Casino 500 insolvency

[Dimhol]

Hello! I gamebled in the Euro final: I bet 30.000$ on over of the first time match (I had better placed a bet on the second time), but I almost won back with 2,5 over. After at night when I was drunk enough I bet over on not important things in the cybersport (E-sport) section (bots play there) that are suggested in live.

Next day I tried to spin the slots but I found my account blocked. After KYC verification I was declared that I was allegedly a cheater and my modest win 9306,73$ would be seized. I was brought back my deposit and said that I created multi accounts though I do exactly remember that I have never signed in this casino before.

Casino 500 accepts bets but it is not well-off to pay out the wins.

I ask you to assist solving the problem with my seized money, if it's possible. I also ask to inform the community about the dishonest way Casino 500 works, deceiving its clients who win.

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But you are able to withdraw your deposit. Only your winnings have been seized because of having more than one account on the gambling site.

What I have noticed is that some people will denied this but they have two or more accounts on the gambling site.

Warning: Do not use the gambling site again because they have warned you. That if you register on their gambling site again, that your money will also be seized.

[Dimhol]

I have only 1 account and there is no proof of opposite

[yahoo62278]

I have only 1 account and there is no proof of opposite

So because you say you aren't a cheater, we are supposed to just believe you and chastise 500casino? You realize that they aren't just going to accuse you out of the blue right? You are not the 1st person to win and 10k damn sure isn't worth ruining their reputation over.

Now, let's say you are falsely accused. Would a falsely accused person come here and accuse a casino of being insolvent? Would a falsely accused person do anything other than explain what happened and try to reach a representative? You have done nothing but try to smear a reputation in hopes that your weakass story damages their reputation and they pay you for fear they are going to lose more business. You're probably still drunk and i'm not buying your story 1 bit.

UserU tagging you in case you want to look into this.

I would like to clarify something for the record on my stance regarding multi accounts. The only way I really feel like multi accounts should be considered illegal or they are abusing the casino is if they are creating the accounts to keep trying to reclaim welcome bonuses or 1st time deposit bonuses. Even though those bonuses come with terms attached, a person shouldn't be trying to take advantage that way.

If they are just claiming bonuses such as rakeback, weekly, monthly or bonuses like that, then IMO it should be fine. Those bonuses are gained by a person wager activity on the site and no matter if they use an old account or new account, they have earned those bonuses. Likely down for the week or day on their wagers as well.

While I know it's in the ToS of most casinos that multi accounting is forbidden, and people shouldn't do it, I do think that it's a pretty bad way to screw a person out of funds.

[PX-Z]

What I have noticed is that some people will denied this but they have two or more accounts on the gambling site.

Sometimes it's an honest mistake and denied, some have family or friends who registered the same casino thus sharing the same range of IP address due to connecting on the same network, some are just making excuse coming here to invite people to their side.

Casino 500 have scam accusations yet most of them were resolved, some were not because of obvious reasons, users fault.

[dimonstration]

Hello! I gamebled in the Euro final: I bet 30.000$ on over of the first time match (I had better placed a bet on the second time), but I almost won back with 2,5 over. After at night when I was drunk enough I bet over on not important things in the cybersport (E-sport) section (bots play there) that are suggested in live.

Next day I tried to spin the slots but I found my account blocked. After KYC verification I was declared that I was allegedly a cheater and my modest win 9306,73$ would be seized. I was brought back my deposit and said that I created multi accounts though I do exactly remember that I have never signed in this casino before.

The narrative sounds like a bullshit to me. A guy betting 30K immediately on first bet while betting drunk on another day sounds like too good to be true for me or else you will not cry about that much on 9K profit if you have mega bankroll to spare on a drunk bet.

Your story seems like you are good betting carelessly with huge amount but you are making a big deal on a 9K which is a small part of your total bankroll since you can bet 30K at one bet.

If my assumption is correct, You are engaging on arbitrage bet taking profit on casino promotion.

[UserU]

Thanks yahoo, I happened to stumble across this thread while periodically checking for any new cases.

As Taniq (staff dealing with sportsbook) has already clarified on the multi-account abuse, the whole outcome is self-explanatory; nothing much to be done here.

At least the casino is lenient enough to return the deposits rather than forfeiting your entire balance.

Casino 500 accepts bets but it is not well-off to pay out the wins.

