retiring an account in the age of AI

[Amphenomenon]

till he came back

thats the point though. i want a one way function. if/when i come back i would create a new account.

Then I guessed your account can be banned just like satoshi's
Or possibly I don't know how possible it will be if you might also just enable the 2FA then instead of saving it, just totally delete then even if someone can recover your account, they won't ever be able to get the 2fa code, since it won't be existing

[ChiBitCTy]

hypothetically speaking, its gonna be a while before people start training models for the sake of imitating Bitcointalk accounts

A decent AI doesn't need special training, you'll just set it loose and tell it to make you money. If it's a good AI, it'll keep the money for itself.
AI is a hype, it's added to anything now, from browsers to phones. The fact that people sell the idea of an AI to make money instead of having the AI make money directly tells me all I need to know about that "AI". Let's say I don't fear the AI that's being sold (although the spam is annoying), but I'm pretty sure we should fear the (future) AI that's being kept private.

Says an AI

OP & for anyone worried about todays “AI” .. https://cdss.berkeley.edu/news/jaron-lanier-wants-you-stop-saying-ai

[Asiska02]

I don’t need to read through your post again and again to dictate if that’s not you posting and it’s an AI trying to imitate your style of posting. Your style of posting is unique and there’s no AI that can be as perfect as you, so I don’t think an AI tool can impersonate your account even when there’s an access to it without finding out an AI is being used to impersonate you.

A neutral tag on your profile showing that you’re retiring from the forum or a thread created on that regard will suffix all, but even if you don’t, a change in the style of post in the case of AI impersonation is enough to know this is not the real poster of the account. This thread you’ve created will serve as a reference even in the future in the case of such occurrence.

[SickDayIn]

till he came back

thats the point though. i want a one way function. if/when i come back i would create a new account.

If you really want a one-way function to not return to your account, is it genuinely because of the fear of AI? Or do you just want some way to resist spending more time on this forum on your current account?

I know in the past for myself when I have had unhealthy relationships with online forums, where I spend every single day on it, I've asked moderators to lock my account or set it as "retired".

But if your post is genuinely about the fear of AI being able to regurgitate content in this forum - I think the issue is actually with the forum. The issue wouldn't be the AI itself, it's that regurgitated content isn't picked out by others on the forum, and can seamlessly fit in with the other users. An indication that the quality of content produced in the forum generally is in a decline, which isn't good.

[vapourminer]

If you really want a one-way function to not return to your account, is it genuinely because of the fear of AI? Or do you just want some way to resist spending more time on this forum on your current account?

I know in the past for myself when I have had unhealthy relationships with online forums, where I spend every single day on it, I've asked moderators to lock my account or set it as "retired".

But if your post is genuinely about the fear of AI being able to regurgitate content in this forum - I think the issue is actually with the forum. The issue wouldn't be the AI itself, it's that regurgitated content isn't picked out by others on the forum, and can seamlessly fit in with the other users. An indication that the quality of content produced in the forum generally is in a decline, which isn't good.

lol even after retiring this account i would still lurk here.

however i do not want to leave this account vulnerable to takeover or impersonation. retired means retired.

..or maybe just a tinfoil hat OCD thing.

[fillippone]

I really cannot see the issue here.
When I leave the forum, I will lock the account and ask they is to perma ban him.
No AI will be ever able to post in my name, and in the case I want to return, I will be forced to use a new one.
Even if I am able to train an IA to post on my behalf, rest assured it is not going to happen.
Yours truly merit rascal will stay bones and flesh for a (long?) time.

[promise444c5]

lol even after retiring this account i would still lurk here.

however i do not want to leave this account vulnerable to takeover or impersonation. retired means retired.

..or maybe just a tinfoil hat OCD thing.

Are you thinking of an alt...but in an anonymous way to still view the forum wheen you want .
Not bad though! just place your account on perm. ban since you won't be using it again...but I really wish if there could be a retired position for accounts like yours,that will make a lot of sense tbh

[uchegod-21]

But if your post is genuinely about the fear of AI being able to regurgitate content in this forum - I think the issue is actually with the forum. The issue wouldn't be the AI itself, it's that regurgitated content isn't picked out by others on the forum, and can seamlessly fit in with the other users. An indication that the quality of content produced in the forum generally is in a decline, which isn't good.

