bookmaker refusing to do KYC in advance - fortune jack btw-

[EarnOnVictor]

KYC verification on the time that you do really win up something big then this is something that quite suspicious but since you would really be that eager on trying to get those wins then you would be just simply agree
and comply without any complaints as long you do able to get those wins. Its not really that much of a problem but if they would really be asking even more then this raises up some concern.

As long you are dealing with those things on which are licensed or regulated then expect that they would really be able to monitor you out so easily.
There's no way that you could avoid, and instead on making yourself getting pissed then its better to get used to it.

You follow the rules, it’s as simple as that. Why make things complicated when you can just comply? Whether it's advance or on-time KYC, it doesn’t matter as long as the casino asking for KYC is a regulated one since they're also being monitored. If they do something wrong to gamblers, their license status will be affected, and they could even lose their license if there are too many complaints.

I like the first statement, we should follow the rules of casinos, if we can't, then we should opt out for another one, it is as simple as that. For me, no casino would tell me they are not ready for KYC when I'm ready and expect me to stay, I will run as fast as my legs can take me.

That said, it's easy as you said, how many regulators of casinos are true regulators? Most of them are just figureheads, so this is emboldening many casinos to do as they like with no implication whatsoever from their regulators. That is what customers have to suffer if the regulation is weak. I think you are not considering that though but view it with the eye of a strict regulation.

Let's just chill here. If we don't like advance KYC, don’t push it, and don't criticize a casino just because they have rules. It's simple-if we don’t like it, look for another one. There are so many casinos out there, it's impossible not to find one that fits the terms we prefer.

Agreed! Advanced verification should be at the discretion of the casino after carefully considering some factors internally. This is never a must, everyone should wait until they are asked to complete it.

[Oasisman]

Asking for KYC in advance is a weird practice, is the first time I see a user trying it.

IMO, it's not actually weird. Some users will only want nothing, but for their funds to be safe and secured, and KYC is one of the few things a casino could guarantee to a user that their funds are safe with them.
Also, I think the OP were just trying to avoid future issues with withdrawals, especially with huge wins where the casino could freeze those funds for the account review that includes KYC of course, and that would usually takes days before someone is allowed to withdraw those amount. Situations like these are very frustrating when you needed to make withdrawals as easy as depositing it.
There's no denying that most casinos will have their users comply with KYC and other requirements first, when huge win occurs and the user decides to make withdrawals.

[Russlenat]

Agreed! Advanced verification should be at the discretion of the casino after carefully considering some factors internally. This is never a must, everyone should wait until they are asked to complete it.

I hope others don’t push the idea that if a casino declines an advanced KYC request from a user, it automatically affects their reputation.

From what I’ve read based on my research,

Sportsbooks usually require KYC for major transactions (like big withdrawals or if there’s suspicious activity), but they don’t always enforce it when creating an account or making the first deposits.

Before you make your first withdrawal at your sportsbook, you’ll be required to verify your identity to receive your sports betting winnings.

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/deposits-withdrawals/verifying-your-sportsbook-account/

So it all comes down to when they decide to ask for KYC. As gamblers, we can’t really dictate when they’ll require it, we just need to be prepared when the time comes.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Hi, if it is not a lot of trouble for you, would you mind reuploading the images using https://www.talkimg.com/? at the moment the images you have broken and "about:blank#blocked", so we can't really see what they replied to your request to undergo KYC verification.

Here is the image link; https://ibb.co/WP3DsCR and the rendered image
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The Op erroneously wrote the link twice making it impossible to be rendered or clicked on.

From the chat it seems the support is following the laid down protocol that KYC can only be passed when it is required, they cannot configure your account to do it in advance. Op was also hasty to leave the chat too, it is possible that with some persistence the issue could be advanced to a higher authority and something could be changed.

- Jay -

          -       So this means that with Fortune Jack it is not required that you advance kyc unless they demand you to pass if, for example, you withdraw a large amount that you won on their platform, right? First, such rules implemented by Fortune Jack are good; we can see that they are not after the KYC of their gamblers.

