bookmaker refusing to do KYC in advance - fortune jack btw-

[Russlenat]

That is a misconception, as submitting a KYC in advance, even if they are going to accept it, doesn't reduce the risk of getting scammed. Just think about it, even if you are fully compliant with the rules but the casino is a scam, you are not exempted; you will be subjected to the same kind of scam they do to others.

But since he is on Fortune Jack I guess that scam incident will likely less to happen. But for encountering an issue provably it cannot give any guarantee that he will not submit again if there will be some cases show up that he need to do KYC again for verification purposes.

So maybe its best for OP to just wait for the casino to ask this so that there's less hassle on his side regarding in this KYC matters and much better for him to gamble only the amount he want to use if he's still interested to gamble in that casino.

FJ has built a good reputation here. They were already here when I started in crypto, and they are still operating while maintaining their good reputation. So yeah, the risk of getting scammed is very low. I don't understand why OP is so worried and assumes that an advance KYC could save him in the future if the casino turns out to be a scam. @OP, please note also that when you violate the TOS, you'll be dealt with accordingly, and KYC won't be a big factor anymore.

[Wapfika]

FJ has built a good reputation here. They were already here when I started in crypto, and they are still operating while maintaining their good reputation. So yeah, the risk of getting scammed is very low. I don't understand why OP is so worried and assumes that an advance KYC could save him in the future if the casino turns out to be a scam. @OP, please note also that when you violate the TOS, you'll be dealt with accordingly, and KYC won't be a big factor anymore.

He just wants to play safe though. If you will browse on his post history, he is always involved to problem regarding casino account due to the nature of his gambling activities. We don’t know specifically what strategy he is using but probably his method belongs to the casino typically doesn’t allowed.

He think that he will not get caught once his account was verified first before he do what he is doing since KYC is the typical method of the casino to check account. But in reality, he will just skip the KYC if he does it in advance but his account will still under investigation directly so it’s the same. He just didn’t wait for KYC approval during the account hold.

[avp2306]

FJ has built a good reputation here. They were already here when I started in crypto, and they are still operating while maintaining their good reputation. So yeah, the risk of getting scammed is very low. I don't understand why OP is so worried and assumes that an advance KYC could save him in the future if the casino turns out to be a scam. @OP, please note also that when you violate the TOS, you'll be dealt with accordingly, and KYC won't be a big factor anymore.

He just wants to play safe though. If you will browse on his post history, he is always involved to problem regarding casino account due to the nature of his gambling activities. We don’t know specifically what strategy he is using but probably his method belongs to the casino typically doesn’t allowed.

He think that he will not get caught once his account was verified first before he do what he is doing since KYC is the typical method of the casino to check account. But in reality, he will just skip the KYC if he does it in advance but his account will still under investigation directly so it’s the same. He just didn’t wait for KYC approval during the account hold.

That's what he believe but actually all points given by people is actually have basis so hopefully those discussion and suggestions made are helpful to him. Since its somehow useless to do KYC in advance and there's still a chance that a casino will still ask us to provide KYC documentation again if for example we win huge and also there something issue occur to our accounts. KYC will not guarantee anything especially if someone think about they can escape any possibilities or if they are hiding something, They should read the TOS first before having that conclusion since provably that the answer is written there and also so that they get a good information towards this planned to be done by OP. Fortunejack is reliable casino so provably those doubts of OP will not happen if he just play clean and don't have plans to violate their rules.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

That is a misconception, as submitting a KYC in advance, even if they are going to accept it, doesn't reduce the risk of getting scammed. Just think about it, even if you are fully compliant with the rules but the casino is a scam, you are not exempted; you will be subjected to the same kind of scam they do to others.

But since he is on Fortune Jack I guess that scam incident will likely less to happen. But for encountering an issue provably it cannot give any guarantee that he will not submit again if there will be some cases show up that he need to do KYC again for verification purposes.

So maybe its best for OP to just wait for the casino to ask this so that there's less hassle on his side regarding in this KYC matters and much better for him to gamble only the amount he want to use if he's still interested to gamble in that casino.

FJ has built a good reputation here. They were already here when I started in crypto, and they are still operating while maintaining their good reputation. So yeah, the risk of getting scammed is very low. I don't understand why OP is so worried and assumes that an advance KYC could save him in the future if the casino turns out to be a scam. @OP, please note also that when you violate the TOS, you'll be dealt with accordingly, and KYC won't be a big factor anymore.

