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August 27, 2024, 10:35:30 AM
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That is a very important for newbies. I can also recount how many times some of my friends had been in doubt with me when I told them some gambling sites does not support more than one account per individual player.

Ignorant to the highest order. Like some of my friends would blindly argue that gambling sites are just there to make money and if possible, they would wish players would keep loosing so that they could make more money.
Further deceive themselves that as much as the gambling sites needs more customers, they would not restrict players from owning more than one account strictly on the basic that they need more players.

It would be unfortunate for them owning more than one account and the point of their huge amount of winning would be when the gambling site would remind them of these terms but for now, the site need them to stake and loose more while awaits them to hit a big winning before the terms are being reminded.











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August 27, 2024, 11:01:42 AM
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there are many reasons for casino and gambling sites to avoid multi accounts. and it's somewhat basic for any gambler something that everyone knows. If don't they are just lying since this is the basis for many gamling activities.
Probably (as I have seen in a couple of times) all these "scam accusations" are created ad hoc by scammer that just try to push the boundaries limit with casinos only to earn as much as possible with their scam.

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August 27, 2024, 11:07:40 AM
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Ignorant to the highest order. Like some of my friends would blindly argue that gambling sites are just there to make money and if possible, they would wish players would keep loosing so that they could make more money.
Further deceive themselves that as much as the gambling sites needs more customers, they would not restrict players from owning more than one account strictly on the basic that they need more players.

-snip-

If they want to fool themselves that way, let it be Cheesy

If you use a service where money is involved and you don't read the TOS and do whatever you want (like using VPN, having multiple accounts, not be willing to perform KYC, etc.) you are adding risk to the operation. Chances are that you make small wins and never have any problems to withdraw, but take for sure that if you win big at anytime you will have trouble.

Much better to prevent it from the start. And of course, don't fool yourself like your friends do...

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August 27, 2024, 11:21:05 AM
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I do not see any good reason for them blocking multiple accounts in casino gambling by the casino platform because it has no negative effect to the platform. As long as those accounts do not go against the rules of the casino platform. They need more users and that is also part of getting new users into the system. The reason for banning multiple account in the Casino platform should be that they either violate the platform rules or cheat other users int he platform.

But come to think of it, why will a user create multiples account in a single casino in the first place? With one account, you can create open bets as many as you can. By creating multiple accounts, you are already violating the platform rules if they are among the ones that frowned against such. They actually need more users but for one person to have multiple accounts is as good as one user. It increases absolutely nothing in my opinion. The negative effect of this is that it won't allow the platform to know the exact number of users they have using their platform. The funny thing about this is that majority of us abandoned other accounts and make use of one after creating a new one thereby giving the platform fake number of total users.











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August 27, 2024, 11:21:38 AM
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Yeah, this had been the problem ever since the online gambling sites starts getting popular.

Why do gamblers make 3 accounts or more?
They want to take advantage of the bonuses being given by the gambling site. Not just that, they are also abusing the promotions like daily drops which only need a bit of wager to be able to claim it.
I have heard Stake.com management in kick that they are trying to solve this problem especially the bots that are abusing the system and I really wish they could solve this case so that many real players could claim those bonuses.

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August 27, 2024, 11:35:57 AM
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Do you noticed that there are many complaints recently about gambling sites blocking the accounts of some users. The user may have more than one account but maybe they do not read the terms of service before gambling. This is the ones that we heard of. There would be more than we did not know.

The first three gambling sites that I used which were local gambling sites, I did not read the terms of service. I use the same ISP to open 3 accounts for the first gambling site. I saw no problem because I lost money than win which makes me to to have a single withdrawal. Supposing that I won huge amount of money, they could have used multi accounting as an excuse not to let me withdraw the money.

It would be good for newbies and many people on this forum that are not even newbies to read the terms of service of the gambling site that they are using. Having more than one account is against the ToS of all or most of the gambling sites.

I saw some complains about account blocking but they were mostly due to accusation in the "dirty" bitcoins users transfer to their gambling sites (though, I can not imagine how they decide on whether bitcoin is dirty on not).

I never thought that users could  make  a few accounts for themselves on one gambling site. What is the sense to do such thing?

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August 27, 2024, 12:00:04 PM
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Yes, I noticed about that but as we know that many people still creating another account in one casino. We don't know what is their reason doing that even though they know that is something that will prohibit the casino's rule. They seems doesn't care about that but if something wrong happens to all of their account, they will complaint to casino and doesn't check on what they did before. Casino have their rules so we must obey that if we don't wants to get a problem with our account so we don't have to creates more account in one casino. People should know about the casino rules and not trying to breaks that if they still want to playing gambling on that casino. Casino can know if their members have more than 1 account in their site so they will do something with all of our account.

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August 27, 2024, 12:28:08 PM
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This thing with multiple accounts can be easily fixed, If you want to avoid the headaches, it's simple:
- KYC before deposits.
Then you stop people abusing first-time deposits bonus, you stop multi accounts, you even cut down your own staff working hours with it.
But as with everything, it comes with a backslash, mandatory KYC upfront is a loss of new players.