And whatever the OP's decision is, it's his choice, and there's nothing stopping him if he wants to move to a place where he can gamble, and Fortune Jack can't do anything about that. Of course, at the end of the day, the rules will prevail on Fortune Jack anyway.

[delfastTions]

So it all comes down to when they decide to ask for KYC. As gamblers, we can’t really dictate when they’ll require it, we just need to be prepared when the time comes.

And it should be noted that it is this circumstance that seriously spoils the relaxed and cheerful state that you could acquire playing in a casino and knowing in advance that you will in any case get the money you won if you are very lucky. But such confidence is not 100% now not only among anonymous players, which is obvious, but even among those players who are ready to provide their personal data if the casino requires KYC. In general, this is the most important problem of the entire gambling industry today. And it seriously spoils the service itself as a whole, it is worth admitting. But how to solve it with the existing laws on personal data in order to maintain anonymity, apparently, the next generation of politicians, businessmen and bankers will have to figure it out.

[Bushdark]

So it all comes down to when they decide to ask for KYC. As gamblers, we can’t really dictate when they’ll require it, we just need to be prepared when the time comes.

And it should be noted that it is this circumstance that seriously spoils the relaxed and cheerful state that you could acquire playing in a casino and knowing in advance that you will in any case get the money you won if you are very lucky. But such confidence is not 100% now not only among anonymous players, which is obvious, but even among those players who are ready to provide their personal data if the casino requires KYC. In general, this is the most important problem of the entire gambling industry today. And it seriously spoils the service itself as a whole, it is worth admitting. But how to solve it with the existing laws on personal data in order to maintain anonymity, apparently, the next generation of politicians, businessmen and bankers will have to figure it out.

KYC is becoming a norms and I think it's too early for many casinos to be asking for KYC just to restricts their users from gambling further especially asking for document that are too personal to be released. The world supposed to be moving from a centralized world to decentralized where gamblers can make use of casinos without releasing their information to the casino.

Asking for KYC should be regulated by all means because these documents are private and when it gets to the wrong hands, it can be used against individual gamblers which is something the government or regulators have to check to limit future scams.

[delfastTions]

So it all comes down to when they decide to ask for KYC. As gamblers, we can’t really dictate when they’ll require it, we just need to be prepared when the time comes.

And it should be noted that it is this circumstance that seriously spoils the relaxed and cheerful state that you could acquire playing in a casino and knowing in advance that you will in any case get the money you won if you are very lucky. But such confidence is not 100% now not only among anonymous players, which is obvious, but even among those players who are ready to provide their personal data if the casino requires KYC. In general, this is the most important problem of the entire gambling industry today. And it seriously spoils the service itself as a whole, it is worth admitting. But how to solve it with the existing laws on personal data in order to maintain anonymity, apparently, the next generation of politicians, businessmen and bankers will have to figure it out.

KYC is becoming a norms and I think it's too early for many casinos to be asking for KYC just to restricts their users from gambling further especially asking for document that are too personal to be released. The world supposed to be moving from a centralized world to decentralized where gamblers can make use of casinos without releasing their information to the casino.

Asking for KYC should be regulated by all means because these documents are private and when it gets to the wrong hands, it can be used against individual gamblers which is something the government or regulators have to check to limit future scams.

It is precisely in matters of preserving the confidentiality of personal information by all kinds of businesses, including cryptocasinos, that there is a huge legal vacuum, and for example, I have never heard that law enforcement agencies and courts would punish any of the authorized employees seriously, for example, with imprisonment, for a major leak of customer databases into the network. At most, they will pay some kind of fine and that's it! And everyone can continue to steal and distribute personal data of clients on the network. And by the way, thereby helping fraudsters find potential victims for fraud. It seems to me that these laws on the theft of personal data have long been enacted. But none of the legislators do this and do not even write draft laws. They probably do not care about the safety of people in this rather important issue. And about gamblers, including.

[EarnOnVictor]

Hi, if it is not a lot of trouble for you, would you mind reuploading the images using https://www.talkimg.com/? at the moment the images you have broken and "about:blank#blocked", so we can't really see what they replied to your request to undergo KYC verification.