I guess no one is doubting the legitimacy of fortunejack, owning to the fact that they are indeed one the most reputable casinos around and on this forum.
But on the other hand, if you've ever encountered a serious withdrawal issues due to kyc issues, you then will possibly understand why op seem so obsessed with passing kyc verification in advance.

First, let me let you know what passing kyc in advance is a way to make sure that you really have the documents that the casino requires for successful kyc verification.
There have been instances where a gambler will deposit and play, win and wants to withdraw, then they get hammered with a mandatory kyc verification process before their withdrawal can be processed, on getting to see the type of document the casino requires for the verification, they discover its a document they don't have, this simply means that the gambler's money will be hanging there until he or she is able to get the required document to be able to pass the kyc verification, this is where passing kyc verification before depositing and playing on any casino is very helpful.

[khaled0111]

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It seems there is a misunderstanding here.
I was answering another member's question about why FJ refused your request to complete kyc. I wasn't asking why you want to pass kyc.
In fact, I totally understand why you want to do that especially before making a significant deposit. It's a wise move and FJ shouldn't deny you that right.
I hope they will reconsider their decision. Otherwise, all you can do is to find another casino.

[UGADawg]

when I start playing on a new poker site (and intend to deposit/withdrawal) I ALWAYS try and get any KYC stuff out of the way... I certainly don't want that weighing on me while playing wondering if I win, WILL I able withdraw it? Just another form of tilt to avoid IMO

I don't think this is a weird or odd request at all IMO

[wxa7115]

when I start playing on a new poker site (and intend to deposit/withdrawal) I ALWAYS try and get any KYC stuff out of the way... I certainly don't want that weighing on me while playing wondering if I win, WILL I able withdraw it? Just another form of tilt to avoid IMO

I don't think this is a weird or odd request at all IMO

I do not find it weird either, after all by passing their test before you even attempt a withdrawal, this means that when you finally want to make one you will not have to wait for a few days hoping that everything is right with the documents you sent, and instead you can get a withdrawal in a matter of minutes.

So I can see why the OP may prefer to do this in advance, but if fortunejack refuses to do it, then it may be time for the OP to look for another casino that is willing to do this for them.

[mak013]

The main part of well-known casino will pay as the result, but you will spend some time trying to get your prize. In the offline casino my record was about 1,5 month, even with personal visit to the bookies` office.
I can`t recommend some casino - in the main part of casinos i still use - i was KYCed due to several deposit-withdrawals, so i even didn`t searched for such an opportunity.

The problem is not with the well-known casinos, and those casinos are few in number and there is no criticism about them, and here I am focusing on the casinos based on crypto. But we currently have a large number of casinos in the market that share relatively the same policies, but differ in their implementation, considering that those policies are flexible in a way that allows the casino to impose types of procedures that may be arbitrary or the purpose of which may be to scam users’ deposits. For example, it is logical to impose KYC procedures within the framework of the policy of combating money laundering and suspicious activities, but it cannot be logical for this to be only at the request of the casino and in cases that can be read in different ways.

Unfortunately, this is a reality that we find ourselves forced to deal with when it comes to online casinos, especially those residing in countries that do not support their online activities.

The problem is with every casino that allows themselves such way of KYC. Fortune jack is well-known as for me, but they refuse to KYC the gambler when he want. I think that the OP willn`t has problem with KYC in this casino, but he mustn`t make withdrawals to be KYCed.
The only difference between big casino and unknown - big, named casino will pay and the others can steal your prize using ToS and KYC for it.

[frenchmika]

That is a misconception, as submitting a KYC in advance, even if they are going to accept it, doesn't reduce the risk of getting scammed. Just think about it, even if you are fully compliant with the rules but the casino is a scam, you are not exempted; you will be subjected to the same kind of scam they do to others.

But since he is on Fortune Jack I guess that scam incident will likely less to happen. But for encountering an issue provably it cannot give any guarantee that he will not submit again if there will be some cases show up that he need to do KYC again for verification purposes.

So maybe its best for OP to just wait for the casino to ask this so that there's less hassle on his side regarding in this KYC matters and much better for him to gamble only the amount he want to use if he's still interested to gamble in that casino.

