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Well, well... !! We all fall there, it happens to me, so I'm the first to put myself on the wall of the guilty, but at least I'm sure I try, in the sense of keeping the thread 'safe', that is, leaving it alive until it corresponds and then putting the lock on it, this is not a written rule but it is a rule of etiquette. Anyway, the point here is that I'm going to express through this way a few random threads, where OP, having a good approach, inexplicably lets the subject go, and although I can already imagine responses from the experts in the trade, welcome everyone, but I think that the spaces for those of us who generate organic posts are running out. Title:( e.g.) The real winning of gambling is withdrawalshttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5499707.0The OP forgot about his good context, a good thread to interact and bring it to port for a conclusion, but... this is just data: Thread date:June 12, 2024, 01:01:07 PM Total Reply: 808 (August 24, 2024) A monthly average of 101 response replies This is the Top 10 poster in that thread:(june 12-Aug. 24) 1. Fredomago [37] 2. Dewi Aries [31] 3. ethereumhunter [26] 4. l3pox [26] 5. LUCKMCFLY [25] 6. junder [25] 7. Accardo [24] 8. hyudien [19] 9. nara1892 [17] 10. nullama [16] And... the OP? Zero. Of course it appears with 1, but it is the OP's 'OP`'  Then, really as a regular of a board I should take care of my threads, or better said, conclude my concerns... Yes!(?)-No!(?)
Source and "disclaimers*" (*)Reference to any OP, not specifically the one mentioned here (Topic). Important, I don't know OP, in fact it's the first time I read some him. Top 10 mentioned, pointing them out does not imply anything beyond that you are in that data of that particular thread. On the other hand, the information is public domain and is located at https://ninjastic.space/The duration of this topic is 5 pages or until December 31, 2024, just in case, in GMT+4 time |
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Note; new: sept. 9, 2024
I am working on some data that I would like to contribute to continue the topic. Thanks to all who have given their opinions.
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It's gambling board being gambling board  But it also depends on the kind of thread. Not all members' replies require OP's replies, however, it does not mean that the OP might have not read the replies. For example, I have opened a few threads where I did not reply afterwards but have read all the responses where I have got satisfactory answers An example is this: 1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54440672. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489843And then there are also threads that need continuous new input from other members. That's why some chaps don't lock them maybe. |
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August 24, 2024, 10:15:10 PM |
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Most times when an op conclude a thread it's considered that he would locked the thread instead he keeps open for discussion. For about those who has such reply in some specific thread this could be as a result of regularly quoting them in discussion and they would want to respond back whereby generating more post in that particular thread. Most people are fond of doing that especially when newbies creates topic they are active to keep flowing with the response people are making over there, some people on a norm like just reading the topic to see various inputs by people. But I support what you said and your observations because leaving a thread without taking care off is assume no good response or no solution has been proffered to op that is why some thread are just left to be opened.
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I used to feel like people made topics in that board just to satisfy conditions for a signature campaign, but if that were the case users would be replying like crazy to bump their post counts. That's obviously not the case here.
Etiquette is different for each culture IMO. Some things that are normal for you may not be normal for someone on the other side of the world.
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1. You can always report the thread or post that you feel need to be locked, so have you report it? if you haven't, then do it.
2. The thread isn't self moderated, so the @OP can't do anything if there are users who're going off-topic, spamming etc.
3. There are no punishment for users who abandon their thread, you can't expect they will change their attitude after you opened this thread.
Didn't mean to disagree with your point, but I don't see it will bring any impact.
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That's right, keep attacking the Gambling Board to see if the main source of income that signature campaigners currently have gets screwed up. As if the mixer ban wasn't enough. 1. You can always report the thread or post that you feel need to be locked, so have you report it? if you haven't, then do it.
I agree with that. 41 pages of that generic thread seems enough to me to be locked already. But if we get strict about “quality” in that section, or looking at whether the OP doesn't respond or if others respond a lot in threads like that, we could wipe out 80% of threads at the very least. Then don't complain if you don't have campaigns to join. |
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Well, well... !! We all fall there, it happens to me, so I'm the first to put myself on the wall of the guilty, but at least I'm sure I try, in the sense of keeping the thread 'safe', that is, leaving it alive until it corresponds and then putting the lock on it, this is not a written rule but it is a rule of etiquette. Anyway, the point here is that I'm going to express through this way a few random threads, where OP, having a good approach, inexplicably lets the subject go, and although I can already imagine responses from the experts in the trade, welcome everyone, but I think that the spaces for those of us who generate organic posts are running out. Title:( e.g.) The real winning of gambling is withdrawalshttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5499707.0The OP forgot about his good context, a good thread to interact and bring it to port for a conclusion, but... this is just data: Thread date:June 12, 2024, 01:01:07 PM Total Reply: 808 (August 24, 2024) A monthly average of 101 response replies This is the Top 10 poster in that thread:(june 12-Aug. 24) 1. Fredomago [37] 2. Dewi Aries [31] 3. ethereumhunter [26] 4. l3pox [26] 5. LUCKMCFLY [25] 6. junder [25] 7. Accardo [24] 8. hyudien [19] 9. nara1892 [17] 10. nullama [16] And... the OP? Zero. Of course it appears with 1, but it is the OP's 'OP`' Then, really as a regular of a board I should take care of my threads, or better said, conclude my concerns... Yes!(?)-No!(?)
