. Sooner or later, they'll be caught. However, I've seen some websites advertising services that turn AI text undetectable, but I've never tested it myself.

I believe a case of an abandoned account has been reported before in the report thread, if I remember correctly, and it's certainly a threat because someone is way less likely to suspect a senior or hero with perfect text than a newbie.

[Sky_T]

Though an AI may be trained so well, but it can never have 100% intellectual thought and emotions of someone. it can only be a replica of such person when it is fed with such Information about the person.
I have actually read other people's comment on this thread and I agreed that you should report your account to theymos since he can ban your account or better still, you can make an open topic declaring that you will be absent from the forum from now henceforth and any comment that is made on your account should not be considered yours and therefore should be taged.

[_BlackStar]

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Can a member lock his account by himself? I don't think members have such an option to lock accounts. I assume they can contact the moderator to lock their account after justifying such a request.

Why not - some user may even accidentally lock their account. There are several ways you can try - one is guessing the secret question, secondly you can lock your account via email when you change your account password or change your account email. There's an account lock option there - but you don't need to try it if you don't want to deal with the recovery team.

Read @achow101's announcement about the secret question: PSA: ACCOUNTS WILL BE LOCKED IF THE SECRET QUESTION IS USED TO RECOVER IT

[kuriboh]

I even saw a user purposely messing up their AI-written text to avoid AI detection. Sooner or later, they'll be caught. However, I've seen some websites advertising services that turn AI text undetectable, but I've never tested it myself.

I believe a case of an abandoned account has been reported before in the report thread, if I remember correctly, and it's certainly a threat because someone is way less likely to suspect a senior or hero with perfect text than a newbie.

The thinking power of writing with AI is different from the thinking power of humans. It can answer a certain number of questions. Attitudes written by the human mind will not match those written by AI. No matter how hard you try to steal it, enough good people on the forum will grab it and throw it away, and you'll be done with it. No accounts can be forwarded by managing this ID. It would be better for you to use your intelligence and move on rather than write this AI.

[Ultegra134]

The thinking power of writing with AI is different from the thinking power of humans. It can answer a certain number of questions. Attitudes written by the human mind will not match those written by AI. No matter how hard you try to steal it, enough good people on the forum will grab it and throw it away, and you'll be done with it. No accounts can be forwarded by managing this ID. It would be better for you to use your intelligence and move on rather than write this AI.

That's something I also don't understand. From my experience through the AI report thread, I've seen many different cases that make me wonder why they're putting so much effort into writing with AI rather than writing the post themselves. As I've said earlier, I've seen posts deliberately messed up or with a little added context in an attempt to make them undetected.

From my understanding, it's by users with limited English knowledge who don't have much to contribute in terms of context, and in an effort to appear knowledgeable and capable of contributing to the discussion, use AI, believing they can hide under the radar.

[Jewan420]

That's something I also don't understand. From my experience through the AI report thread, I've seen many different cases that make me wonder why they're putting so much effort into writing with AI rather than writing the post themselves. As I've said earlier, I've seen posts deliberately messed up or with a little added context in an attempt to make them undetected.

From my understanding, it's by users with limited English knowledge who don't have much to contribute in terms of context, and in an effort to appear knowledgeable and capable of contributing to the discussion, use AI, believing they can hide under the radar.

AI tries to make nice posts to make itself known as wise despite having little knowledge. Usually when AI is asked a question it gives pretty accurate answers, but it's not as practical and meaningful as humans. Many people post AI-written schemes without awakening their mental consciousness. But here it is very easy to detect by experienced people. Because AI can never express emotions like humans, AI is not as creative as humans. Expecting creativity from AI is like holding the moon in your hand.

[PX-Z]

I couldn't care less about it at all. I never seen the same model too, and i don't think someone will create such AI as for the what purpose aside from impersonation.

Besides that theymos can lock/disable a profile just like what he did to satoshi's account.

[Amphenomenon]

I couldn't care less about it at all. I never seen the same model too, and i don't think someone will create such AI as for the what purpose aside from impersonation.

Impersonating is a big thing here though especially for a figure like vapourminer here, Ai are already tending to this areas, I believe with time it will be known that's why they are calling for regulations of Ai especially from how scammers has been using deepfakes and also don't forget they generate ID for kyc through these model.

Besides that theymos can lock/disable a profile just like what he did to satoshi's account.

This is still like the best option with alternative of options like Lauda  and o_e_l_e_o, which I think was similar style Vod absence was till he came back

[DubemIfedigbo001]

I just hope this post is just about testing the power of AI and not that you're contemplating on leaving the forum, I'm tired of seeing good people leaving the forum due to personal decisions or life threatening challenges like 0_e_l_e_o  and the rest of them. I wouldn't contribute on how to lock your account because I'm not yet ready to see you go, so the account should remain active and functional to the benefit of forum members.

AI interference has lots of loop holes, if you pay clear attention you would trace it immediately. it operates with some kind of pattern as the learning model stipulates and don't yet have the ability to go out of the box on its own unless prompted, or a new learning model is introduced. So you literally see it doing its tasks with some sort of repetitive feeling and a super-human presentation.

[vapourminer]

till he came back

thats the point though. i want a one way function. if/when i come back i would create a new account.