FJ has built a good reputation here. They were already here when I started in crypto, and they are still operating while maintaining their good reputation. So yeah, the risk of getting scammed is very low. I don't understand why OP is so worried and assumes that an advance KYC could save him in the future if the casino turns out to be a scam. @OP, please note also that when you violate the TOS, you'll be dealt with accordingly, and KYC won't be a big factor anymore.

i not violate any TOS
i won more than 40k in cloudbet they pay me, i won in almost everybookmaker i never violate anything im just extra carreful
before deposit 10k on cloudbet believe me i ask them to review my account and do kyc to be sure everything is ok
then they ask me strong kyc after but it was validate easy

its just they way i do my life, they will ask me kyc soon or later i want to do it first if they dont want fine
as i say too my account on fortune jack is open since years even i never play a lot just few hundreds bucks when i was poor
now i have much more money to bets im carreful thats it


and im sorry but kyc in advance = less fake scam accusation

[Russlenat]

That is a misconception, as submitting a KYC in advance, even if they are going to accept it, doesn't reduce the risk of getting scammed. Just think about it, even if you are fully compliant with the rules but the casino is a scam, you are not exempted; you will be subjected to the same kind of scam they do to others.

But since he is on Fortune Jack I guess that scam incident will likely less to happen. But for encountering an issue provably it cannot give any guarantee that he will not submit again if there will be some cases show up that he need to do KYC again for verification purposes.

So maybe its best for OP to just wait for the casino to ask this so that there's less hassle on his side regarding in this KYC matters and much better for him to gamble only the amount he want to use if he's still interested to gamble in that casino.

FJ has built a good reputation here. They were already here when I started in crypto, and they are still operating while maintaining their good reputation. So yeah, the risk of getting scammed is very low. I don't understand why OP is so worried and assumes that an advance KYC could save him in the future if the casino turns out to be a scam. @OP, please note also that when you violate the TOS, you'll be dealt with accordingly, and KYC won't be a big factor anymore.

i not violate any TOS
i won more than 40k in cloudbet they pay me, i won in almost everybookmaker i never violate anything im just extra carreful
before deposit 10k on cloudbet believe me i ask them to review my account and do kyc to be sure everything is ok
then they ask me strong kyc after but it was validate easy

its just they way i do my life, they will ask me kyc soon or later i want to do it first if they dont want fine
as i say too my account on fortune jack is open since years even i never play a lot just few hundreds bucks when i was poor
now i have much more money to bets im carreful thats it

Then why not just stick with the sportsbooks that accepted your request? I'm sure they will be able to accommodate your bets since they are already a big sportsbook with millions of dollars in revenue. You mentioned you win almost every bookmaker, so we are talking about a huge number of sportsbooks here. So why not just stick to them and not try to force playing in a casino that doesn't grant your request, like FJ?

and im sorry but kyc in advance = less fake scam accusation

Well, that is your perception, and probably based on your experience, I have to respect that.

[EarnOnVictor]

This is not a matter of being unable to satisfy anyone but for casinos to do the needful and be fair in their operations. At the worst, they should be flexible about the KYC and be reasonable unlike what the main OP experienced. I've never questioned a casino for asking for the KYC completion but I definitely see it awkward to disallow a person willing to do it. What possibly could go wrong if someone completes his KYC earlier? There must be an ulterior motive here.

I don't know. That's a question better directed to casinos in a hope you will get a true answer. Maybe they don't want to keep personal details of players on file unless it's really necessary. I have never been asked by any crypto casino to undergo KYC verification, and if they were to ask me, I wouldn't do it

That was a rhetorical question anyway, but you are right that they are the best to answer it, nevertheless, there is no justification to tell a customer willing to do the KYC that they have to wait for it, companies should always be prepared, especially for those things that are lawful and needed by regulators.

Besides, by you not completing the KYC with any casino must mean that you are either not gambling at all not winning much or you are maintaining your relationship with the true no-KYC casino only, especially the decentralised ones that will never ask for it. Otherwise, most of them would have forced you to do it.

[bitbollo]

every casino can choose and adopt their ToS. In this case, yes the practice is somewhat annoying but probably is something related to their policy.
at least they have been open and honest on this matter (and not maybe asking two times KYC ...)
in any case, if some rules of ToS are not ok with a player, just change the casino. There a lot of options for everyone.

[mak013]

every casino can choose and adopt their ToS. In this case, yes the practice is somewhat annoying but probably is something related to their policy.
at least they have been open and honest on this matter (and not maybe asking two times KYC ...)
in any case, if some rules of ToS are not ok with a player, just change the casino. There a lot of options for everyone.

