bookmaker refusing to do KYC in advance - fortune jack btw-

[delfastTions]

I consider this normal simply based on the laws of operation of any business.  Including in the gambling industry.  This law clearly tells us that minimizing expenses and maximizing income is what any normal, sane businessman does, and this is obvious and correct.  So, any businessman will reduce expenses that, to some extent, can be considered not entirely necessary or that can simply not be spent.

I beg to disagree with you about this law you quoted my friend, no law states you should minimize cost thereby abandoning your statutory responsibility for standard service to your client/customer. You are only bringing this out of the company's consideration for productivity which will be selfish if they lag in their required responsible service.
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But I also disagree with you simply for the reason that the issues of the need or absence of KYC in casinos, which are fully operational in the legal sphere of regulation by laws or rules from local regulators, allow them to be interpreted with some deviations.  And if a business sees that a permissible deviation from the rule of law, which is not a violation of the law, will reduce its costs, then obviously it will take advantage of it.  The example discussed in this topic of a casino refusing to accept documents may very well be such a case.  I would call this situation in legal regulation “permissible deviation of the rule of law.”  A similar situation occurs in almost all areas of legal regulation.

[mak013]

Basic verifications may take a few minutes to verify through an automated system but some people get the fake verifications get approved though this system. If at any time the casino randomly checks the verifications or they need to investigate any gamblers and by chance, if they find doubt in the KYC verification, it may get the account terminated or block the casino. I think that automated KYC procedures casino aren't reliable and some sites may not a strong check system in place to distinguish between real and fake documents.

This verification of a thing is not so burdensome as some people take it and as the automated verification could verify the fake documents at times, so is the manual verification. This can only mean that no means of verification is perfect, not even in the airports, some passports and visas are not actually from the right authorities but would still be passed by them. If a well-equipped and sophisticated point of entry could be deceived that much, casinos should not prove to be the hero, many fake documents would pass their radar undetected. Even the government knows this, but what the government is required of them is to do their part and leave the rest, they can't be perfect.

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

[Wapfika]

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

Automated verification usually ask of selfie holding the ID use for KYC that makes it very hard to cheat by someone who bought only ID to use in KYC. There are some user providing full KYC services including the selfie however this kind of cheat can’t be avoided even by manual verification since it fully satisfies KYC procedure.

I really prefer automatic verification process because it’s quick and easy to be approved compared to manual KYC that usually take some time to be approved due to the volume they are handling for manual verification.

I think most casino use automated verification to speed up the process. I’m not sure whether FJ use it too since they refuse to do pre KYC.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I take long breaks of days without betting, because this requires time to analyze the performance of the clubs. I personally don't let emotions affect my betting decisions, this makes the probability of chasing losses drop considerably.

It is a very good strategy, I consider that each person has their style to play, to pose and that is very valid, in itself what is sought is to have the best strategy that can be adapted to the personality of each person, I personally do not make sports bets every day, I only realize that I have a very good chance of winning, and I think that for me that is only better, whether I win or not, because I also realize that it was what I took into consideration to make a particular bet, Always the most important thing before any bet, whether you win or lose, know why it happened and learn.

[Kavelj22]

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

It seems that you haven't done automated verification for a long time. Systems have evolved and improved a lot from what they were and it has become more difficult to cheat them. Personally, I completed automated verification a week ago on my trading platform and I was surprised by the speed and perfection of the procedures without any need for manual intervention. All the program did was match my selfie photo with the photo on my passport and it did not take more than a few seconds to finish and get a fully activated account. Some casinos may still rely on manual verification and this is somewhat understandable since human evaluation is more accurate in cases of manipulation and therefore automated verification is not enough, in addition to the fact that manual verification takes time, especially if the user intends to make withdrawals, meaning that he can bet part or all of the withdrawal amount while waiting for the manual verification procedures to be completed.

[Forsyth Jones]

It is a very good strategy, I consider that each person has their style to play, to pose and that is very valid, in itself what is sought is to have the best strategy that can be adapted to the personality of each person, I personally do not make sports bets every day, I only realize that I have a very good chance of winning, and I think that for me that is only better, whether I win or not, because I also realize that it was what I took into consideration to make a particular bet, Always the most important thing before any bet, whether you win or lose, know why it happened and learn.