Here is the image link; https://ibb.co/WP3DsCR and the rendered image
.

The Op erroneously wrote the link twice making it impossible to be rendered or clicked on.

From the chat it seems the support is following the laid down protocol that KYC can only be passed when it is required, they cannot configure your account to do it in advance. Op was also hasty to leave the chat too, it is possible that with some persistence the issue could be advanced to a higher authority and something could be changed.

- Jay -

          -       So this means that with Fortune Jack it is not required that you advance kyc unless they demand you to pass if, for example, you withdraw a large amount that you won on their platform, right? First, such rules implemented by Fortune Jack are good; we can see that they are not after the KYC of their gamblers.

And whatever the OP's decision is, it's his choice, and there's nothing stopping him if he wants to move to a place where he can gamble, and Fortune Jack can't do anything about that. Of course, at the end of the day, the rules will prevail on Fortune Jack anyway.

No wonder people are now mistaking this thread for something else, the image that depicts the true chat between the OP and FJ has been deleted, for this, this thread is no longer worth it. For clarity's sake, it's not about an advanced KYC completion and you should have been hinted by the few words the OP wrote in the body. FJ was asking the OP to pend his KYC completion despite being ready to complete it ASAP. The behaviour is so weird and I wonder if it can ever happen in a sane clime where regulation is real and not fake like many casinos pretend. This is no different from the ignoble vice the no-KYC casinos use later when they ask you to complete it with stricter conditions.

[paxmao]

Hi, if it is not a lot of trouble for you, would you mind reuploading the images using https://www.talkimg.com/? at the moment the images you have broken and "about:blank#blocked", so we can't really see what they replied to your request to undergo KYC verification.

Here is the image link; https://ibb.co/WP3DsCR and the rendered image
.

The Op erroneously wrote the link twice making it impossible to be rendered or clicked on.

From the chat it seems the support is following the laid down protocol that KYC can only be passed when it is required, they cannot configure your account to do it in advance. Op was also hasty to leave the chat too, it is possible that with some persistence the issue could be advanced to a higher authority and something could be changed.

- Jay -

          -       So this means that with Fortune Jack it is not required that you advance kyc unless they demand you to pass if, for example, you withdraw a large amount that you won on their platform, right? First, such rules implemented by Fortune Jack are good; we can see that they are not after the KYC of their gamblers.

And whatever the OP's decision is, it's his choice, and there's nothing stopping him if he wants to move to a place where he can gamble, and Fortune Jack can't do anything about that. Of course, at the end of the day, the rules will prevail on Fortune Jack anyway.

No wonder people are now mistaking this thread for something else, the image that depicts the true chat between the OP and FJ has been deleted, for this, this thread is no longer worth it. For clarity's sake, it's not about an advanced KYC completion and you should have been hinted by the few words the OP wrote in the body. FJ was asking the OP to pend his KYC completion despite being ready to complete it ASAP. The behaviour is so weird and I wonder if it can ever happen in a sane clime where regulation is real and not fake like many casinos pretend. This is no different from the ignoble vice the no-KYC casinos use later when they ask you to complete it with stricter conditions.

It is interesting that there is an accusation in the first place, although it is not as much as accusation but rather a depiction of a common problem, which is sites making an aggressive use of what should have been a simple paperwork to prevent customers from getting back their deposit of earnings. This is a wider issue than a chat and I site I would think.

[delfastTions]

Hi, if it is not a lot of trouble for you, would you mind reuploading the images using https://www.talkimg.com/? at the moment the images you have broken and "about:blank#blocked", so we can't really see what they replied to your request to undergo KYC verification.

Here is the image link; https://ibb.co/WP3DsCR and the rendered image
.

The Op erroneously wrote the link twice making it impossible to be rendered or clicked on.

From the chat it seems the support is following the laid down protocol that KYC can only be passed when it is required, they cannot configure your account to do it in advance. Op was also hasty to leave the chat too, it is possible that with some persistence the issue could be advanced to a higher authority and something could be changed.