The ToS is the same for the most part of casinos. Of course they differ with terms but the idea is the same. The problem is that the OP asked about KYC and got refuse. As for me it means that casino is ready to cheat some way. I don`t think that they willn`t pay but they can freeze prize for a long time(for example). If the casino KYC their users they must give an opportunity to KYC when the gambler want.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

every casino can choose and adopt their ToS. In this case, yes the practice is somewhat annoying but probably is something related to their policy.
at least they have been open and honest on this matter (and not maybe asking two times KYC ...)
in any case, if some rules of ToS are not ok with a player, just change the casino. There a lot of options for everyone.

You are absolutely right specially with the last line of your comment, this is possibly one of the reasons what it's always advised that gambler take the time out to read the casinos terms and conditions before engaging with the casino in or with funds.
And even when the player does not have the time to spend on reading lengthy write ups, the player can atleast do the same thing op did, which is to contact the casino's customer support and inquire from him or her some vital informations about the casino, specially as it concerns deposits, withdrawals, playing and winning games, use of VPN and so on and on.

This ensures that issues do not arise in the future that could lead to the player possibly losing his or her funds unjustly and so on..

[virasog]

every casino can choose and adopt their ToS. In this case, yes the practice is somewhat annoying but probably is something related to their policy.
at least they have been open and honest on this matter (and not maybe asking two times KYC ...)
in any case, if some rules of ToS are not ok with a player, just change the casino. There a lot of options for everyone.

Sometimes the terms and conditions are not very clear, especially at some casino sites they will not mention clearly if the KYC is needed or not and they may allow deposits and playing without KYC.

In this case, do not be carried away that you have landed on the KYC free casino, better ask the support and get clear instructions as if the KYC is required and when. Otherwise, you will get a surprise when you will try to withdraw. Sometimes the casino allows you to withdraw less amount and stops you when you are trying to make a large withdrawal.
In summary, be clear about everything, before playing.

[HONDACD125]

every casino can choose and adopt their ToS. In this case, yes the practice is somewhat annoying but probably is something related to their policy.
at least they have been open and honest on this matter (and not maybe asking two times KYC ...)
in any case, if some rules of ToS are not ok with a player, just change the casino. There a lot of options for everyone.

+1.

No one is bound to use a single casino platform, and every gambler has the freedom to choose the platform they deem fit for themselves based on their wishes and requirements. If a gambler wants to complete KYC in advance to avoid problems in the future with withdrawals and everything, they should find a casino that allows them to do that, if a casino doesn't allow this, and it's against their terms and conditions or policies, there is no need to make an issue out of it.

OP should simply look for an alternative option if they think FortuneJack isn't allowing them to do something that they want to do. We have tons of casino platforms available here in the forum itself, do some research, ask their customer support or representative whether they will allow you to do KYC in advance, and when you find the perfect match, use that platform.

[mak013]

every casino can choose and adopt their ToS. In this case, yes the practice is somewhat annoying but probably is something related to their policy.
at least they have been open and honest on this matter (and not maybe asking two times KYC ...)
in any case, if some rules of ToS are not ok with a player, just change the casino. There a lot of options for everyone.

You are absolutely right specially with the last line of your comment, this is possibly one of the reasons what it's always advised that gambler take the time out to read the casinos terms and conditions before engaging with the casino in or with funds.
And even when the player does not have the time to spend on reading lengthy write ups, the player can atleast do the same thing op did, which is to contact the casino's customer support and inquire from him or her some vital informations about the casino, specially as it concerns deposits, withdrawals, playing and winning games, use of VPN and so on and on.

This ensures that issues do not arise in the future that could lead to the player possibly losing his or her funds unjustly and so on..

The OP is a vise man. He make everything to avoid any problems and questions from security. It can be example for lots of members who first of all do something and after problems cry here.

every casino can choose and adopt their ToS. In this case, yes the practice is somewhat annoying but probably is something related to their policy.
at least they have been open and honest on this matter (and not maybe asking two times KYC ...)
in any case, if some rules of ToS are not ok with a player, just change the casino. There a lot of options for everyone.

+1.

No one is bound to use a single casino platform, and every gambler has the freedom to choose the platform they deem fit for themselves based on their wishes and requirements. If a gambler wants to complete KYC in advance to avoid problems in the future with withdrawals and everything, they should find a casino that allows them to do that, if a casino doesn't allow this, and it's against their terms and conditions or policies, there is no need to make an issue out of it.

OP should simply look for an alternative option if they think FortuneJack isn't allowing them to do something that they want to do. We have tons of casino platforms available here in the forum itself, do some research, ask their customer support or representative whether they will allow you to do KYC in advance, and when you find the perfect match, use that platform.