Not sure if you've followed our socials and the forum thread here, but we post huge winnings from time to time, usually between 5 to 6-figures. These come from both regular and VIP users that have been playing for years.

[holydarkness]

OP, can you tell us the reason you created a new account on 500 instead of using your existing one elsewhere? Your betting history [wagered 30,000 USD on first bet, compulsively playing e-sport, intended to play slots the day after] indicate a frequent gambler. I believe you have at least one account on other platform?

[davis196]

Hello! I gamebled in the Euro final: I bet 30.000$ on over of the first time match (I had better placed a bet on the second time), but I almost won back with 2,5 over. After at night when I was drunk enough I bet over on not important things in the cybersport (E-sport) section (bots play there) that are suggested in live.

Next day I tried to spin the slots but I found my account blocked. After KYC verification I was declared that I was allegedly a cheater and my modest win 9306,73$ would be seized. I was brought back my deposit and said that I created multi accounts though I do exactly remember that I have never signed in this casino before.

Casino 500 accepts bets but it is not well-off to pay out the wins.

So you were betting while being drunk and you don't clearly remember what happened? Is this a betting strategy or something?
It seems to me that this is yet another example of shady/sketchy behavior by the casino. This is weird, because Casino 500 has a fairly decent amount of positive reviews on Trustpilot, but Trustpilot reviews can be faked, so I don't know whether this casino is legit or not.
At least you got your deposit back, which probably means that the casino isn't trying to directly scam you and steal your money.
I can't discuss the casino's claim about you having multiple accounts. Maybe you are lying or maybe the casino is lying. I can't tell who is right and who is wrong here.

[holydarkness]

Hello! I gamebled in the Euro final: I bet 30.000$ on over of the first time match (I had better placed a bet on the second time), but I almost won back with 2,5 over. After at night when I was drunk enough I bet over on not important things in the cybersport (E-sport) section (bots play there) that are suggested in live.

Next day I tried to spin the slots but I found my account blocked. After KYC verification I was declared that I was allegedly a cheater and my modest win 9306,73$ would be seized. I was brought back my deposit and said that I created multi accounts though I do exactly remember that I have never signed in this casino before.

Casino 500 accepts bets but it is not well-off to pay out the wins.

So you were betting while being drunk and you don't clearly remember what happened? Is this a betting strategy or something?
It seems to me that this is yet another example of shady/sketchy behavior by the casino. This is weird, because Casino 500 has a fairly decent amount of positive reviews on Trustpilot, but Trustpilot reviews can be faked, so I don't know whether this casino is legit or not.
At least you got your deposit back, which probably means that the casino isn't trying to directly scam you and steal your money.
I can't discuss the casino's claim about you having multiple accounts. Maybe you are lying or maybe the casino is lying. I can't tell who is right and who is wrong here.

Isn't his betting "strategy" a bit irrelevant at this point? 500's allegation is about multi-acc, and usually big casinos are kinda sure when they detect this kind of abuse. It fits rather nicely with OP's betting history and "behaviour" too.

[CypherMonk]

So because you say you aren't a cheater, we are supposed to just believe you and chastise 500casino? You realize that they aren't just going to accuse you out of the blue right? You are not the 1st person to win and 10k damn sure isn't worth ruining their reputation over.

You just jumped in and started sounding like you were blaming the player immediately. Can't you be neutral?

Players can cheat and casinos can cheat as well. We all know that these casinos don't feel happy when people win.

[yahoo62278]

So because you say you aren't a cheater, we are supposed to just believe you and chastise 500casino? You realize that they aren't just going to accuse you out of the blue right? You are not the 1st person to win and 10k damn sure isn't worth ruining their reputation over.

You just jumped in and started sounding like you were blaming the player immediately. Can't you be neutral?

Players can cheat and casinos can cheat as well. We all know that these casinos don't feel happy when people win.

I am not saying with 100% certainty that this user is a liar, only 99.99999999% chance he is lying IMO. The way he made his post and put a bs title just screams to me that he thinks he can damage the casino rep by making up a story, and he is wrong.

You're free to have your opinion.

[CypherMonk]

I am not saying with 100% certainty that this user is a liar, only 99.99999999% chance he is lying IMO. The way he made his post and put a bs title just screams to me that he thinks he can damage the casino rep by making up a story, and he is wrong.