If you check around in the forum, there's a great anxiety and fear of the unknown about AI. Many people are seeing the possibility of AI comfortably discussing here in the nearest future while a fear doesn't think it will happen. But my fear is in theymos not making any bold rule yet about AI in the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if Vapourminer is afraid of uncertain about AI.

See what merit rascal is saying...

No AI will be ever able to post in my name, and in the case I want to return, I will be forced to use a new one...

Yours truly merit rascal will stay bones and flesh for a (long?) time.

Please stay for long...
VM, you can disappear and after a long time appear again like VoD. This will be nicer than locking your account totally.

[PowerGlove]

..or maybe just a tinfoil hat OCD thing.

Then count me as a tinfoiler, because I think you're thinking clearly.

Yeah, it would be nice if there was an obvious way to "retire" an account. I mean, I know people can do the secret-question-footgun thing, but that one is very non-obvious, and it's semantically inappropriate (it internally marks your account as "possibly compromised").

A cool way to approach this might be to imagine a more generalized feature that would be useful in its own right but that would solve the problem you raised, too. Maybe something like a "Taking a break" feature that lets you specify a date before which your account will remain locked and be prevented from authenticating. It would also be nice if people could see the status/unlock-date from your profile page (and maybe a link to an optionally-left message, too).

To support the permanent-retirement use-case, instead of relying on people to set an impossibly far-off date, I think it would be best if there was some kind of specific thanks-for-all-the-fish mode/checkbox that signifies that we've forever lost another Bitcoin homie.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

No AI will be ever able to post in my name, and in the case I want to return, I will be forced to use a new one.

I really don't think so.

If you are a real owner of one account, you always can come back, do even complicated recovery steps than others, to reclaim your account.

Like satoshi's account, is locked due to security reason, theymos said Satoshi Nakamoto can come back and contact theymos via PGP key and a complicated procedure is available for you and @vapourminer too.

You can decide to recovery your account after abandon it for many years or can start with a new one. You decide but the forum does not prohibit you like if you abandon an account, go proactively asking for locking it, you will never be able to get it back.

His account is locked, so no. If he wants to claim his account, he'll have to contact me with a PGP signature.

[promise444c5]

thanks-for-all-the-fish mode/checkbox

Inform of...??

[PowerGlove]

thanks-for-all-the-fish mode/checkbox

Inform of...??

Haha, I guess that one's not as obvious as I thought.

It's a reference from Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. It's what the dolphins said in their goodbye message before leaving Earth, and it's now sometimes used as a humorous farewell.

[promise444c5]

Haha, I guess that one's not as obvious as I thought.

Ohh gawd  never expected a 1979 novel phrase

[Dailyscript]

In as much as there are AI that could mimic ones account there are other AI that can detect suspicious activity or mimicking of account. That is if something like that happens.

However, i think the most reliable approach is to apply for complete deletion of account. There will be no account activity and if you search for the user it wont be found.

[LoyceV]

However, i think the most reliable approach is to apply for complete deletion of account.

That's not something you can apply for on Bitcointalk. If you're a shitposter or just really really really pissed off you can delete your own posts, but I prefer to be part of Bitcointalk's legacy. How cool would it be if my posts are still online in the far future?

[vapourminer]

However, i think the most reliable approach is to apply for complete deletion of account. There will be no account activity and if you search for the user it wont be found.

deletion isnt what i want. and im not a fan of revisionist history. for better or worse my posts are my posts.. read at your own risk lol

[Samlucky O]

any comments welcome

I don't see the problem: if I leave this place, nobody else has access to my account, and nobody else can use it to post.
Besides, I've been called an AI for years, so I'm pretty sure someone's going to notice the firmware change.

I have had couple of arguments about you from some of my forum friends when they told me you are an AI. but I never believe because whenever I read your post or conversation, I sense more of human than Ai. AI has limitations to what they said and interact, but your case is different. you are emotional and give a direct feed back to question as human not like Ai that generates alot of online program Grammer. Though you are faster than others in certain way that makes people feel that you are a robot, I think you are fast but uses an AI assistant device that helps to facilitate your activities making you a half human half Ai. but according to one of you post I read, you said that most of the things you do in the forum are kept in your PC and whenever you need it, you bring it fast and people thinks you are an AI. Though I may not have enough evidence in what I am saying, but if others don't believe you are a human I do because whenever I chat with a human I know the communication of how human to human works. Ai is Ai and can never work as a human.