Source and "disclaimers*" (*)Reference to any OP, not specifically the one mentioned here (Topic). Important, I don't know OP, in fact it's the first time I read some him. Top 10 mentioned, pointing them out does not imply anything beyond that you are in that data of that particular thread. On the other hand, the information is public domain and is located at https://ninjastic.space/The duration of this topic is 5 pages or until December 31, 2024, just in case, in GMT+4 time I think you make a great case that highlights the problem with the gambling board, and I fully support for you to continue collecting similar data to build a better case. Though be warned, this forum is lacking governance. Here's some data: 1. The poll in this thread got 68 yes votes and 6 no votes - No comment has been made by administration. 2. A community vote for the same board received 26 written yes votes and 1 no vote - No comment has been made by administration. The point of this data is to show you that even strong cases that the wider community agree with, sometimes go left unheard. However, don't let that deter you from continuing on. I'm just saying, don't expect change. I'd like to see the thread be stronger to prove this broader problem - add more data and format it nicely if you are planning to continue to add supporting information. I'll keep an eye on this thread, send you some merit once I have some and continually do so as you continue to make the thread stronger. That's right, keep attacking the Gambling Board to see if the main source of income that signature campaigners currently have gets screwed up. As if the mixer ban wasn't enough. 1. You can always report the thread or post that you feel need to be locked, so have you report it? if you haven't, then do it.
I agree with that. 41 pages of that generic thread seems enough to me to be locked already. But if we get strict about “quality” in that section, or looking at whether the OP doesn't respond or if others respond a lot in threads like that, we could wipe out 80% of threads at the very least. Then don't complain if you don't have campaigns to join. Am I right to interpret this message as you saying that you and others wouldn't be posting in the gambling board if you were not receiving an income from it? It's gambling board being gambling board . That's not a very innovative mentality to have, if you were not already aware. |
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I used to feel like people made topics in that board just to satisfy conditions for a signature campaign, but if that were the case users would be replying like crazy to bump their post counts.
I actually thought of this but if i may understand correctly gambling section is the most active sections and people do not just posting to increase their post count but posting since they always engaged themselves with gambling activities. To reduce that then some managers needs to reduce their requirement for the week/post. |
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The forum is run by Theymos, so unless he runs a poll himself and decides to implement something based on the outcome of the poll, then anything outside of that is just a suggestion to Theymos, which he may or may not implement. It isn't only in the gambling section that op's leave their thread to run for a very long time without locking it, there is no rule that compels an op to lock their thread after a certain time. If you think that a thread has run its full course, then report it to the moderators and allow them decide on it. |
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The forum is run by Theymos, so unless he runs a poll himself and decides to implement something based on the outcome of the poll, then anything outside of that is just a suggestion to Theymos, which he may or may not implement. I'm aware. This is what I mean by lack of governance. |
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It's gambling board being gambling board But it also depends on the kind of thread. Not all members' replies require OP's replies, however, it does not mean that the OP might have not read the replies. For example, I have opened a few threads where I did not reply afterwards but have read all the responses where I have got satisfactory answers An example is this: 1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54440672. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489843And then there are also threads that need continuous new input from other members. That's why some chaps don't lock them maybe. Perhaps @famososMuertos seems to have forgotten the context of the post which was to seek opinion of others about how they manage their gambling wins. Like you said, not all comments require replies but that does not mean those beautiful opinions are not being taken note of. Come to think of it, there is a way replies can be given to the various comments that it will appear like outright spamming which the forum frowns at. Maybe the crime might just be the me not showing ownership of the thread even though that may or may not be necessary. I will like @famososMuertos throw more light on the intentions of this thread so I can learn and do better. |
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Whatchu talking about dude?? Since when did y'all develop a standard that guides the posting habits of a signature campaigner -- an OP that gets paid from another firm who doesn't even complain about these excesses? Do you just go around disqualifying people's post, scrutinizing through to know who's doing what? The least thing you'd wanna do is encumber people with your solo-ideas, with this there-must-be-an-ettiquette type of attitude when posting... I make threads with intensions; I don't know about anyone else but personally, it's about an experience I've got for a long, long, long time ago! I'd be making 70 post weekly if I operated just like you described. How?? I'd just go about engaging in the thread and I'll get a substantial post count. I always reserve the right to respond to any topics - especially if I wasn't ASKING QUESTIONS THAT NEEDED ANSWERS... if all I needed was what the other participants thought about whatever issue that was. That's right, keep attacking the Gambling Board to see if the main source of income that signature campaigners currently have gets screwed up.