- Jay -

          -       So this means that with Fortune Jack it is not required that you advance kyc unless they demand you to pass if, for example, you withdraw a large amount that you won on their platform, right? First, such rules implemented by Fortune Jack are good; we can see that they are not after the KYC of their gamblers.

And whatever the OP's decision is, it's his choice, and there's nothing stopping him if he wants to move to a place where he can gamble, and Fortune Jack can't do anything about that. Of course, at the end of the day, the rules will prevail on Fortune Jack anyway.

No wonder people are now mistaking this thread for something else, the image that depicts the true chat between the OP and FJ has been deleted, for this, this thread is no longer worth it. For clarity's sake, it's not about an advanced KYC completion and you should have been hinted by the few words the OP wrote in the body. FJ was asking the OP to pend his KYC completion despite being ready to complete it ASAP. The behaviour is so weird and I wonder if it can ever happen in a sane clime where regulation is real and not fake like many casinos pretend. This is no different from the ignoble vice the no-KYC casinos use later when they ask you to complete it with stricter conditions.

It is interesting that there is an accusation in the first place, although it is not as much as accusation but rather a depiction of a common problem, which is sites making an aggressive use of what should have been a simple paperwork to prevent customers from getting back their deposit of earnings. This is a wider issue than a chat and I site I would think.

Here I also think that all sorts of tricks in the questions of the necessity of KYC or the statement by the casino that KYC is not necessary when playing in this casino, all these options are aimed at somehow complicating the options for the player to receive the money won, especially when the amounts won are quite large. Apparently, some casinos even significantly save their budgets at the expense of such players who, due to such problems, will simply never be able to receive the money they won. And such players still exist and they will continue to appear in the future. This is obvious and inevitable. So KYC is another element of the game in the gaming industry itself. And as a rule, casinos have an undeniable advantage in this game.

[Koadharber]

Asking for KYC in advance is a weird practice, is the first time I see a user trying it.

IMO, it's not actually weird. Some users will only want nothing, but for their funds to be safe and secured, and KYC is one of the few things a casino could guarantee to a user that their funds are safe with them.
Also, I think the OP were just trying to avoid future issues with withdrawals, especially with huge wins where the casino could freeze those funds for the account review that includes KYC of course, and that would usually takes days before someone is allowed to withdraw those amount. Situations like these are very frustrating when you needed to make withdrawals as easy as depositing it.
There's no denying that most casinos will have their users comply with KYC and other requirements first, when huge win occurs and the user decides to make withdrawals.

There's nothing wrong if you do have this kind of insights on which for the sake of security or assuring yourself that you wont be facing up some payout issues later on then you would really be that willing to
comply those KYC on the moment that you would be registering on the site on which its honestly odd. Why? KYC comes after or on the moment that you do win up big and this is something that becomes traditional i suppose. If you've been dealing on a long time running casino and have this kind of set-up then you could be able to assume that they are really just that trying out to follow on what are the rules and regulations given by the government on which this is something no different if we do put them side by side with those fiat casinos that we do know.

[Botnake]

So it all comes down to when they decide to ask for KYC. As gamblers, we can’t really dictate when they’ll require it, we just need to be prepared when the time comes.

And it should be noted that it is this circumstance that seriously spoils the relaxed and cheerful state that you could acquire playing in a casino and knowing in advance that you will in any case get the money you won if you are very lucky. But such confidence is not 100% now not only among anonymous players, which is obvious, but even among those players who are ready to provide their personal data if the casino requires KYC. In general, this is the most important problem of the entire gambling industry today. And it seriously spoils the service itself as a whole, it is worth admitting. But how to solve it with the existing laws on personal data in order to maintain anonymity, apparently, the next generation of politicians, businessmen and bankers will have to figure it out.

We can only rely on our government and casino regulators for help. Don’t expect the casino, even the honest ones, to assist us'----they’re in it for profit and can sometimes be greedy, even violating players' rights as long as they’re within the bounds of the law.

Our only safeguard is the government (regulators), ensuring they do their job by monitoring casinos and protecting players from scams.

In the end, it all comes down to trust..if you trust the government, you can feel more confident gambling in a regulated casino.