No VPN.
No multiple accounts.
Willing to submit KYC.

I never understood the rule about no VPN as long as you're fully KYCed.
The casino already knows your identity, what does it matter how you access the website when you're already verified?
It opens the door for a lot of misunderstandings, what if you travel, what are you going to do, stop gambling because the casino might think you are using a VPN? 
In my opinion, once they have your ID, your face next to it, and proof of address it shouldn't matter from what IP you access the website as long as it's from a country that is not restricted.

But come to think of it, why will a user create multiples account in a single casino in the first place?

First deposit bonuses.
Oversimplified explanation, you bet on one account all in on one team with the second on the other, even if you risk a total of $200 in two bets at 1.9 each and you get back $180 because of the extra bonuses you make extra money on it.
And since there is no limit to how many times you can try this scheme, well you have figured it out by now why they do it.

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It would be good for newbies and many people on this forum that are not even newbies to read the terms of service of the gambling site that they are using. Having more than one account is against the ToS of all or most of the gambling sites.
It cannot be denied that the rules of gambling, if I'm not mistaken, on average maybe 90% of them know, whether they are beginners or old players, generally they know the terms and conditions of having more than one account is not allowed, but that's what we always ignore. that thing andviolations continue to occur.

Instead of being hypocritical, I often see them, let's just say (those) who gamble on certain sites register with three or five accounts with different names, different emails, stupidly they use the same device, but what's worse is that the casino allows that, if they lose the game it doesn't matter to the casino and if they win that's where it becomes a real problem for the casino and users, believe it or not what I'm saying is a fact.

So my advice is to play gambling on different sites, at least five gambling sites with five accounts, I think it's better than one site with five accounts.

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August 27, 2024, 01:21:36 PM
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Yes, I noticed about that but as we know that many people still creating another account in one casino. We don't know what is their reason doing that even though they know that is something that will prohibit the casino's rule. They seems doesn't care about that but if something wrong happens to all of their account, they will complaint to casino and doesn't check on what they did before. Casino have their rules so we must obey that if we don't wants to get a problem with our account so we don't have to creates more account in one casino. People should know about the casino rules and not trying to breaks that if they still want to playing gambling on that casino. Casino can know if their members have more than 1 account in their site so they will do something with all of our account.
They would really be trying out to make those realizations on the moment that they would really be facing up some issues. On the time or moment that you do find yourself on such bad condition
specially locked up funds or withdrawals. This is why it would really be that recommended that you should really be that reading up sites terms and conditions. Usually it would really be just that fine
as long you arent that doing something stupid into your account then it would really be something that will really be that just fine. They wont really be that strict on the time or moment that you do find
yourself cheating because this is where they would really be that reactive when it comes to this manner. So it would really be that something that will really be in concern.

People would really be usually making dual accounts into such purpose on which is to cheat up bonuses and other competitions or something like this. There's no point
on doing multi accounts without any purpose.

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I learned about the rules of one person per device, one address, and one IP long before I even tried to play in a casino. For me, this is completely logical; the Internet remembers everything. One account per person is fair, but it is also fair that one account per IP. How did I learn about these rules? In the Russian segment, a supposed strategy for cheating and bypassing casinos was published long ago, where new participants received bonuses and the more multi-accounts there were, the more successful the players were. People created anti-detect browsers to bypass the protection of poker casinos, and the more inventive the cheaters were, the stronger the casino's protection became. Hence, knowing about all the tricks of the casino, I will never create a double account so that I do not have to prove later that I am me.

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Do you noticed that there are many complaints recently about gambling sites blocking the accounts of some users. The user may have more than one account but maybe they do not read the terms of service before gambling. This is the ones that we heard of. There would be more than we did not know.

Reading the terms and services is the first thing a gambler should do, if he is playing on a new site where he did not play before. Now every gambling sites have same terms and hence reading the TOS is really important. If gamblers did read these important information they would not face these dual accounts and KYC issues.

By the way, i do not understand why one need to make more than one account on a gambling site ? Is it that someone may want to place two bets on a single match? But this can be done through a single account too Huh

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August 27, 2024, 04:29:20 PM
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I do not see any good reason for them blocking multiple accounts in casino gambling by the casino platform because it has no negative effect to the platform. As long as those accounts do not go against the rules of the casino platform. They need more users and that is also part of getting new users into the system. The reason for banning multiple account in the Casino platform should be that they either violate the platform rules or cheat other users int he platform.
I don't know why they don't allow multiple accounts but I know that it is not a problem to them because you did not harm anyone. When it will be a problem is when you it is in their best ToS and you violate the law. I don't think that they will do anything until you win big because they are looking for every means not to pay you your wins.

I believe that is why they put that in their ToS so that you don't blame them for not paying your wins. I believe they want to make sure that the total number of accounts that is on their platform should be the same number of gamblers that use their casino so that they can have more money.