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I'm aware. This is what I mean by lack of governance.
What i also mean is that just because those suggestions were not implemented does not mean that the forum is not run well, or to put it as you do, that there is a 'lack of governance'. Theymos wants the forum to be as free as possible and so he does not change or implement things too fast. If you think the gambling section is in a bad state, ignore it then. There are a lot of sections where people post spam, or do not lock topics, it does not happen only in the gambling section. |
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I used to feel like people made topics in that board just to satisfy conditions for a signature campaign, but if that were the case users would be replying like crazy to bump their post counts.
I actually thought of this but if i may understand correctly gambling section is the most active sections and people do not just posting to increase their post count but posting since they always engaged themselves with gambling activities. To reduce that then some managers needs to reduce their requirement for the week/post. I think it would be better if managers vetted candidates better. Just looking at a profile and seeing that a user posts in the gambling section here and there is not good enough. Checking if the user is on topic and has a clue, not just posting to post would help. It's not just a matter of reducing the amount of posts in the gambling section that's going to fix things in that section. Go look at who and how many are creating bullshit topics in that section with the sole purpose of creating posts in the long run. Lots of generic shit being asked and with each generic topic 50 replies or more are produced and 5+ in each topic come from the creator of the topic. If it's accepted behavior, it will continue. If spam/shit topics aren't counted maybe it stops. Doubtful, but maybe. |
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August 25, 2024, 10:53:57 PM |
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That's not a very innovative mentality to have, if you were not already aware.
Looks like you didn't even understand what I meant. Alright, here it is; " In some threads in the gambling board, there are a lot of clueless spammers who have no knowledge about sports and gambling and all they do is just keep replying in those threads in order to fulfill the weekly gambling post minimums set by some signature campaigns" |
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August 26, 2024, 01:13:11 AM
Last edit: August 26, 2024, 01:27:35 AM by BenCodie |
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I'm aware. This is what I mean by lack of governance.
What i also mean is that just because those suggestions were not implemented does not mean that the forum is not run well, or to put it as you do, that there is a 'lack of governance'. Theymos wants the forum to be as free as possible and so he does not change or implement things too fast. If you think the gambling section is in a bad state, ignore it then. There are a lot of sections where people post spam, or do not lock topics, it does not happen only in the gambling section. There is lack of governance - or rather, poor governance. Good governance is efficient and distributed. Bitcointalk governance is not efficient, it is not distributed and is bottle-necked with a central decision maker. The forum can still be as a free as possible while having efficient and distributed governance. In fact, Bitcointalk has the biggest advantage to making the transition to decentralized governance because of its massive amount of members. Anyway, I do usually ignore the gambling board unless I've browsed most other places and I have an input to share there. I'm not as passionate about the problems with bitcointalk as I once was, I'm just here to support OP on the issue and shed some 2 cents. That's not a very innovative mentality to have, if you were not already aware.
Looks like you didn't even understand what I meant. Alright, here it is; " In some threads in the gambling board, there are a lot of clueless spammers who have no knowledge about sports and gambling and all they do is just keep replying in those threads in order to fulfill the weekly gambling post minimums set by some signature campaigns" I did understand what you meant and I'm glad that you elaborated to confirm that. What I meant with my comment is that we (you I and others) see this problem and yet most have the mentality that "it's just gambling board being gambling board", which isn't a mentality that will innovate solve the problem. I'm not attacking you here btw What you said is a good reflection of one of the unhealthy shared mentalities being fed by people like this: That's right, keep attacking the Gambling Board to see if the main source of income that signature campaigners currently have gets screwed up.
As if the mixer ban wasn't enough.
These kinds of people don't want to solve the problem. They want to dismiss the problem to ensure that signature campaign earners continue to get paid, no matter how many negative the effect is on the forum. To everyone, what do we all think this community would look like if the gambling board never existed? Or if it was nuked? Maybe @LoyceV or the-like ought to show us what member metrics like merit, activity and posts would look like if everything in the gambling board was excluded from the counts. I'd love to see the results... |
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