Minimum age to purchase a guns 18 to 21

[Mr Reporter]

This morning was on me phone I came across this post on Xspace which says

https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1813389334957216191

@GavinNewsom we already have mandatory background checks in CA.  What are you talking about?  Gun laws hurt the law abiding citizen and do nothing for the criminal thugs. You think the thugs stand in line to purchase guns?  Have you ever been in a gun store?  I didn't think so.

But on a second thought how can this prevent criminal from obtaining firearms? I gust the government just made it easier for the non criminal to jump into purchasing of guns.

[LTU_btc]

I think you should fix typo in topic title, because before opening it, I though wtf you're talking about - ''Minimum age to purchase a guy''
I'm not feeling qualified enough to talk about gun regulations in USA. Not really sure that changing age would help significantly. I think that getting weapon shouldn't be so easy when even mentally ill person can get it without much hassle.
But when it comes to criminals, regulations don't help there, they always will find way how to get it, for example in black markets.

[Hispo]

I think you should fix typo in topic title, because before opening it, I though wtf you're talking about - ''Minimum age to purchase a guy''
I'm not feeling qualified enough to talk about gun regulations in USA. Not really sure that changing age would help significantly. I think that getting weapon shouldn't be so easy when even mentally ill person can get it without much hassle.
But when it comes to criminals, regulations don't help there, they always will find way how to get it, for example in black markets.

That is the major counter point the pro-gun people in the United States have used against those who wish to regulate the purchase and availability of guns even further and as someone who lives in a country which is quite corrupt and does not allow their citizens to wield guns, I must say that indeed the bad guys/criminals do not care about legals ways to get guns, they will get them anyways, while people who are law abiding and respect the government regulations will be left with no defense, since the government is corrupt as I mentioned. When the goverment is corrupt and the police does not do anything effective to protect the common people, it would be good for us to have a medium of self-defense.
In States which have a very low rate of criminality and the government does not show signs of blatant corruption, then it would be okey if access to guns is more restricted.

[BADecker]

There are a hundred ways for people to get guns in the US, without any checks whatsoever. If nothing else, a slamgun - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=slamgun. Make one. Or https://duckduckgo.com/?q=homemade+guns&ia=web.

If you have a few bucks, consider Defense Distributed - https://defdist.org/ - to make your own high quality gun at home.

If everybody becomes a gun maker, nobody will know where they come from (the guns).

We need more ammo makers and re-loaders, and suppliers.

[bitterguy28]

what i find really disturbing is how much gun stores there are in america

it is so accessible which is what i think is what's wrong and dangerous literally anyone can walk into a gun store and purchase one and they could just lie about what to do with the gun

[BADecker]

what i find really disturbing is how much gun stores there are in america

it is so accessible which is what i think is what's wrong and dangerous literally anyone can walk into a gun store and purchase one and they could just lie about what to do with the gun

That's why you need to get your guns, so you can scare off the bad guys... or shoot them if they won't scare. Get your buddies to work with you with their guns... but don't become the bad guy.

[discusstor]

If they want to buy, they will buy.

[Yucky]

what i find really disturbing is how much gun stores there are in america

it is so accessible which is what i think is what's wrong and dangerous literally anyone can walk into a gun store and purchase one and they could just lie about what to do with the gun

That's why you need to get your guns, so you can scare off the bad guys... or shoot them if they won't scare. Get your buddies to work with you with their guns... but don't become the bad guy.

that's really a crazy shit.
I've always held to total regulation of guns and I see no reason why people should be given free access to it and you you're talking of an 18 year allowed to own a gun?

In my country, if you ever allow the general public access to guns under whatever criteria you've put out thier, the number of killings on the street on a daily basis will be damn massive.

[BADecker]

what i find really disturbing is how much gun stores there are in america

it is so accessible which is what i think is what's wrong and dangerous literally anyone can walk into a gun store and purchase one and they could just lie about what to do with the gun

That's why you need to get your guns, so you can scare off the bad guys... or shoot them if they won't scare. Get your buddies to work with you with their guns... but don't become the bad guy.

that's really a crazy shit.
I've always held to total regulation of guns and I see no reason why people should be given free access to it and you you're talking of an 18 year allowed to own a gun?

In my country, if you ever allow the general public access to guns under whatever criteria you've put out thier, the number of killings on the street on a daily basis will be damn massive.

Exactly the point. Gun control doesn't mean no guns. It means guns in the hands of government people so that gov people can control others.