[delfastTions]

So it all comes down to when they decide to ask for KYC. As gamblers, we can’t really dictate when they’ll require it, we just need to be prepared when the time comes.

And it should be noted that it is this circumstance that seriously spoils the relaxed and cheerful state that you could acquire playing in a casino and knowing in advance that you will in any case get the money you won if you are very lucky. But such confidence is not 100% now not only among anonymous players, which is obvious, but even among those players who are ready to provide their personal data if the casino requires KYC. In general, this is the most important problem of the entire gambling industry today. And it seriously spoils the service itself as a whole, it is worth admitting. But how to solve it with the existing laws on personal data in order to maintain anonymity, apparently, the next generation of politicians, businessmen and bankers will have to figure it out.

We can only rely on our government and casino regulators for help. Don’t expect the casino, even the honest ones, to assist us'----they’re in it for profit and can sometimes be greedy, even violating players' rights as long as they’re within the bounds of the law.

Our only safeguard is the government (regulators), ensuring they do their job by monitoring casinos and protecting players from scams.

In the end, it all comes down to trust..if you trust the government, you can feel more confident gambling in a regulated casino.

The key here is how much you trust the authorities of your country. I think that in most countries this trust from ordinary people is not very high. Simply because the population in any country has been deceived by local governments so many times before that people have developed immunity to lies from officials. And if we talk about gambling, then no government will help in any way if a player has problems with this casino. Especially if bribery and corruption are thriving in the country.

[Silberman]

The key here is how much you trust the authorities of your country. I think that in most countries this trust from ordinary people is not very high. Simply because the population in any country has been deceived by local governments so many times before that people have developed immunity to lies from officials. And if we talk about gambling, then no government will help in any way if a player has problems with this casino. Especially if bribery and corruption are thriving in the country.

The confidence on politicians, bureaucrats and governments is in an all time low all over the world, and this is this way for one simple reason, that is exactly what they deserve, in fact most people try to do whatever they can to avoid dealing with their governments as they know they will have to deal with all kind of corruption, this is why we need to make small bets when we gamble, because even if we were scammed under that scenario the loss will be so small that you will not care too much about it and you can avoid playing on that casino from now on and just denounce what happened online and move on.

[delfastTions]

The key here is how much you trust the authorities of your country. I think that in most countries this trust from ordinary people is not very high. Simply because the population in any country has been deceived by local governments so many times before that people have developed immunity to lies from officials. And if we talk about gambling, then no government will help in any way if a player has problems with this casino. Especially if bribery and corruption are thriving in the country.

The confidence on politicians, bureaucrats and governments is in an all time low all over the world, and this is this way for one simple reason, that is exactly what they deserve, in fact most people try to do whatever they can to avoid dealing with their governments as they know they will have to deal with all kind of corruption, this is why we need to make small bets when we gamble, because even if we were scammed under that scenario the loss will be so small that you will not care too much about it and you can avoid playing on that casino from now on and just denounce what happened online and move on.

Absolutely correct advice!
This is exactly how you should gamble and try not to approach, and especially not to cross that line when you will have serious problems in life because you have lost a lot of money, as they say, lost more than you could afford. As for trust in the authorities, it is true that in all countries of the world there are probably such political dwarfs in power now that you probably can’t even remember a single truly serious person who would truly represent the image of the future of humanity based on the criteria of the general development of civilization. And this naturally affects the general standard of living of people in all countries. And it is true that each person has a rough idea of ​​what communication with officials will mean for him and approximately how much it will cost because of local corruption.
Well, and help in returning winnings in gambling and in general is not worth thinking about at all.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The key here is how much you trust the authorities of your country. I think that in most countries this trust from ordinary people is not very high. Simply because the population in any country has been deceived by local governments so many times before that people have developed immunity to lies from officials. And if we talk about gambling, then no government will help in any way if a player has problems with this casino. Especially if bribery and corruption are thriving in the country.