Yes, when I don't have good expectations about both teams it's better not to bet at that moment, I always select matches to bet on that I have more affinity with as well, in addition to checking whether the teams are in good shape or not.

[Russlenat]

It is a very good strategy, I consider that each person has their style to play, to pose and that is very valid, in itself what is sought is to have the best strategy that can be adapted to the personality of each person, I personally do not make sports bets every day, I only realize that I have a very good chance of winning, and I think that for me that is only better, whether I win or not, because I also realize that it was what I took into consideration to make a particular bet, Always the most important thing before any bet, whether you win or lose, know why it happened and learn.

Yes, when I don't have good expectations about both teams it's better not to bet at that moment, I always select matches to bet on that I have more affinity with as well, in addition to checking whether the teams are in good shape or not.

Let us not let this thread deviate from its original purpose. We can discuss FJ not accepting KYC in advance, and if there's nothing more to add on the topic, then I suggest that the OP close this thread.

[mak013]

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

It seems that you haven't done automated verification for a long time. Systems have evolved and improved a lot from what they were and it has become more difficult to cheat them. Personally, I completed automated verification a week ago on my trading platform and I was surprised by the speed and perfection of the procedures without any need for manual intervention. All the program did was match my selfie photo with the photo on my passport and it did not take more than a few seconds to finish and get a fully activated account. Some casinos may still rely on manual verification and this is somewhat understandable since human evaluation is more accurate in cases of manipulation and therefore automated verification is not enough, in addition to the fact that manual verification takes time, especially if the user intends to make withdrawals, meaning that he can bet part or all of the withdrawal amount while waiting for the manual verification procedures to be completed.

May be you`re right. I hadn`t no one automated verification at least one or two years or even more. But anyway i think that nowadays the only serious KYC is videocall. When the operator ask you some questions, asks to show your documents in different positions, etc. If i get an id with colored photo - i think i can easy enough make fake selfie with it.

[EarnOnVictor]

Basic verifications may take a few minutes to verify through an automated system but some people get the fake verifications get approved though this system. If at any time the casino randomly checks the verifications or they need to investigate any gamblers and by chance, if they find doubt in the KYC verification, it may get the account terminated or block the casino. I think that automated KYC procedures casino aren't reliable and some sites may not a strong check system in place to distinguish between real and fake documents.

This verification of a thing is not so burdensome as some people take it and as the automated verification could verify the fake documents at times, so is the manual verification. This can only mean that no means of verification is perfect, not even in the airports, some passports and visas are not actually from the right authorities but would still be passed by them. If a well-equipped and sophisticated point of entry could be deceived that much, casinos should not prove to be the hero, many fake documents would pass their radar undetected. Even the government knows this, but what the government is required of them is to do their part and leave the rest, they can't be perfect.

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

You have a valid point, but I maintain that what could slip through the automatic verification may also slip through the manual verification process because, these days they are merely adding the human eyes to make it manual, all the needed technology is also deployed for the automatic verification exercise. I cited the airport and port of entry as examples, this is not a joke. I am not talking about some kind of doctored documents but the perfectly finished ones. Some fake documents are authentic too, the only difference is that the authorities did not issue them. The qualities and all security features are there, so we can't blame either the automatic or the manual verification process when such documents slip through.

[EarnOnVictor]

I consider this normal simply based on the laws of operation of any business.  Including in the gambling industry.  This law clearly tells us that minimizing expenses and maximizing income is what any normal, sane businessman does, and this is obvious and correct.  So, any businessman will reduce expenses that, to some extent, can be considered not entirely necessary or that can simply not be spent.

I beg to disagree with you about this law you quoted my friend, no law states you should minimize cost thereby abandoning your statutory responsibility for standard service to your client/customer. You are only bringing this out of the company's consideration for productivity which will be selfish if they lag in their required responsible service.
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But I also disagree with you simply for the reason that the issues of the need or absence of KYC in casinos, which are fully operational in the legal sphere of regulation by laws or rules from local regulators, allow them to be interpreted with some deviations.  And if a business sees that a permissible deviation from the rule of law, which is not a violation of the law, will reduce its costs, then obviously it will take advantage of it.  The example discussed in this topic of a casino refusing to accept documents may very well be such a case.  I would call this situation in legal regulation “permissible deviation of the rule of law.”  A similar situation occurs in almost all areas of legal regulation.