You're free to have your opinion.

I understand but let's not jump to a conclusion yet. I believe that the purpose of this section is to call scam out with the hope that people get aware of the situation or the scammer returns what they scammed.

In this instance, it's about a casino, no matter how weird OP sounds, let's not jump to conclusions but try to base everything on fact. Hopefully, Casino 500 can come forward to defend the claim from OP.

[yahoo62278]

I am not saying with 100% certainty that this user is a liar, only 99.99999999% chance he is lying IMO. The way he made his post and put a bs title just screams to me that he thinks he can damage the casino rep by making up a story, and he is wrong.

You're free to have your opinion.

I understand but let's not jump to a conclusion yet. I believe that the purpose of this section is to call scam out with the hope that people get aware of the situation or the scammer returns what they scammed.

In this instance, it's about a casino, no matter how weird OP sounds, let's not jump to conclusions but try to base everything on fact. Hopefully, Casino 500 can come forward to defend the claim from OP.

500 casino has already replied.

Thanks yahoo, I happened to stumble across this thread while periodically checking for any new cases.

As Taniq (staff dealing with sportsbook) has already clarified on the multi-account abuse, the whole outcome is self-explanatory; nothing much to be done here.

At least the casino is lenient enough to return the deposits rather than forfeiting your entire balance.

Casino 500 accepts bets but it is not well-off to pay out the wins.

Not sure if you've followed our socials and the forum thread here, but we post huge winnings from time to time, usually between 5 to 6-figures. These come from both regular and VIP users that have been playing for years.

You are fairly new here so I don't expect you to know every account that represents a casino, but you should probably read all the replies, not just mine when you plan on commenting.

You are correct about this section being here to bring awareness, but those of us that have been around awhile have seen a lot and we can see when someone is just trying to slander a casino. That is NOT what this section is for.

[CypherMonk]

You are fairly new here so I don't expect you to know every account that represents a casino, but you should probably read all the replies, not just mine when you plan on commenting.

You are correct about this section being here to bring awareness, but those of us that have been around awhile have seen a lot and we can see when someone is just trying to slander a casino. That is NOT what this section is for.

I have read the post before, however, I didn't decode that the account belongs to Casino 500. You are right to have seen a lot as an old member but should we all agree that the case has been settled because Casino 500 said that OP is multi-accounting without evidence or do they not need to prove that?

If they don't prove that by providing proof here, isn't that the same as any casino here countering a claim by a player with the answer that they are multi-accounting, and then it's all over?

It is unfair as Casino 500 just says "As Taniq (staff dealing with sportsbook) has already clarified on the multi-account abuse, the whole outcome is self-explanatory; nothing much to be done here. At least the casino is lenient enough to return the deposits rather than forfeiting your entire balance." and we all agree with them with a yes without any proof.


Mind you, I'm not siding with OP or Casino 500. I won't even blame them if they provide proof and forfeit OP deposits according to their terms. What we need is proof and not verbal words!

[holydarkness]

You are fairly new here so I don't expect you to know every account that represents a casino, but you should probably read all the replies, not just mine when you plan on commenting.

You are correct about this section being here to bring awareness, but those of us that have been around awhile have seen a lot and we can see when someone is just trying to slander a casino. That is NOT what this section is for.

I have read the post before, however, I didn't decode that the account belongs to Casino 500. You are right to have seen a lot as an old member but should we all agree that the case has been settled because Casino 500 said that OP is multi-accounting without evidence or do they not need to prove that?

If they don't prove that by providing proof here, isn't that the same as any casino here countering a claim by a player with the answer that they are multi-accounting, and then it's all over?

It is unfair as Casino 500 just says "As Taniq (staff dealing with sportsbook) has already clarified on the multi-account abuse, the whole outcome is self-explanatory; nothing much to be done here. At least the casino is lenient enough to return the deposits rather than forfeiting your entire balance." and we all agree with them with a yes without any proof.


Mind you, I'm not siding with OP or Casino 500. I won't even blame them if they provide proof and forfeit OP deposits according to their terms. What we need is proof and not verbal words!

If I may jump in, such evidence will not be provided here as it'll compromise their security by telling public how exactly they determine a match between accounts, what parameter they use and all, which can be used by prolific abuser to evade their detection algorithm, of which a system they invested thousands of dollars to refine. That explanation has been given by many casino representatives across many threads.

