Does the forum need so much politics?

[mindrust]

Let’s don’t go off-topic, this topic is about whether we need so much politics or so less politics in the forum.

There are many other threads where you can discuss Bitcoin’s shortcomings.

[Mate2237]

I thought it wouldn’t be fair if we only had a campaign for Trump. So I have created one for Kamala.

I think my campaigns brought some life to the forum. People have more reason to make posts now.

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.

I give up. I am supporting Kamala for the next unknown number of days, maybe months. You won. For now.

May I join the Commie club now?

From your first comment I thought your neutral and not bias about your campaign but from the second quote here, you are bias and everything the Op said is correct. You have taking the forum as Political campaign ground. If you were not bias to support one candidate, you would have merged the two major candidates for one campaign and ask the forum to vote the candidate of their choice. And I don't think your campaign has created any traffic in the forum as you claimed in one of your comment.

We can only discuss politics in the forum and not to play politics. And now you are bringing politics to the forum. And base your motive of the campaign thread, it is better to move it to Politics and Society because it has nothing to do in the service board. examplens thanks for your well observation.

[hilariousandco]

[OPEN] Kamala 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
[OPEN] Trump 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

They were both moved to Off Topic. I thought they were pretty funny though.

[mindrust]

From your first comment I thought your neutral and not bias about your campaign but from the second quote here, you are bias and everything the Op said is correct. You have taking the forum as Political campaign ground. If you were not bias to support one candidate, you would have merged the two major candidates for one campaign and ask the forum to vote the candidate of their choice. And I don't think your campaign has created any traffic in the forum as you claimed in one of your comment.

We can only discuss politics in the forum and not to play politics. And now you are bringing politics to the forum. And base your motive of the campaign thread, it is better to move it to Politics and Society because it has nothing to do in the service board. examplens thanks for your well observation.

It did create traffic. You made this comment above to express your feelings about it.

They were both moved to Off Topic. I thought they were pretty funny though.

Thank you comrade.

[JollyGood]

I can see both sides, those that see it in bad faith as well as those that have a more humorous perspective. In the end, I doubt there was any intention for promoting either presidential candidate and it was nothing more than a joke especially when you look at the photos of the two protagonists.

If I were in the US and was eligible to vote, I would not be influenced by any signature campaign in the forum or anywhere else. Nor would any advertising or promotion on television, online or in a newspaper influence me. They usually make up their minds long before election day.

You picked an appropriate image for Trump, he looks hilarious in the campaign 

I thought it wouldn’t be fair if we only had a campaign for Trump. So I have created one for Kamala.

I think my campaigns brought some life to the forum. People have more reason to make posts now.

Don’t drive traffic away or we will lose precious sig camps.

[DiMarxist]

[OPEN] Kamala 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
[OPEN] Trump 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

They were both moved to Off Topic. I thought they were pretty funny though.

Thanks for taking quick action on critical issues like this. Op was not fair for the two parties. He would create a thread for the world he supports and leave the other foe another supporter to create and all would have been in politics board so people would contribute to their support thread.
And if these threads were created in the politics board, I don't think it would have been escalated to this level. Op should know what to do when ideas like this come to him.

[SamReomo]

They were both moved to Off Topic. I thought they were pretty funny though.

Great job man! Those topics are good for the Off Topic board instead of services board as that board isn't for such topics at all. I guess if the creator of the topics would do better by making a single topic about the elections only for fun but at politics board not at services board.

If I'm not wrong then the topics were created to get attention only and to find out that who's in support of Trump and who like Kamala. And, to be honest both of them aren't in anyway part of this forum. You did a good job!

Now since the issue is solved as those topics are moved to the suitable board, I believe OP should lock this thread for the good.

[dkbit98]

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.

They have to do something with Bitcoin when candidates are using this topic in their campaigns, with making promises about bitcoin strategic reserves, to collect more donations and get new voters.
I don't really care about political theater that is just a circus distraction, and it's not that hard to realize that both Trump and Kamala are just puppets reading the script.
I have nothing against if someone want's to create political signature campaigns.

