Can solitaire be a game of chance?

[Julien_Olynpic]

I like to play not only gambling, but also quite calm, so to speak, games. For example, I love playing solitaire. In Microsoft Windows there is a solitaire game called Klondike, as well as FreeCell. The last game, in my opinion, is made very well and the solitaire layouts in Windows are interesting to solve. However, solitaire games are more like puzzles, they are like games for introverts, they do not involve competition between teams or individual players. However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

[Finestream]

When it comes to playing a card game that doesn't involve playing against another person, I think it's considered a game of chance or a luck-based game. I played this game when I was young, back in the days when the internet was not yet so popular, and it was fun—just a way to kill the boredom sometimes. But I haven't played it online for money.

Popular card games like blackjack and poker have likely become more popular because people believe they can improve their skills and be profitable in the long run.

[Oshosondy]

However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

When it became a game of chance is when gambling sites start offering the game for their customers to make money from their customers. If it is not about gambling, it will not be regarded as game of chance.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Can puzzles even be games of chance?

Puzzle are never a game of chance, but rather a game of critical thinking whereby a person is given a clue to further  test his knowledge if he could be able to correctly answer it, most especially when it comes to Puzzle games where shapes, images or objects are given for one to identify which one matches the exact image or object given. But however, the only area where I think puzzle can be inculcated into gambling is if it's been added with timer, whereby an individual is given an object and asked to guess the name correctly within a stipulated time frame, and if the time elapses, he fails.

[swogerino]

It is somewhat a game of chance,we all have played it in our offices in free time and I remember the times I got mad which were a lot of them as the cards were not coming like they should,or there was a glitch in the software or I made a human error and could not check which it was,in other words it is a puzzle which requires skill but if you are not careful you risk to turn it to a game of chance.

We don't find it in any casino and this means that they don't consider it a game of chance otherwise they would fit it in their portfolio.

[coolcoinz]

It's a game of chance if your moves are limited. The game is built in such a way that you will always win, as long as you know the rules and know what to do so that you won't block your next move, because it's of course possible to lose the game due to no possible moves left, but 90% of the time you will finish the game and use all the cards. For this reason this will never be casino game, unless you play against someone counting moves, or time and the first one to finish gets the prize.

[Sandra_hakeem]

However, solitaire games are more like puzzles, they are like games for introverts, they do not involve competition between teams or individual players. However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

Solitaire, especially since it's not listed amongst casino games isn't a game of chance; playing against the hosting sever itself needs a very calculative and critical movement and decision making, which has nothing to do with LUCK but CHANCE. The formation with which you begin with can - in most cases - determine how the ending would look like.

What I'll consider to be a game of luck and chance even though it doesn't involve betting real money on is DICE or LUDO games.

It's a game of chance if your moves are limited.

I won't even enjoy a game that limits my move at all. I just wanna play and enjoy whatever decisions I have to make.

[Eternad]

However, solitaire games are more like puzzles, they are like games for introverts, they do not involve competition between teams or individual players. However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

Solitaire still has some factor of chance since the probability of completing the game rely on the card position and your choice of what card do you open to open the cards needed on the right sequence to complete game.

This kind of game can be use for gambling but this will take a lot of time for each game to conclude that’s why casino never consider this type of game due to less round will be available due to the duration of the game. But if we are talking about chances then this game has some sort of game of chance.

[serjent05]

However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

Solitaire can be a game of chance while puzzle is not.  Puzzles need a skill of keen observation and understanding of what is laid in front of our eyes while solitaire depends on the arrangement of cards which can be solved or not depending on its arrangement.  While puzzles give all hints right away and it is up to the solver whether he can see all the laid hints, solitaire don't work that way.  It is because the remaining cards are not shown while we arrange the cards accordingly.