I agree with you that there are permissible deviations in law but certainly disagree with you in the context you used it. The law and regulations in finance are strictly stated and must be adhered to, otherwise, you would be slammed with a fine or worse depending on the offence. What makes casinos delay the KYC or try to play smart about it (just like what you are defending where FJ did not allow a KYC completion for a reason never stated) is because of weak regulation or no regulation at all, period!

You dare not try that in the financial market unless you are not regulated, if you are caught, it's a very big problem. This is why you see those traditional brokers ensuring that you complete your KYC ASAP, and presently, with all my new accounts opened, no broker allowed a single deposit before completing your KYC, that is regulation talking. But with casinos, many perceived some of them as truly regulated but they might not be regulated at all, which is why they can do and undo and get away with it.

You also mentioned the cost as an excuse for delaying the KYC, how defenceless is that defence? If a company is not ready, it MUST wait in a truly regulated environment.

[mak013]

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

You have a valid point, but I maintain that what could slip through the automatic verification may also slip through the manual verification process because, these days they are merely adding the human eyes to make it manual, all the needed technology is also deployed for the automatic verification exercise. I cited the airport and port of entry as examples, this is not a joke. I am not talking about some kind of doctored documents but the perfectly finished ones. Some fake documents are authentic too, the only difference is that the authorities did not issue them. The qualities and all security features are there, so we can't blame either the automatic or the manual verification process when such documents slip through.

I think that always it would be an opportunity to hack the system. And even manual verification can`t break it. + various AI systems helps to cheat. But for the main part of the cheaters it would be enough videocall to prove the truth of the id.
May be even automated verification would be enough to compare selfie with the id, but as for me it is too easy to correct the photo today. Anyway, i think that security can calculate their expenses and compare what way would be the best one.

[Russlenat]

The law and regulations in finance are strictly stated and must be adhered to, otherwise, you would be slammed with a fine or worse depending on the offence.

Can post the specific law you are referring? just to verify if that specif law really exist.

What makes casinos delay the KYC or try to play smart about it (just like what you are defending where FJ did not allow a KYC completion for a reason never stated) is because of weak regulation or no regulation at all, period!

We would have an interesting discussion about this if you'll post the specific law that FJ have violated.

You dare not try that in the financial market unless you are not regulated, if you are caught, it's a very big problem. This is why you see those traditional brokers ensuring that you complete your KYC ASAP, and presently, with all my new accounts opened, no broker allowed a single deposit before completing your KYC, that is regulation talking. But with casinos, many perceived some of them as truly regulated but they might not be regulated at all, which is why they can do and undo and get away with it.

You also mentioned the cost as an excuse for delaying the KYC, how defenceless is that defence? If a company is not ready, it MUST wait in a truly regulated environment.

This isn't entirely applicable to all of the users or all of the casinos. Why? because there are casinos that allow its users to gamble even without a KYC, and they are regulated, so if they believe they'll be penalized in doing so, they should now allow it to happen, instead will have to strictly implement "the  law""" that a gambler needs to pass the KYC first before being eligible to gamble.

[delfastTions]

I consider this normal simply based on the laws of operation of any business.  Including in the gambling industry.  This law clearly tells us that minimizing expenses and maximizing income is what any normal, sane businessman does, and this is obvious and correct.  So, any businessman will reduce expenses that, to some extent, can be considered not entirely necessary or that can simply not be spent.

I beg to disagree with you about this law you quoted my friend, no law states you should minimize cost thereby abandoning your statutory responsibility for standard service to your client/customer. You are only bringing this out of the company's consideration for productivity which will be selfish if they lag in their required responsible service.
.....