[programmer3666]

It seems to me that not a single day passes without a new discussion about Trump, even about his son's statements. I understand that someone is obsessed with politics, and with Trump, among other things, but does it have to be to this extent?
Ok, the elections are in the US, but certainly, this is not primarily a forum only for US people ^{or maybe I'm wrong}, I even think that they are in the minority here.

One user has opened two voluntary signature campaigns, one for Trump and one for Kamala. I would say that this is the lowest point of this forum.
If it is a joke, it is very bad and someone without a sense of humour should not engage in it.

[OPEN] Kamala 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
[OPEN] Trump 2024 (unofficial) Signature Campaign
(Both campaigns should be moved to offtopic or politics & society, they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

These things have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or Bitcoin. The fact that someone said a word or two about it (exclusively for personal benefit) does not mean that everyone should be obsessed with it.

I think people got intrigued by the fact that Trump has recently taken an interest in making casual conversations about Bitcoin in most of his campaign rallies, but what they failed to understand is that the Man is a businessman and he brings the mindset of a salesman into politics, so he might have figured that the best way to get some influential youths behind him is to chip in cryptocurrency conversations now and then because the majority of the youths have taken an interest in the crypto ecosystem. If it has gotten to a point where his name is being discussed as a subject of topic in different sections of this forum! Then it means his tactics are working.

[nutildah]

Let’s don’t go off-topic, this topic is about whether we need so much politics or so less politics in the forum.

If someone is just discussing politics as it pertains to bitcoin/crypto and just trying to present unbiased information, that's fine. That's what we should all strive to do. However, 99% of political discourse isn't about information, its about slandering or mocking the opposing party. Engaging in political debate is a futile exercise all the way around. Mildly entertaining at best, an utter waste the rest of the time.

So I'm all for keeping the political talk in P&S.

America isn't the center of the universe after all. Everyone should care about their own damn governments, not ours, thats just weird.

[dothebeats]

All purely political topics should be moved to Politics & Society, even if the discussion doesn't really concern politics moreso the society at all. At least, it keeps everything organized in a forum sense.

As for the signature campaign, it would be best to leave it there. It's up to the nut jobs to join the campaign if they'd like to. If their comments on certain topics become directed towards personally attacking someone, one can always report them and they'd be dealt directly.

[mindrust]

All purely political topics should be moved to Politics & Society, even if the discussion doesn't really concern politics moreso the society at all. At least, it keeps everything organized in a forum sense.

As for the signature campaign, it would be best to leave it there. It's up to the nut jobs to join the campaign if they'd like to. If their comments on certain topics become directed towards personally attacking someone, one can always report them and they'd be dealt directly.

I don’t think personal attacks require moderation. Can you please post the related forum rule?

We don’t post in a communist forum where people have no freedom of speech as far as I know.

[NotATether]

If their comments on certain topics become directed towards personally attacking someone, one can always report them and they'd be dealt directly.

Attacking who? A political candidate? Or a forum member?

One of these is always going to be done until the end of time, the other is going be more serious and take up an entire page in the Reputation board.

America isn't the center of the universe after all. Everyone should care about their own damn governments, not ours, thats just weird.

People only seem to care about other governments when they are trying to ban bitcoin. (or unban it.)

[LoyceV]

If someone is just discussing politics as it pertains to bitcoin/crypto and just trying to present unbiased information, that's fine. That's what we should all strive to do. However, 99% of political discourse isn't about information, its about slandering or mocking the opposing party.

From my perspective, I think the slandering is much more of an American thing than a European thing. Here, character attacks on politicians are rare, although I think it's happening more often now than it used to. Take our previous prime minister and future NATO leader for example: nobody knows anything about his private life. If you Google him, you'll read "as far as anyone knows, has never been in a relationship". But when it's about the USA, every tiny little personal detail up to cocaine in the Whitehouse reaches the Dutch news.
Drama seems to get more votes than real political ideas.