The hard proof, not verbal words, can still be provided if the OP insist on it, by moving the case to AG or CG, where posts can be made private and evidence can be reviewed by the arbitrator in discreet.

[Dimhol]

I see that every user here excepts CypherMonk is biased for some reasons: either they are just casino workers or they love to be scammed by casino for any reason.

I mentioned I have only 1 account in this casino.
Why you, gentlemen, are tolerant to casino's arbitrariness?
Don't you realise there are just casinos' workers' mistakes or  intentional avarice?
I don't ask to support me. Just be neutral and let's sort out this case.

I demand a proof of my dishonesty from casino 500 if you have it.
Otherwise I will insist on being scammed by you.

[alani123]

I see many people here very hesitant against OP.

Well, ok. Normal to be a bit hesitant but he didn't make an outrageous claim either. Why was the casino waiting for him to win anything significant to reveal to him that they think he's multi accounting? And why is multi-accounting treated as such a high level offense that they won't let OP get any of his winnings? At least offer him a solution before closing his account for good I think.

If OP used his multi-accounts extensively to gain an advantage against the casino, for example via referral bonuses, then fine. But we have seen no evidence of this. If the casino is serious and since OP has made the case public I think it would only be fair to see some evidence from them too. OP says they're none so maybe the casino's absence from the discussion gives him right.

[holydarkness]

I see many people here very hesitant against OP.

Well, ok. Normal to be a bit hesitant but he didn't make an outrageous claim either. Why was the casino waiting for him to win anything significant to reveal to him that they think he's multi accounting? And why is multi-accounting treated as such a high level offense that they won't let OP get any of his winnings? At least offer him a solution before closing his account for good I think.

If OP used his multi-accounts extensively to gain an advantage against the casino, for example via referral bonuses, then fine. But we have seen no evidence of this. If the casino is serious and since OP has made the case public I think it would only be fair to see some evidence from them too. OP says they're none so maybe the casino's absence from the discussion gives him right.

I've brushed this matter two posts above yours: casinos can't simply provide their evidence of detection here in public due to the concern of revealing their detection algorithm. They'll be more than happy to provide them to an arbitration body where provided info can be reviewed in for-one's-eyes-only situation.

OP, Dimhol, risking to sound redundant, bring your case to AG or CG if you're sure you're wrongly accused. 500 will be more than happy to provide evidence to be verified there, of which the arbitrator will make a ruling to validate/invalidate their findings. Though your case here related to account and not the bets itself, I'll suggest to jump to AG since CG won't mediate a sportsbetting related situation and your history has sport-betting on it.

[alani123]

I've brushed this matter two posts above yours: casinos can't simply provide their evidence of detection here in public due to the concern of revealing their detection algorithm. They'll be more than happy to provide them to an arbitration body where provided info can be reviewed in for-one's-eyes-only situation.

OP, Dimhol, risking to sound redundant, bring your case to AG or CG if you're sure you're wrongly accused. 500 will be more than happy to provide evidence to be verified there, of which the arbitrator will make a ruling to validate/invalidate their findings. Though your case here related to account and not the bets itself, I'll suggest to jump to AG since CG won't mediate a sportsbetting related situation and your history has sport-betting on it.

Casino 500 have a presence here in this forum. I feel like it would be very unnecessary to enter into third party arbitration for something as trivial. If the multi-accounting affected the user's odds in a significant way, they should come forward here and state that clearly. If they have proof, send it over to a few trusted community members at least and let them determine how legitimate it seems to restrict user winnings in this case.

I can understand that multi-accounting can be a concern for a casino. But OP here says he didn't do it at all. Could very well be a false alarm or even a mistake. Like for instance I have several accounts that I forgot I had to several casinos but never played on two in the same time. By that rule I also broke the rules, if Casino 500 are leveraging this to withhold my winnings it would be very scammy. They could simply come out and say which dates the accounts were created even without showing any methodology and it would help their case massively.

Instead OP has to go through questionable third party adjudication which might even be siding with the casinos more often than not? Let alone the fact that most if not all casinos here aren't obliged to follow this given they have an off-shore sub-license that can be reissued in seconds even if they lose it. So I wouldn't give a casino the benefit of the doubt to this extent. If they're not willing to solve an issue or even discuss, they deserve the reputation hit from having posts about them here.