How do gambling sites detect or know your using a vpn?

[m2017]

I don't know if there are any special tools they use, but to me, it's very easy to know who is using VPN in some cases. If you notice a particular user who, each time they login to their account, appears in a new location with a different IP address from their last login, is that not an obvious sign of VPN usage? 

What if this user just travels a lot and gambles in between?

Since the gamblers detected (by casino) were using VPN, VPN providers should have long ago offered a static IP address service from the same location (or did they already?).

And they can also confirm their suspicions by asking the user to provide KYC verification documents, which clearly show their country of residence, which will be different from the IP address the VPN will give to the gambling site.

Firstly, I hate KYC, especially if it is required by the casino. Secondly, why can't the IP address be different from the country of residence? A lot of people travel to other countries, and also live in other countries for years. In this case, the IP address will most likely be different from the country indicated in your KYC documents.

[rkmf]

There are providers like ipinfo.io that allow companies to get information about an IP address. They receive an object that they can implement with `if` statements to check if any of these attributes are in use:

{"vpn":false,"proxy":false,"tor":false,"relay":false,"hosting":false,"service":""}

[Z_MBFM]

What tools do gambling or classifieds sites use to detect or know your using a vpn?
Thanks in advance.

Gambling sites won't be able to directly detect if you're using a VPN, but when they see that you're logging into your account from different locations at different times, they can guess that you're probably using a VPN. Because without a VPN, an account can never be logged in from different locations at different times. But if you don't gamble with large amounts of money and it doesn't come under the kyc verification requirement, chances of your account having problems are very low. Because all the sites I used were VPN Friendly.  Because I accessed those sites using vpn.  This is because gambling sites are banned in my country which is why I have to use a VPN

[anonbet.net]

Hello, OP,

There are many public IP blacklists - one example being spamhaus.org. Learn more. In addition, Tor nodes are all public. Try opening https://proxy6.net/en/privacy through Tor or VPN and you could easily check if your IP is blacklisted.

As an outsider, one could see how Big Tech could easily build such lists. They have trackers on almost all websites. They know whenever you log into a website they have trackers on (them being Alphabet, Meta, Microsoft, etc). Let alone, most of the times people choose to authenticate via email (Gmail most commonly) or Facebook. They know all of this and they have a history of each account's logins. Multiple logins of different accounts through the same IP, most of which accounts have logged through numerous other IPs all around the globe, is enough of a red flag to target a certain IP.

Last but not least, you could always give us a shot at AnonBet.net. We are a VPN-/TOR-friendly No-KYC gambling platform with zero tracking 

[adaseb]

Most of the VPNs out there, especially the large main ones are largely known. Some sites like Netflix might have no an issue with them but other sites like KYC required exchanges which have juristriction restrictions will not allow it. There are also many sites which are VPN friendly because they promote anonymity but in general many sites are against it because it goes against their term of conditions.

These days with exchanges being sued for money laundering issues, many dont want to face this risk. Hence if you use a VPN, they will not allow it. Only true way might be to go to a different country, get an ISP somewhere and just use it as a proxy in another country, this way its not really a VPN since its your actual ISP but you are in a different country. Either way, its getting harder and harder these days. And if you are forced to use a VPN you might as well just avoid the site to begin with.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Firstly, I hate KYC, especially if it is required by the casino. Secondly, why can't the IP address be different from the country of residence? A lot of people travel to other countries, and also live in other countries for years. In this case, the IP address will most likely be different from the country indicated in your KYC documents.

I start from something, from a basic principle, if the person uses a VPN, but gives his KYC he can play and should play normally in the casino, I do not see that it is an unforgivable infraction to use it, the fact of destroying privacy and that the casino allows us to be traceable is something that no one should allow, well in my case I am not a whale player, but if I were a whale player and the casino does not allow me to use VPN, then easy, I go to another casino that does accept it, as long as there are too many casinos in the industry, and if they do not accept me in any, then I would risk a little with decentralized casinos to see how it would go.