Do you really trust your government people? I mean, they are people like anybody else.And the leaders might want to make slaves of the people and order the gun holders to force the people.

I'd rather have my guns in my hand as protection against gov people. They send 18-y-o's to war with guns. Why not let them have them at home?

[Hispo]

what i find really disturbing is how much gun stores there are in america

it is so accessible which is what i think is what's wrong and dangerous literally anyone can walk into a gun store and purchase one and they could just lie about what to do with the gun

That's why you need to get your guns, so you can scare off the bad guys... or shoot them if they won't scare. Get your buddies to work with you with their guns... but don't become the bad guy.

that's really a crazy shit.
I've always held to total regulation of guns and I see no reason why people should be given free access to it and you you're talking of an 18 year allowed to own a gun?

In my country, if you ever allow the general public access to guns under whatever criteria you've put out thier, the number of killings on the street on a daily basis will be damn massive.

I mean, the argument of having guns in the hands of the common people is bad people will always have guns for them to continue their track of criminality, so if it is inevitable for black markets of weapons to exist, then it would be fair for the "good people" also to have their own handguns at home, at their work, even allowing teachers to have their own while giving classes.
That is not an imaginary scenario, by the way. There are already working on allowing teachers of certain states to be able to wield weapons while in the classroom, because of the school shooting incidents. It is expected for the teachers to take down an active shooter. In my opinion, it is not about having a lot of people having guns but rather a combination of taking care of people with mental illnesses, having a well trained police force, while as the same time the black market for guns get reduced.

[darkangel11]

I like guns and I think everybody should own them. That said, the change in age doesn't mean a thing. How many murderers and terrorists are at the age of 18 or 19, when compared to 21+? How many teenagers get caught with guns every year?

This article says that
In the years from 2015 to 2019, adolescents reported carrying a handgun at a rate 41 percent higher than in the period between 2002 and 2006, according to a study published this week in the journal Pediatrics. The findings are based on reports from more than 297,000 adolescents in the U.S. ages 12 to 17.
About 4.6 percent of teens carried handguns in the recent study period, the research found, up from 3.3 percent previously.

So, if teenagers don't care, what's raising the age limit going to do? You'll only have more people carrying without a permit.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Does age really matter on this issue of owning a gun? Sometimes the way things happens in the society we think that by doing some certain things can help stop the negative from happening but no, let's ask how do these guys who go about collecting innocent people's money or properties just because they're in possession of firearm, how do they get the gus they use? Just a flash of an ID card some money and they're good to go and I don't think the shop owners have anything to do about it. Who are we going to blame for that, the government or the shop owners? Is never easy I must say, some don't need their guns to be registered and if the guns are taken away from them, they still have where to get it back so I think it will be very hard to stop especially using age.

[Hispo]

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So, if teenagers don't care, what's raising the age limit going to do? You'll only have more people carrying without a permit.

Still a relatively low percentage when compared to the rest of the population in the United States, it catches my attention why the percentage of teenagers within the country rose. It is like within the USA there is some kind of what others have called " gun culture", some implicit social pressure or social standing which makes the average teen to have the need to go out their way and get a gun illegally. If there was such a pressure or culture built around weapons, incidents would become less likely to happen.

On the topic of raising the minimum age for carrying, I agree it would do little to keep people from buying guns illegally and carrying them around, it would come down on how police is supposed to enforce those laws, when dealing with possibly dangerous teens with guns in their bagbacks.

[BADecker]

Under age people should have the permission of their parents or guardians before using or owning guns. That's standard. Anybody or store that doesn't want to sell anything to minors doesn't have to. How much more, guns.

The reverse is that parents and guardians can take the responsibility on themselves, to let their kids have and use guns. There are many gun competitions around the world with kids competing, all under the supervision of parents. Some of these minors will get access to the guns outside of competitions.

The idea of minors purchasing guns is silly. They have them already. This whole control thing is the start to extend gun control on all people.

[DeathAngel]

In my country handgun & assault rifle ownership is illegal, you simply cannot obtain one legally. In rare circumstances you can get a shotgun for sports or if you’re a farmer or something. From somebody who is in a country with so few firearms I find it odd when visiting the US that it’s so easy to get one. There are pros & cons to gun accessibility, maybe being 21 before being able to legally purchase one is a good thing. I don’t know statistically though what % of gun misuse is under age 21, it’s probably low which would negate the need to increase age of purchasing legally.