Solitaire, especially since it's not listed amongst casino games isn't a game of chance;

Gambling is not the only games that relies on chances and not because solitaire is not a gambling game, it is not to be considered a game of chance.  It may not be 100% dependent on the randomizing factor but the fact that the arrangement of the deck is randomized and the success to win the game is dependent on the arrangement of the deck.  Yes, it needs skills to win the game but the fact that the arrangement of the deck is unknown and greatly affect the outcome of the game, it can be considered a game of chance.

playing against the hosting sever itself needs a very calculative and critical movement and decision making, which has nothing to do with LUCK or CHANCE.

The arrangement of the deck does have something to do with the chance of completing the game.  So I believe we cannot entirely say that solitaire is a game of skill alone and not a game of chance.
 

What I'll consider to be a game of luck and chance even though it doesn't involve betting real money on is DICE or LUDO games.

It was stated that if the game depends on a randomizing factor, it is considered as game of chance.  SAme way with Dice and Ludo games, solitaire also has its randomizing factor which is how the deck is shuffled.  

Skill will get you a good way toward most games, but if the aces all come up last, it will be nearly impossible.

This quotation proves that solitaire is also a game of chance, it might require skills to win the game but how it is shuffled is the final determining factor of whether the game is winnable or not.
 

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Solitaire is a game that combines elements of skill and chance. I guess the initial setup of the cards is random but the outcome of the game is largely determined by the player's decisions and strategy. The player's ability to analyse the game state, plan moves in advance and make optimal choices greatly influences the chances of winning.

While luck plays a role in the distribution of cards a skilled player can consistently achieve higher win rates by making informed choices throughout the game. Solitaire can be seen as a game that involves both chance and skill.

[uneng]

I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

I think they can be considered games of chance, considering not every rounds are possible to be completed, as at some point you will reach a dead end where it's not possible to move the cards anymore or make any further progress. But would you really bet on a game like that?

They seem much more risker than traditional gambling games. Besides the dead ends, it's also pretty common to make some wrong moves and then get stucked with your game. From the total games you played, check the percentage of winnings you have achieved. If it's superior to 50%, then it could be a good idea to be bet through them.

If casinos added this game category, I believe they would only add the hardest levels, such as that one from Patience Spider with all the colors and 4 symbols of the deck.

[Sim_card]

However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

When it became a game of chance is when gambling sites start offering the game for their customers to make money from their customers. If it is not about gambling, it will not be regarded as game of chance.

I agree with you, because any game can be interesting but the moment casino adds it into the game list then sorry it will become a normal gambling game which is a game of chance and luck because the casino has the alogarithm that will always make the house hedge win and for you to make profit it becomes 50-50 no matter how good you are in the game.

[Hispo]

I believe their are games of chance, but not in the same way we could think of other casino games like dices or crash. For example, in dices, Plinko and crash the outcome of the session is decided by an random number generator, in order to make the outcome unpredictable. In the case of solitaire, the random number generator is only used to arrange the cards within the mount/deck the outcome will be mostly based on the ability the player/gambler has to organize the cards in the correct order.
I used to play solitaire a long time ago and I know it is possible to get stuck or sole the game quickly, and in part it depends on the random number generator or entropy.

There is a good reason solitaire is not a common casino game, with enough time a good player would always win.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

       -     I remember this solitaire when I played it 15 years ago. I became very fond of these games. Yes, I had fun, and at the same time, it was like I became addicted to them. Because at that time, my chances were also as often as I won in our gambling.

So, for me, it can be said that this is also a game of chance, unlike other games, which is not in my opinion.

[darkangel11]

It's a fun relaxing game, but if you remember some good old movies about the Wild West, gamblers would play it alone, to occupy hands. In the time where people gambled every day and it was considered a normal activity, a way to kill time, nobody would play solitaire against other people. Therefore I think it's not a casino game and it's not a game of chance. It's like a card puzzle, that's all. You don't do puzzles to gamble with anyone.

[348Judah]

Playing of solitaire for those that have been used to it, they could see that it's a game that has much to do with being lucky for playing it, though a little efforts also contributes to the winning nature of playing this same game, but there are many things in which we may still have to consider and know more about this same particular card game, you own a card in which its not by how experienced or smart you're, your luck bring the card your way and you will need some experience in knowing the right direction for playing it.