So In summary the best word I can use to describe you is half human haft AI.

However, i think the most reliable approach is to apply for complete deletion of account.

That's not something you can apply for on Bitcointalk. If you're a shitposter or just really really really pissed off you can delete your own posts, but I prefer to be part of Bitcointalk's legacy. How cool would it be if my posts are still online in the far future?

Yes thats true, there is no where you can apply for account deletion rather you can delete your own Post just like @synmetric did in the link provided above, but that's not a good one. We can only be remembered by what we have done even when we no longer exists. But deleting useful post is surely a selfish decision that is not good, atleast we should learn from some past heros of the forum. except of course that such person is a shit poster that his contribution doesn't really matter, that will not be seen as anything if his Post where deleted.

[LoyceV]

Though you are faster than others in certain way that makes people feel that you are a robot

I read this 2 minutes after you posted this, but figured I'd respond only now to make me look more human.

I think you are fast but uses an AI assistant device

Go wash your mouth keyboard with soap! There is no "AI", it's a hype. You know how I know? "AI" companies are hiring instead of firing, and their CEO is human. Nobody with a decent AI would sell it, they'd get very rich from keeping it for themselves while it performs millions of online remote jobs at the same time. If they sell it, it's not an AI. Just a language model.

Though I may not have enough evidence in what I am saying, but if others don't believe you are a human

Believe what you want!

(source)

So In summary the best word I can use to describe you is half human haft AI.

You mean a cyborg?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

or am i in tinfoil land again.

You might be, but we've never bumped into each other (though said land be vast in acreage and population).  But jokes aside, if an old member abandoned his account without changing the password to something impossible to hack or if the forum itself got hacked, the scenario you described not only could happen but most likely would.  That's going to be true as long as members can earn more in signature campaigns with a higher rank--and of course, if the member was green-trusted or otherwise had a positive reputation, anyone taking control of the account could easily use AI to take out a loan or carry out some related scam.

With the way bitcointalk is structured, i.e, having so many people posting just to get paid, the evolution of AI is just scary as hell.  How the hell would anyone know if it was being used to make posts if the inputs were good enough?  Scary and frankly....depressing.

I have had couple of arguments about you from some of my forum friends when they told me you are an AI. but I never believe because whenever I read your post or conversation, I sense more of human than Ai.

LoyceV is not a bot, and you needn't make such a bloviated disputation about it.  The accusations were always made in jest as far as I know.  Merit-baiting has a very peculiar odor and is easy to detect.

Edit:

AI is a no option for me, because there are alot of criterias and principle that an AI will not follow while cresting a comment so leaving a valuable account such as yours in the hands of an AI make it of no less difference as handing over the account to a nob who have no basic knowledge of what is going on and just mimicking others just to fill in comment's.

What does any of that mean?  It's obviously English but I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say.

Also asking DTs to tag the account is not a good option because red tag is red tag it has only one perception which is that the users can not be trusted,  and for a high respected and valuable member like you that have contributed to the forum for a long time ending that way won't be beneficial for future users who may use your work as reference.

Um, think of what the red trust comment might say.  It's not going to be "This user scammed me" or anything of the sort.  They'd be messages that state that the member retired the account, and they'd have to be in red so they'd be visible by most members.

[Wiwo]

AI is a no option for me, because there are alot of criterias and principle that an AI will not follow while creating a comment so leaving a valuable account such as yours in the hands of an AI make it of no less difference as handing over the account to a nob who have no basic knowledge of what is going on and just mimicking others just to fill in comment's.

Also asking DTs to tag the account is not a good option because red tag is red tag it has only one perception which is that the users can not be trusted,  and for a high respected and valuable member like you that have contributed to the forum for a long time ending that way won't be beneficial for future users who may use your work as reference.

Best option in my own opinion is to make a goodbye thread and then sign a message on the account address which should be verified anytime the account come active again in the future, that way you protect both the account and you reputation.