The confidence on politicians, bureaucrats and governments is in an all time low all over the world, and this is this way for one simple reason, that is exactly what they deserve, in fact most people try to do whatever they can to avoid dealing with their governments as they know they will have to deal with all kind of corruption, this is why we need to make small bets when we gamble, because even if we were scammed under that scenario the loss will be so small that you will not care too much about it and you can avoid playing on that casino from now on and just denounce what happened online and move on.

Greed of several gamblers will never allow them make small bets and this is a fact, with small bets come small loses quite alright, and it can be very pleasing to that your bet lost, and the amount of money staked on it is small, you just think of the insignificance of the amount and simply move on.

But then on the other hand, you place a bet with a small amount of money and won, and the amount of money won is small in equivalence of the amount staked, one instead of being happy begin to feel sad and regret why he or she did not place a higher amount of money on that bet so as to win more.

This is the typical irony of life, man in general can never be contented, so as a man, I always advice you bet with an amount you are comfortable losing bearing in mind the potential winning as well.

[EarnOnVictor]

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This is the typical irony of life, man in general can never be contented, so as a man, I always advice you bet with an amount you are comfortable losing bearing in mind the potential winning as well.

Greed is the sole reason for this and the mind of an average man is seriously greedy, but it tends to be painful at last which is the reason for us to be cautious about our gambling risks. Some people are indeed cautious and face the reality of gambling as it is, but this is little.

Even if a gambler made the mistake of being greedy initially, this should have taught him a lesson and talked sense into him, but the reverse is the reality when you see them again, it is as if they are senseless and too desperate to make money out of gambling. I wonder how this set of people can obey the golden gambling rule of "gambling with the amount of money you can afford to lose."

No wonder you see them crying after some matches or attempting all manners of unspeakable things. Gambling will never be the avenue for the majority of gamblers to be rich, if this is possible or would happen one day, then all bookmakers will go bankrupt, which is not possible.

[Botnake]

The key here is how much you trust the authorities of your country. I think that in most countries this trust from ordinary people is not very high. Simply because the population in any country has been deceived by local governments so many times before that people have developed immunity to lies from officials. And if we talk about gambling, then no government will help in any way if a player has problems with this casino. Especially if bribery and corruption are thriving in the country.

If that's how you feel, having no trust in the government, then you shouldn’t be gambling in a regulated casino. A decentralized casino would be a better fit, where you bear all the risk. That's how it goes; we all have our preferences, and we go where we’re satisfied, regardless of the level of risk involved.

[ethereumhunter]

The key here is how much you trust the authorities of your country. I think that in most countries this trust from ordinary people is not very high. Simply because the population in any country has been deceived by local governments so many times before that people have developed immunity to lies from officials. And if we talk about gambling, then no government will help in any way if a player has problems with this casino. Especially if bribery and corruption are thriving in the country.

If that's how you feel, having no trust in the government, then you shouldn’t be gambling in a regulated casino. A decentralized casino would be a better fit, where you bear all the risk. That's how it goes; we all have our preferences, and we go where we’re satisfied, regardless of the level of risk involved.

We have our own risk when playing gambling so we must understand how to manage the risk whether if we play on centralized or decentralized casino because those casino will have advantage and disadvantage. Related to the corrupt government, that will exist in many countries but if we have a problem with the casino and that casino is regulated to our government, we can try to search an honest officials so they can help us and solve our problem. I am sure that we still have an honest officials that will works for their people and helping those who needs their help. However, we still need the help from government if that is about casino that regulated to our government.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The confidence on politicians, bureaucrats and governments is in an all time low all over the world, and this is this way for one simple reason, that is exactly what they deserve, in fact most people try to do whatever they can to avoid dealing with their governments as they know they will have to deal with all kind of corruption, this is why we need to make small bets when we gamble, because even if we were scammed under that scenario the loss will be so small that you will not care too much about it and you can avoid playing on that casino from now on and just denounce what happened online and move on.

When a government takes action, any business rots completely, the government knows that gambling is a constant money coming in, this does not bother them, because all governments like to have a key where they open and pure money comes out but for them, not for others, and this is something that is happening in all countries worldwide, there is no country that escapes this, they get involved with everything except the money for themselves, because they are capable of starting wars, in every casino where you play this will always be present.