[topbitcoin]

When it comes to playing a card game that doesn't involve playing against another person, I think it's considered a game of chance or a luck-based game. I played this game when I was young, back in the days when the internet was not yet so popular, and it was fun—just a way to kill the boredom sometimes. But I haven't played it online for money.

Popular card games like blackjack and poker have likely become more popular because people believe they can improve their skills and be profitable in the long run.

Yes I also often used to do games like this even on my cellphone or computer, but that's not so interesting to me at all but it's just interesting enough to spend time playing Solitaire, yes I agree with you this card game if not with having a betting opponent then this is like another game of luck.


Of course Blackjack card games will be more interesting than card games like that because it is like a long-term investment if you can improve your skills, because this game relies on good skills to get a victory, so many people are more interested in this game, Solitaire just kills boredom in time and or entertains yourself after doing typing work on the computer.

[iv4n]

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Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

It can be... all kinds. My favorite is Spider. But who will play it?

I opened a thread about Farkle a long time ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5388765.msg59457163#msg59457163. We could play it only on Betnomi, but now I don't know if there are casinos with this game... This is a game of chance, we pay for the round, and if we reach a certain number of points we win the bet. So I imagine it would be the same with solitaire games, we pay for the round and if we finish it we get the prize, of course with some limitations (no undo move or just once or twice, just one/two/three deals...), and depending on those setting we would have lower or higher odds.

Since I enjoy card games I would play Solitare for money, but like with the Farkle game, I am not sure how many others would play it... Somehow I feel it wouldn't be so popular game.

[GxSTxV]

I like to play not only gambling, but also quite calm, so to speak, games. For example, I love playing solitaire. In Microsoft Windows there is a solitaire game called Klondike, as well as FreeCell. The last game, in my opinion, is made very well and the solitaire layouts in Windows are interesting to solve. However, solitaire games are more like puzzles, they are like games for introverts, they do not involve competition between teams or individual players. However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

We all have good memories with these vintage games and puzzles, you won’t find someone in the Microsoft phase when we only had Windows XP in our computers, didn’t try to play Solitaire or Mines game. However, in gambling it is hard to build these games to gamble on them and compete against a casino, there will be more possibilities for the players to win, which will lead to casino bankrupt very quickly.
We can find mines game in most casinos now, but the algorithm of winning and losing is very different, the house edge will make you always lose and it is a game of luck.

In the other hand, building these games for gambling to compete against other players would be cool, for example, online poker tables which are the most common competitive gambling game other than competing against the casino which will automatically beat you in long term.

We could play it only on Betnomi,

Unfortunately, Betnomi had many great games to compete against other players rather than the house edge of casinos. But they ended up closing the casino.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I like to play not only gambling, but also quite calm, so to speak, games. For example, I love playing solitaire. In Microsoft Windows there is a solitaire game called Klondike, as well as FreeCell. The last game, in my opinion, is made very well and the solitaire layouts in Windows are interesting to solve. However, solitaire games are more like puzzles, they are like games for introverts, they do not involve competition between teams or individual players. However, imagine if FreeCell became a gambling game like poker and hosted international tournaments. I know this is unrealistic, but still. How do you think. Can solitaire games even be games of chance? Can puzzles even be games of chance?

A puzzle game can never be a game of chance, or game of luck as many of us often refer to it as. Puzzle games are game of the mind, it's a silent game as you said, it's a game where the player has to think deep, to easily win this type of games, one have to be of high IQ, a fast thinker and a problem solver, and I believe you understand what I mean by one being a problem solver, it simply means that; the person have to be able to think fast and come up with real solution to a problem.

Gambling casinos can never implement this type of games to their casinos, not because it's not possible to, but it's actually not a game that can make money for them, since there are no opponents in the game except you and your brain's ability to think fast and solve issues.