If you read the OPs` first post - he said that he choose another casino. He just inform about such situation and comment why he don`t want to use FJ.

[Kavelj22]

The main part of well-known casino will pay as the result, but you will spend some time trying to get your prize. In the offline casino my record was about 1,5 month, even with personal visit to the bookies` office.
I can`t recommend some casino - in the main part of casinos i still use - i was KYCed due to several deposit-withdrawals, so i even didn`t searched for such an opportunity.

The problem is not with the well-known casinos, and those casinos are few in number and there is no criticism about them, and here I am focusing on the casinos based on crypto. But we currently have a large number of casinos in the market that share relatively the same policies, but differ in their implementation, considering that those policies are flexible in a way that allows the casino to impose types of procedures that may be arbitrary or the purpose of which may be to scam users’ deposits. For example, it is logical to impose KYC procedures within the framework of the policy of combating money laundering and suspicious activities, but it cannot be logical for this to be only at the request of the casino and in cases that can be read in different ways.

Unfortunately, this is a reality that we find ourselves forced to deal with when it comes to online casinos, especially those residing in countries that do not support their online activities.

The problem is with every casino that allows themselves such way of KYC. Fortune jack is well-known as for me, but they refuse to KYC the gambler when he want. I think that the OP willn`t has problem with KYC in this casino, but he mustn`t make withdrawals to be KYCed.
The only difference between big casino and unknown - big, named casino will pay and the others can steal your prize using ToS and KYC for it.

I think this is no longer the norm as we might imagine. It means that the issue cannot be trusted for some casinos over others in terms of integrity and seniority. The evidence for this is in the accusations section, where there are many serious cases of delayed or disrupted withdrawals under the pretext of completing KYC verification procedures without any clear justification. One of these cases is that a person has winnings worth more than $ 5 million with all guarantees that he did not violate any of the platform’s policies, whether related to games or any possibility of manipulation, and he is prohibited from withdrawing without providing any convincing argument to this day. The platform he used is reliable and known for its integrity and even its financial ability to pay the user’s winnings. There are many who are following the case since the complaining member has promised that he will pursue the platform legally and has confirmed that he is actually in contact with lawyers.

[batang_bitcoin]

when I start playing on a new poker site (and intend to deposit/withdrawal) I ALWAYS try and get any KYC stuff out of the way... I certainly don't want that weighing on me while playing wondering if I win, WILL I able withdraw it? Just another form of tilt to avoid IMO

I don't think this is a weird or odd request at all IMO

It's not a weird request. OP or someone that does want to do it is trying to avoid the hassle and drama that the casino will give to them if ever they want to withdraw later on. I think it's not about any amount that you're about to withdraw but the emotional effect to itself is giving that anxiety for the gambler that why they have to delay the withdrawals just for the KYC when you've asked for it earlier but they don't want to. What's weird is that they should allow this to happen knowing that once they trigger the withdrawal button and asks for it, they'd still ask for it and you have to obey on it for which you've already prepared for.

[avp2306]

when I start playing on a new poker site (and intend to deposit/withdrawal) I ALWAYS try and get any KYC stuff out of the way... I certainly don't want that weighing on me while playing wondering if I win, WILL I able withdraw it? Just another form of tilt to avoid IMO

I don't think this is a weird or odd request at all IMO

It's not a weird request. OP or someone that does want to do it is trying to avoid the hassle and drama that the casino will give to them if ever they want to withdraw later on. I think it's not about any amount that you're about to withdraw but the emotional effect to itself is giving that anxiety for the gambler that why they have to delay the withdrawals just for the KYC when you've asked for it earlier but they don't want to. What's weird is that they should allow this to happen knowing that once they trigger the withdrawal button and asks for it, they'd still ask for it and you have to obey on it for which you've already prepared for.

Its normal request for a user since there are people willing to comply more earlier since what they believe is they can avoid any further issues if KYC has been submitted already. But submitting our KYC early doesn't really mean we are safe from troubles since there still instances that this will be ask if casino find something issues happening in our accounts. But since OP is look at FJ which is reputable so far I guess he just follow the recommendation of the support then continue to gamble if he's comfortable enough for doing it even if his request has been denied.

I understand the point of OP on why he want to request that but I guess each casino follow their rules and everything will be asked in proper time. For withdrawals issues when KYC has been asked I guess that is one of the consequences needed to go on and we just make sure to submit everything needed when KYC has been asked so that we can lower the waiting time and make sure that there will be no further delays will happen.