[erep]

Gambling sites won't be able to directly detect if you're using a VPN, but when they see that you're logging into your account from different locations at different times, they can guess that you're probably using a VPN. Because without a VPN, an account can never be logged in from different locations at different times. But if you don't gamble with large amounts of money and it doesn't come under the kyc verification requirement, chances of your account having problems are very low. Because all the sites I used were VPN Friendly.  Because I accessed those sites using vpn.  This is because gambling sites are banned in my country which is why I have to use a VPN

If you use a VPN-friendly casino then there is no problem, but do not use a free VPN because there is no guarantee that your account will be safe if you always log in with a different IP, we do not recommend using a VPN to access the casino even if you are from a country that is prohibited from accessing gambling. However, you need to know that casino rules are not fixed which allows some rules to change at any time, we advise you not to store your balance at the casino because if the casino changes the rules prohibiting VPN users then you can access your account to withdraw balance from the casino account.

[Odusko]

Firstly, I hate KYC, especially if it is required by the casino. Secondly, why can't the IP address be different from the country of residence? A lot of people travel to other countries, and also live in other countries for years. In this case, the IP address will most likely be different from the country indicated in your KYC documents.

I start from something, from a basic principle, if the person uses a VPN, but gives his KYC he can play and should play normally in the casino, I do not see that it is an unforgivable infraction to use it, the fact of destroying privacy and that the casino allows us to be traceable is something that no one should allow, well in my case I am not a whale player, but if I were a whale player and the casino does not allow me to use VPN, then easy, I go to another casino that does accept it, as long as there are too many casinos in the industry, and if they do not accept me in any, then I would risk a little with decentralized casinos to see how it would go.

KYC with VPN how is that a possibility, because from you ip your documents won't be acceptable from that very point and if you want to use VPN why then should you think of doing KYC, so the case is vis visal we shouldn't be so much concerned about KYC and VPN and if you want to use VPN, the only justifeble reason for using a VPN is because you move from your original location to another location where the gambling site that you already have account on is prohibited and need to use VPN to bypass that restrictions, this way you have every reason to temporarily use VPN.

But in the event that you created a new cryptocurrency casino account using VPN, that will really results into problems for the gambler at the end of the day when the casino will demand for KYC from such a player, many times those that use VPN don't know all of this, but the casino already have their well planned strategy to combat such an attempt, major reasons why casino prohibits VPN usage is to avoid multiple accounts that aim at claiming bonuses or trying to abuse the casino since they may be previously ban players on the casinos.

Some casinos doesn't mind the use of VPN on the site, and such casinos have tons of alt accounts and bonuse abuse and the bad aspects of using such a casino is that their can get bankrupt at anytime since their are open to exploitations from abusers so it is better to gamble on a casino with VPN restriction that gambling on those free to air cryptocurrency casino that doesn't restrict VPN usage.

[paxmao]

If you are using a decent VPN the answer is ... they won't. They have to deal with changing IPs and a number of counter measures, however if you are using a basic service, it may happen that they are able to pick-up the list of VPN suspicious IPs and work from there. As far as I know there is not a public global identification service, so, if one does not work, try another.

[KingsDen]

What tools do gambling or classifieds sites use to detect or know your using a vpn?
Thanks in advance.

Gambling sites won't be able to directly detect if you're using a VPN, but when they see that you're logging into your account from different locations at different times, they can guess that you're probably using a VPN. Because without a VPN, an account can never be logged in from different locations at different times. But if you don't gamble with large amounts of money and it doesn't come under the kyc verification requirement, chances of your account having problems are very low. Because all the sites I used were VPN Friendly.  Because I accessed those sites using vpn.  This is because gambling sites are banned in my country which is why I have to use a VPN

How about if I maintain a particular location while using the casino. Well, you are very much in line. Just like the CEX, they keep activity logs of gamblers and as well as gambling behaviours. So, dictating that you use VPN will be a combination of many findings.
However, they know whoever that is using VPN for privacy purpose and whoever that is using VPN for to cheat the system.

[khaled0111]

KYC with VPN how is that a possibility, because from you ip your documents won't be acceptable from that very point and if you want to use VPN why then should you think of doing KYC, so the case is vis visal we shouldn't be so much concerned about KYC and VPN and if you want to use VPN

Actually, what LUCKMCFLY said makes perfect sense.
What he said is that if you successfully pass kyc then the casino knows who you are and where you are from. In this case, the excuses casinos use to prohibit the use of VPNs (bypass georestriction, multiaccounting) are no longer valid. Therefore, there is no valid reason to prevent a KYCed user from using a VPN becausehe is clearly not using it to cheat or anything like that.