But I also disagree with you simply for the reason that the issues of the need or absence of KYC in casinos, which are fully operational in the legal sphere of regulation by laws or rules from local regulators, allow them to be interpreted with some deviations.  And if a business sees that a permissible deviation from the rule of law, which is not a violation of the law, will reduce its costs, then obviously it will take advantage of it.  The example discussed in this topic of a casino refusing to accept documents may very well be such a case.  I would call this situation in legal regulation “permissible deviation of the rule of law.”  A similar situation occurs in almost all areas of legal regulation.

I agree with you that there are permissible deviations in law but certainly disagree with you in the context you used it. The law and regulations in finance are strictly stated and must be adhered to, otherwise, you would be slammed with a fine or worse depending on the offence. What makes casinos delay the KYC or try to play smart about it (just like what you are defending where FJ did not allow a KYC completion for a reason never stated) is because of weak regulation or no regulation at all, period!

You dare not try that in the financial market unless you are not regulated, if you are caught, it's a very big problem. This is why you see those traditional brokers ensuring that you complete your KYC ASAP, and presently, with all my new accounts opened, no broker allowed a single deposit before completing your KYC, that is regulation talking. But with casinos, many perceived some of them as truly regulated but they might not be regulated at all, which is why they can do and undo and get away with it.

You also mentioned the cost as an excuse for delaying the KYC, how defenceless is that defence? If a company is not ready, it MUST wait in a truly regulated environment.

The whole point is that the entire huge army of gamblers is divided into two huge classes or groups. These are players who are ready to provide the casino with their personal data and play 100% legally. And a huge number of players who are passionate about gambling and under no circumstances want or even cannot lose their anonymity. There can be many reasons for this, from government bans by the laws of their country of residence to completely ordinary family reasons. So, you must agree, ignoring this second huge group of players because of their anonymity is simply wrong and even simply impossible. These two prerequisites give rise to these issues with KYC and their implementation or refusal of the casino to implement it. And such casinos may operate in a "gray" area of ​​​​the law, or in a special jurisdiction where the requirements for personal data are weakened, but they should still work because this is a service in demand by millions of gamblers around the world.
 And by the way, it is also waiting for its legally appropriate regulation, taking into account the implementation of human rights requirements generally accepted throughout the world.

[EarnOnVictor]

The law and regulations in finance are strictly stated and must be adhered to, otherwise, you would be slammed with a fine or worse depending on the offence.

Can post the specific law you are referring? just to verify if that specif law really exist.

You surprised me with this question to the point that I was wondering if you are kidding or something. Do you mean you don't know that laws guide the finance operation in countries, which can even differ by country since the extant laws of different countries are not the same? Just like gambling law, we have it different by country and the same goes for regulation rules. You expect me to bring out all of them one after the other for you, to prove what?

You can do better to educate yourself if you so desire, the internet is there for you.

[Kavelj22]

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

It seems that you haven't done automated verification for a long time. Systems have evolved and improved a lot from what they were and it has become more difficult to cheat them. Personally, I completed automated verification a week ago on my trading platform and I was surprised by the speed and perfection of the procedures without any need for manual intervention. All the program did was match my selfie photo with the photo on my passport and it did not take more than a few seconds to finish and get a fully activated account. Some casinos may still rely on manual verification and this is somewhat understandable since human evaluation is more accurate in cases of manipulation and therefore automated verification is not enough, in addition to the fact that manual verification takes time, especially if the user intends to make withdrawals, meaning that he can bet part or all of the withdrawal amount while waiting for the manual verification procedures to be completed.

May be you`re right. I hadn`t no one automated verification at least one or two years or even more. But anyway i think that nowadays the only serious KYC is videocall. When the operator ask you some questions, asks to show your documents in different positions, etc. If i get an id with colored photo - i think i can easy enough make fake selfie with it.

No system is without loopholes and all levels of verification can be manipulated even via video call. The purpose of manual verification is to reduce the chances of manipulation but it cannot be eliminated completely. We all know that there are those who provide accounts with accurate identification data and the automated verification system allows account traders to sell accounts safely because the system will not suspect anything when the data is correct.
From the user’s point of view, automated verification procedures are easier and require less waiting time as the process takes only a few minutes. Most gamblers prefer automated KYC (Know Your Customer) verification because it is faster and more convenient than manual verification. Automated verification usually requires a photo ID and proof of address, and this data is processed automatically. Manual verification requires submitting documents in person or by mail, which takes longer and exposes them to the risk of delay or rejection. Therefore, gamblers prefer the speed and convenience that automated verification provides.