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August 27, 2024, 04:39:43 PM
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It would be good for newbies and many people on this forum that are not even newbies to read the terms of service of the gambling site that they are using.
Whether you read the terms of the user agreement of gambling sites or not, it will not change anything, because the user is at the complete mercy of the casino, to whose account/wallet he sent his money. Do not forget that even having read and provided for/not allowed a violation of the user agreement, the casino has the right to change the rules of the services provided at any time, not to mention obvious abuses of their powers, such as prohibiting the withdrawal of funds from a gambling deposit or blocking an account, creating obstacles to unblocking (with the subsequent withdrawal of the gambler's funds).

I did not read the terms of service. I use the same ISP to open 3 accounts for the first gambling site.
Why do you need 3 accounts? To win 3 times more prizes? Smiley

For an ordinary gambler who has not entered the "enrichment path in casino", 1 account is enough to pleasantly (and possibly with some financial bonus) while away the time.

Maybe gamblers with 3 accounts really deserve to be blocked because they are looking for ways to exploit the casino system to get rich?
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It would be good for newbies and many people on this forum that are not even newbies to read the terms of service of the gambling site that they are using. Having more than one account is against the ToS of all or most of the gambling sites.

You're putting yourself in a trap if you just signeded up and did not even bother to read the terms of the casino, its part of being a responsible gambler to read and understand the terms of the casino.

You're risking your money here, and its the worst experience if you win a huge amount of money only to find out that you cannot cash it out because you broke one of the terms of the casino that you were not aware of because you did not read the terms.

Read the terms of the casinos you're playing it will only take a few minutes but it will save you money and headache.

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In the past, some casinos allowed their players to have more than 1 account but nowadays almost all casinos do not allow it.
Actually there is no good reason for us to have more than 1 account in a single casino but I did it long time ago at PD and Stake before they have the vault feature.
I believe many players also do the same because they created 2nd account as a bank account.
Coming up to the terms that having multi account is not allowed, I think casinos should also notify players (not only having written terms).
I mean once a player created a 2nd unintentionally from the same IP because the player do not know the rules or because the player lost the first created account, I think casino can detect it and the casino should notify the player so there will be no problem later.

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It would be good for newbies and many people on this forum that are not even newbies to read the terms of service of the gambling site that they are using. Having more than one account is against the ToS of all or most of the gambling sites.

ownership of multiple casino accounts violates casino rules. but actually, the casino also provides an opportunity to fix it.
like Stake also gives an appeal that if a gambler has multiple accounts, the gambler must report it himself. it may be intended to delete other accounts. but maybe there should be consideration related to the history of using other accounts first. if problematic accounts are found, of course, there will be no tolerance for other accounts.

I think the problem of having multiple accounts owned by gamblers is not related to not reading casino rules. but more on the opportunities that can be used by gamblers to get certain benefits.

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August 27, 2024, 05:38:29 PM
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I thought it was obvious already?
The whole point of casinos and other financial services asking for the full information of their gamblers or costumers (Know your client) is to have a well structured data base of information about them and be sure they are not misusing the site for illegal purposes. For that to be effective as regulators intend, it is completely vital for gamblers/costumers to only hold one single account in order to enjoy the service.

By the way, it does not take much effort to know whether a casino allows to hold multiple accounts with them or not, one only needs to go to their Terms of Service webpage and use the search-in-page functionality, typing "accounts" and then Enter. That is all what it takes, for example, through such a simple method we can figure out Stake (one of the biggest and most reliable casinos around here), does not allow multiple accounts, actually they warn about penalities to those who are discovered holding multiple accounts within their casino, that is made in order to deter any possible infraction of this ToS.


Source: https://stake.com/es/policies/terms


At this point, anyone not doing some quick search on the Terms of Service of casinos they use could be tagged as lazy or unaware of this helpful functionality...  Tongue

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August 27, 2024, 05:38:41 PM
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Sometimes they have many accounts at the casino to pursue bonuses such as welcome bonuses or others, they also often ignore the TOS in this gambling sometimes do not read even though it is clear in the TOS that the casino mentions to the player.

However, now casinos are easy to detect multi-accounts if in their investigation then they can block their accounts they want because they have violated the existing TOS rules.

We must feel responsible for the game at the casino, and we must be aware of the TOS is important to remember.

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August 27, 2024, 06:10:29 PM
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Do you noticed that there are many complaints recently about gambling sites blocking the accounts of some users. The user may have more than one account but maybe they do not read the terms of service before gambling. This is the ones that we heard of. There would be more than we did not know.

The first three gambling sites that I used which were local gambling sites, I did not read the terms of service. I use the same ISP to open 3 accounts for the first gambling site. I saw no problem because I lost money than win which makes me to to have a single withdrawal. Supposing that I won huge amount of money, they could have used multi accounting as an excuse not to let me withdraw the money.

It would be good for newbies and many people on this forum that are not even newbies to read the terms of service of the gambling site that they are using. Having more than one account is against the ToS of all or most of the gambling sites.
the issue of blocking accounts in some gambling websites is as result of inability to understand their rule and regulations, during registration of gambling in their Website, some persons overlooked the rules and regulations of the website,mostly people that always fall victim of  breaking some rules and regulations of gambling websites is people who is new to the system, an experience gambler will not have it's account blocked because they know how to overcome any obstacles, so therefore I know quite well that gambling is all about experience.

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