[Kavelj22]

KYC with VPN how is that a possibility, because from you ip your documents won't be acceptable from that very point and if you want to use VPN why then should you think of doing KYC, so the case is vis visal we shouldn't be so much concerned about KYC and VPN and if you want to use VPN

Actually, what LUCKMCFLY said makes perfect sense.
What he said is that if you successfully pass kyc then the casino knows who you are and where you are from. In this case, the excuses casinos use to prohibit the use of VPNs (bypass georestriction, multiaccounting) are no longer valid. Therefore, there is no valid reason to prevent a KYCed user from using a VPN becausehe is clearly not using it to cheat or anything like that.

Casinos prohibit the use of VPNs due to concerns about their security and the integrity of their games. Even after completing the KYC verification process, a VPN can be used to change a user’s location, which could allow them to participate in games that are prohibited in their region, or even change their personal information to manipulate the system. This poses a risk to the integrity of the casino, as it could lead to cheating or circumventing age or geographic restrictions, and it could also risk breaking gambling laws in the specific region.

Casinos have strict policies against the use of VPNs, to ensure fair play, protect the casino’s reputation, and protect the integrity of its operations. And in many cases it is used as an excuse to scam users so that they are not charged for using a VPN until they make deposits and then win significant amounts that they want to withdraw.

It’s not just casinos that insist on banning VPNs for the reasons I’ve explained, including exchanges and other service platforms that require identity verification. It’s a common practice.

[khaled0111]

Even after completing the KYC verification process, a VPN can be used to change a user’s location, which could allow them to participate in games that are prohibited in their region, or even change their personal information to manipulate the system. This poses a risk to the integrity of the casino, as it could lead to cheating or circumventing age or geographic restrictions, and it could also risk breaking gambling laws in the specific region.

I'm a bit confused here! I mean, as I said above, if the user vetifies his identity then the casino will know where he is from, his age.. So, if, for example, the user connects via vpn to pretend being from a different location to claim a bonus he is not eligible for, the casino will know it and take the necessary actions.
Besides, a verified user is unlikely to attempt to cheat the casino.

[EarnOnVictor]

Casinos may not have a direct tool to detect when a customer is using a VPN since it will come like a regular IP and traffic to their website/platform but I can think of two ways they may detect or suspect the IP as a VPN

You may be wrong to think that casinos doesn't know you are using a VPN from the very start of your interaction with the site, sometimes, it may take time before their take actions against you for using a VPN to access they casino most especially when you are from an original ban location but you use VPN to get through to their casino.

Let me assume I was mistaken, I never said casinos can't detect straightaway that a gambler is using a VPN, did I? What I said was that they will not know directly with some specially designed tools but through filtering of the customers' IPs with the known VPN IPs, if they tally, then a suspect is caught. However, if the customer is using some rare VPN package, no sophisticated tool or approach of the casino will detect it.

Sometimes the do that, just to monitor the activity of the the player and also to take action in the most acceptable way and means so that their won't be called out for using the tool to block account that are suspected VPN user.

Yes, they may know early and do nothing about it until the gambler wins big or deposits big. This is common, but I wonder why they didn't act immediately they know if they are sincere.

[TribalBob]

What tools do gambling or classifieds sites use to detect or know your using a vpn?
Thanks in advance.

Gambling sites won't be able to directly detect if you're using a VPN, but when they see that you're logging into your account from different locations at different times, they can guess that you're probably using a VPN. Because without a VPN, an account can never be logged in from different locations at different times. But if you don't gamble with large amounts of money and it doesn't come under the kyc verification requirement, chances of your account having problems are very low. Because all the sites I used were VPN Friendly.  Because I accessed those sites using vpn.  This is because gambling sites are banned in my country which is why I have to use a VPN

Countries that do not support gambling will definitely block gambling sites, because they do not want their people to become addicted to gambling, can you provide information on which gambling sites can use VPN?

[erep]

Let me assume I was mistaken, I never said casinos can't detect straightaway that a gambler is using a VPN, did I? What I said was that they will not know directly with some specially designed tools but through filtering of the customers' IPs with the known VPN IPs, if they tally, then a suspect is caught. However, if the customer is using some rare VPN package, no sophisticated tool or approach of the casino will detect it.