[Russlenat]

The law and regulations in finance are strictly stated and must be adhered to, otherwise, you would be slammed with a fine or worse depending on the offence.

Can post the specific law you are referring? just to verify if that specif law really exist.

You surprised me with this question to the point that I was wondering if you are kidding or something. Do you mean you don't know that laws guide the finance operation in countries, which can even differ by country since the extant laws of different countries are not the same? Just like gambling law, we have it different by country and the same goes for regulation rules. You expect me to bring out all of them one after the other for you, to prove what?

You brought that up, and I don't understand your explanation of why not accepting KYC in advance is against the law—that's why I asked. So, in order for me to believe you, please state some facts and cite the particular law you mentioned. That way, it won’t just convince me, but also others. Don’t talk about a certain law if you can't even post a specific law and its source to prove it really exists.

You can do better to educate yourself if you so desire, the internet is there for you.

LOL, because you don't know, you want me to educate myself? Come on, you're the one who brought it up, so you should educate me (or us).


How about we talk about this "why not accepting KYC in advance is against the law" so we will not go anywhere else.

[mak013]

May be you`re right. I hadn`t no one automated verification at least one or two years or even more. But anyway i think that nowadays the only serious KYC is videocall. When the operator ask you some questions, asks to show your documents in different positions, etc. If i get an id with colored photo - i think i can easy enough make fake selfie with it.

No system is without loopholes and all levels of verification can be manipulated even via video call. The purpose of manual verification is to reduce the chances of manipulation but it cannot be eliminated completely. We all know that there are those who provide accounts with accurate identification data and the automated verification system allows account traders to sell accounts safely because the system will not suspect anything when the data is correct.
From the user’s point of view, automated verification procedures are easier and require less waiting time as the process takes only a few minutes. Most gamblers prefer automated KYC (Know Your Customer) verification because it is faster and more convenient than manual verification. Automated verification usually requires a photo ID and proof of address, and this data is processed automatically. Manual verification requires submitting documents in person or by mail, which takes longer and exposes them to the risk of delay or rejection. Therefore, gamblers prefer the speed and convenience that automated verification provides.

Last time i mostly see the choice between videocall and visiting the office. And all of it after sending selfie with id and some text on paper, id, bills, something else. It looks like that the casino makes manual KYC every time, when i KYCed automatically.
I can`t calculate without any information what would be more efficient for the bookie - to buy automated system and sometimes make manual KYC or to pay salary to manual KYC everyone. I think that it is some result sum of the several sums - loses from cheaters, increase/decrease the quantity of gamblers, salary for manual KYC, buying automated KYC system, etc. In some ideal world the result can change due to these factors change, but i don`t think that something change in the casinos until any big problem.

[EarnOnVictor]

I consider this normal simply based on the laws of operation of any business.  Including in the gambling industry.  This law clearly tells us that minimizing expenses and maximizing income is what any normal, sane businessman does, and this is obvious and correct.  So, any businessman will reduce expenses that, to some extent, can be considered not entirely necessary or that can simply not be spent.

I beg to disagree with you about this law you quoted my friend, no law states you should minimize cost thereby abandoning your statutory responsibility for standard service to your client/customer. You are only bringing this out of the company's consideration for productivity which will be selfish if they lag in their required responsible service.
.....

But I also disagree with you simply for the reason that the issues of the need or absence of KYC in casinos, which are fully operational in the legal sphere of regulation by laws or rules from local regulators, allow them to be interpreted with some deviations.  And if a business sees that a permissible deviation from the rule of law, which is not a violation of the law, will reduce its costs, then obviously it will take advantage of it.  The example discussed in this topic of a casino refusing to accept documents may very well be such a case.  I would call this situation in legal regulation “permissible deviation of the rule of law.”  A similar situation occurs in almost all areas of legal regulation.