I don’t think personal attacks require moderation. Can you please post the related forum rule?

The limit is at physical threats:

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

[examplens]

People only seem to care about other governments when they are trying to ban bitcoin. (or unban it.)

It can be interesting news when any government passes any regulation related to crypto. The US should not be singled out. Of course, it is completely irrelevant what a politician says, who currently has no power and no guarantee that he will be elected and implement any of what he says.


Opening this discussion, my primary topics were not the two "disputed" campaign signatures, but politics in general.
Perhaps an even better example is this thread where there are complaints about overly aggressive discussions about the Russia/Ukraine war. I don't know Russian very well, and I'm too lazy to translate, so I won't go into the details of the whole case.
Just another example of how bad and far political discussions can go.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Opening this discussion, my primary topics were not the two "disputed" campaign signatures, but politics in general.

Just read a few responses for the last two pages, I see politics on this topic too LOL
No, we do not need so much politics, there is a board for it.

The type of campaign from OP can bring a lot of fun on the politics sub board. Why were they moved to the off-topic section?

[LoyceV]

The type of campaign from OP can bring a lot of fun on the politics sub board. Why were they moved to the off-topic section?

It was in Services, not Politics:

they certainly have no place in the services section where services are offered with payment in Bitcoin.)

Just report the topics, see if Mods agree. I think it doesn't belong in Services. Not even in Altcoins.

[dothebeats]

All purely political topics should be moved to Politics & Society, even if the discussion doesn't really concern politics moreso the society at all. At least, it keeps everything organized in a forum sense.

As for the signature campaign, it would be best to leave it there. It's up to the nut jobs to join the campaign if they'd like to. If their comments on certain topics become directed towards personally attacking someone, one can always report them and they'd be dealt directly.

I don’t think personal attacks require moderation. Can you please post the related forum rule?

We don’t post in a communist forum where people have no freedom of speech as far as I know.

Hurling insults towards another person instead of discussing the topic at hand is, IMO,  spamming. It may not be a severe violation of the forum rules but, it falls under 3 forum rules:

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

2. No off-topic posts.

3. No trolling.

Idk about you, but if a topic is about X and some posts are about why OP is bad because of attacks completely unrelated to the topic, those comments should be moderated.

Of course, not all posts with a hint ot personal attack should be moderated, but only those who are outright ignoring the topic at hand just to get their insults across.

[Mpamaegbu]

Most of that shit should be contained in the P&S board. Maybe one or two threads in speculation ("how would electing XYZ affect Bitcoin")... but this trollfuckery in other boards, like the signature "campaigns" that don't actually pay and are there just to troll outside of P&S, should not be allowed IMO. But then again, mods here aren't very keen on judging intent when it doesn't suit them.

I strongly go with your disposition on that. I know why the whole campaign thing came up was to draw attention to the US election, possibly because Trump showed support for the industry we're fans of. I don't even want to comment on the poor showing and turnaround the democrats are putting up on it (crypto) just to sound relevant yet.

Anyway, OP must've felt bringing it up on the Service section will get more views and read than elsewhere. No doubt, that's evidently correct. However, IMHO, I think that despite how we want to empathize with any of them, campaigns of such nature such be made in P&S or even in Off Topic going forward as they're now; except where such campaigns are paid campaigns should they've a place in the Service section.

[mirakal]

Let’s don’t go off-topic, this topic is about whether we need so much politics or so less politics in the forum.

There are many other threads where you can discuss Bitcoin’s shortcomings.

Exactly. It's just a yes or no to be precise. But there's no wrong talking about politics, let's just move it to politics and society if necessary. There we can talk about everything about politics, but I doubt if a lot would participate since not all the time politics have hot issues that are good for discussion.  Only US Presidential election gets more controversial.