Maybe if they are premium vpn tools with IP for single users and the casino can't directly detect violations using VPN, usually these tools are not sold publicly but they sell tools for special group users and developers are actively updating the tool to improve features to avoid tracking/filtering the original user IP from the casino site or other sites. However, using VPN tools is not a guarantee to hide the original IP because the casino will improve the security system to filter the customer's IP and changes in the rules that may require users to complete KYC verification.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Let me assume I was mistaken, I never said casinos can't detect straightaway that a gambler is using a VPN, did I? What I said was that they will not know directly with some specially designed tools but through filtering of the customers' IPs with the known VPN IPs, if they tally, then a suspect is caught. However, if the customer is using some rare VPN package, no sophisticated tool or approach of the casino will detect it.

Maybe if they are premium vpn tools with IP for single users and the casino can't directly detect violations using VPN, usually these tools are not sold publicly but they sell tools for special group users and developers are actively updating the tool to improve features to avoid tracking/filtering the original user IP from the casino site or other sites. However, using VPN tools is not a guarantee to hide the original IP because the casino will improve the security system to filter the customer's IP and changes in the rules that may require users to complete KYC verification.

I personally have always advised gamblers to stay away from using VPN to access their casino account just so as they be on the safe side always, since sometimes or most of the time, without reading the casino's terms and conditions, one can't really know If the casino is vpn friendly or not.
But in a case or condition where the gambler must make use of a VPN due to any reason, it is absolutely much better to use a premium vpn where ip address are assigned individually to premium users.
Most free vpn comes with shared ip address where if the casino is one that is vpn friendly, the gambler still stand a risk of being accused of multi accounting if there be any other player using the same ip address from the same vpn provider to access the same casino.

[AmoreJaz]

Let me assume I was mistaken, I never said casinos can't detect straightaway that a gambler is using a VPN, did I? What I said was that they will not know directly with some specially designed tools but through filtering of the customers' IPs with the known VPN IPs, if they tally, then a suspect is caught. However, if the customer is using some rare VPN package, no sophisticated tool or approach of the casino will detect it.

Maybe if they are premium vpn tools with IP for single users and the casino can't directly detect violations using VPN, usually these tools are not sold publicly but they sell tools for special group users and developers are actively updating the tool to improve features to avoid tracking/filtering the original user IP from the casino site or other sites. However, using VPN tools is not a guarantee to hide the original IP because the casino will improve the security system to filter the customer's IP and changes in the rules that may require users to complete KYC verification.

To avoid trouble with the site, much better to check if they are allowing VPN so you don't need to worry every time you access the site. Because some casinos are permitting users to use VPN. However, there are casinos that are strict when it comes to using this kind of service as they are complying with certain protocols for their license. Hence, they are restricting the gamblers who are accessing their site because there are some countries that they prohibit to use their site.
So even if they have listed all the prohibited countries per game or per provider, they don't know if the user is accessing their site via premium VPN service. If you are a high roller, better look out for this restriction as it can get you trouble as they can easily detect such use especially if they start asking your credentials.

[Akbarkoe]

Maybe if they are premium vpn tools with IP for single users and the casino can't directly detect violations using VPN, usually these tools are not sold publicly but they sell tools for special group users and developers are actively updating the tool to improve features to avoid tracking/filtering the original user IP from the casino site or other sites. However, using VPN tools is not a guarantee to hide the original IP because the casino will improve the security system to filter the customer's IP and changes in the rules that may require users to complete KYC verification.

But if KYC has been done it probably won't be a problem when using a premium VPN to get an IP that is not detected as having a problem, and the casino won't be able to find irregularities in the rare IPs.

Although we don't know if the provider is giving us an IP that has been used or not and is problematic or not.

But what is concerning is when we use a VPN on a prohibited casino and we haven't done our KYC.

[Mr.right85]

What tools do gambling or classifieds sites use to detect or know your using a vpn?
Thanks in advance.

We leave in a digital age where logs are kept on every individual as you login on a service. There isn’t anything strange about that. A lot of users might not be victims yet because they’ve not come under interest but, it’s easy to have you discovered to have been using VPN in accessing the services of a gambling site in restricted areas.

VPN simply alternates IPs. With logs that is kept on accounts, having several of these IPs pinned at different distances locations within a define period shouts VPN and you get subjected to the T&C as it applies.