I agree with you that there are permissible deviations in law but certainly disagree with you in the context you used it. The law and regulations in finance are strictly stated and must be adhered to, otherwise, you would be slammed with a fine or worse depending on the offence. What makes casinos delay the KYC or try to play smart about it (just like what you are defending where FJ did not allow a KYC completion for a reason never stated) is because of weak regulation or no regulation at all, period!

You dare not try that in the financial market unless you are not regulated, if you are caught, it's a very big problem. This is why you see those traditional brokers ensuring that you complete your KYC ASAP, and presently, with all my new accounts opened, no broker allowed a single deposit before completing your KYC, that is regulation talking. But with casinos, many perceived some of them as truly regulated but they might not be regulated at all, which is why they can do and undo and get away with it.

You also mentioned the cost as an excuse for delaying the KYC, how defenceless is that defence? If a company is not ready, it MUST wait in a truly regulated environment.

The whole point is that the entire huge army of gamblers is divided into two huge classes or groups. These are players who are ready to provide the casino with their personal data and play 100% legally. And a huge number of players who are passionate about gambling and under no circumstances want or even cannot lose their anonymity. There can be many reasons for this, from government bans by the laws of their country of residence to completely ordinary family reasons. So, you must agree, ignoring this second huge group of players because of their anonymity is simply wrong and even simply impossible. These two prerequisites give rise to these issues with KYC and their implementation or refusal of the casino to implement it.

This is deviating from the discussion, anyone who does not want their data to be known by the casinos should opt for a KYC casino. But this is different from this casino here, it's obviously a KYC casino, so why ignore a customer who is ready to complete his KYC? That is what I still do not know, something that has more undertone than the way you are talking about this. This kind of vice is what causes issues for the customer later when they are either a good player or want to withdrawal big, how convenient is that? Every serious casino/company should be ready for everything possible, so let's stop giving excuses for the lack of preparedness or vices as the case may be.

And such casinos may operate in a "gray" area of ​​​​the law, or in a special jurisdiction where the requirements for personal data are weakened, but they should still work because this is a service in demand by millions of gamblers around the world.

Now you are talking, bro and this takes us back to the beginning of our conversation. If you read some of my first posts, you will realise that I maintained that what FJ did can only be possible when the casino is either unregulated but faking it or they are weakly regulated. This is not an informal setting and all these things you are arguing in favour can't be possible under strict regulation, it's either you are ready or you wait until you are adequate for the casino tasks/requirements and the demands of your customers.

[KiaKia]

Automated verification is enough easy to cheat. i saw services that sell peoples` data with id and some other documents. When someone knows what is checked(for example compare name/surname in the account information and in the id) - it would be easy to use some kind of such services. And such account will be KYCed - it wilnn`t has any restrictions for withdraw. Only manual KYC, may be with required videocall.

Automated verification usually ask of selfie holding the ID use for KYC that makes it very hard to cheat by someone who bought only ID to use in KYC. There are some user providing full KYC services including the selfie however this kind of cheat can’t be avoided even by manual verification since it fully satisfies KYC procedure.

I really prefer automatic verification process because it’s quick and easy to be approved compared to manual KYC that usually take some time to be approved due to the volume they are handling for manual verification.

I think most casino use automated verification to speed up the process. I’m not sure whether FJ use it too since they refuse to do pre KYC.

You are not alone on this one, manual verification takes time and also the team can decide to not accept your verification intentionally, but of the casino partnered with popular online verification platform e.g block pass then it will be automated, in this age where technology is advanced there shouldn't be used of manual verification.

I don't intentionallyall online casinos pass verification only after you are to withdraw from the platform, but just in case you need to always check or ask first before using the platform, you are free to say no if you don't like the idea, I think most online casinos are doing this intentionally so that they can disapprove some verification ID and stuff.

If KYC were passed from the start people can start using different location with no fear of getting their identity denied, also if the way the gambler made the money isn't fair they will still be able to withdraw without better crosscheck.

[Russlenat]

>>>>so why ignore a customer who is ready to complete his KYC?

Seriously, are you reading FJ's reply that's attached as a screenshot in the original post?

Dude, they didn't ignore the request. They replied that KYC would be asked after a withdrawal request. You're trying to educate us too much without even understanding the whole story, that's weird.