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February 18, 2025, 05:00:55 PM
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I see that the way that There should be workers and not workers.
So If you are worker you mostly work and those who don't work will enjoy the life If everybody start doing this then nobody don't do it proper ways.
Those who have skills they should be working and not getting so high salary because that's the way for them financial freedom but we need skilled people to work yes they can rest and go holidays but mindset of skilled people that they try to stop working that's not accepted by me.
I don't have any skills only high ambituous and good vision how i should live life.
Me i just invest trade and enjoy life becouse Im not interested of much skills and it's difficult for me to learn any skills Im not talented... Only thing i need to know how the river of money flows so i can go with the flow.
How is it possible for people who don't work and don't earn an income to enjoy their lives, unless they were born into a very rich family or descended from a conglomerate or kingdom. I think it is very difficult to achieve financial freedom with just one source of income. The company knows very well how to place employees according to their portions and salaries. At least we should be grateful if we are accepted by a company even though our skills are only ordinary. This can be our capital to collect capital and start a business from the salary we have.

People who have skills and decide to quit, have thought it through carefully, it is impossible for them to just quit or make their decision rashly. How could she not think about her life's needs, of course her husband's opinion was already there. And it is very likely that this person has started a business while he was still working and it could become a bigger business that he inevitably has to manage himself to be more focused. It is impossible to give it to someone else to manage it.

You have high ambitions and visions so that you can achieve sufficient finances, I think just trading is not enough, you should learn a lot from successful people how they work very hard to achieve financial freedom. If you don't want to learn or are not interested in skills, let alone learning them, you just have to wait for the time, you will definitely lose to your life situation. In my opinion, having a vision without execution (learning) is just a hallucination.

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February 18, 2025, 05:05:39 PM
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No one is born talented. When a person matures and develops himself through education and skill, he can become talented. A person will not be able to change his financial situation just by dreaming. If he is focused and hardworking in improving his skills, then he will definitely reach his desired place. But those who waste time only on being talented will rather keep themselves behind. I want to be financially successful but if I cannot develop myself in that way, then I will never be able to reach my target.

We cannot achieve something just by wanting. The things we want must be worked for and this effort must be supported by knowledge. Education can help us reach our goals because a good education allows us to learn how to do many things. We must work harder to develop our skills because knowledge alone is not enough to reach our goals. Success comes in an environment where knowledge and skills are used together.

We have to improve ourselves financially. In today's conditions, this is a must. With planned and good work, we can obtain financial information and achieve goals with the experience gained over time.
I disagree with what was said about talent, because there are also people who are born with talent, but what makes the difference is maybe they want to hone their talent or not. For example, a football player, there are players who are born talented so that it helps them achieve something big in their career and also professional players also earn big money. However, I agree if it is not honed and there is no desire, then it will be useless at all because they cannot utilize their talent properly. Maybe this is if only seen at a glance, then what I said will look different or unrelated, but if you look deeper you will find the point.

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February 18, 2025, 05:40:46 PM
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No one is born talented. When a person matures and develops himself through education and skill, he can become talented. A person will not be able to change his financial situation just by dreaming. If he is focused and hardworking in improving his skills, then he will definitely reach his desired place. But those who waste time only on being talented will rather keep themselves behind. I want to be financially successful but if I cannot develop myself in that way, then I will never be able to reach my target.
What you said is very right, everyone can master a skill because they go through education or do something they like until they are very good at it and it is very unlikely that someone can change their financial situation just by dreaming, of course it takes hard work to achieve their success and also they do something consistently and can achieve the results they want.

When someone wastes their time doing useless things, of course they will regret it when they are old and do not have an income that can meet all their needs and that is certainly very unfortunate, so it is very important for anyone to stay focused on themselves and continue to develop the potential they have in order to be successful.

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February 18, 2025, 11:04:48 PM
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No one is born talented. When a person matures and develops himself through education and skill, he can become talented. A person will not be able to change his financial situation just by dreaming. If he is focused and hardworking in improving his skills, then he will definitely reach his desired place. But those who waste time only on being talented will rather keep themselves behind. I want to be financially successful but if I cannot develop myself in that way, then I will never be able to reach my target.

We cannot achieve something just by wanting. The things we want must be worked for and this effort must be supported by knowledge. Education can help us reach our goals because a good education allows us to learn how to do many things. We must work harder to develop our skills because knowledge alone is not enough to reach our goals. Success comes in an environment where knowledge and skills are used together.

We have to improve ourselves financially. In today's conditions, this is a must. With planned and good work, we can obtain financial information and achieve goals with the experience gained over time.
I disagree with what was said about talent, because there are also people who are born with talent, but what makes the difference is maybe they want to hone their talent or not. For example, a football player, there are players who are born talented so that it helps them achieve something big in their career and also professional players also earn big money. However, I agree if it is not honed and there is no desire, then it will be useless at all because they cannot utilize their talent properly. Maybe this is if only seen at a glance, then what I said will look different or unrelated, but if you look deeper you will find the point.

You're right everyone has his/her talent, the moment they just bring you into the world of course you have your talent. Is inbuilt so we shouldn't decide ourselves by saying that no one is born with a talent, anyone who is saying that probably it might be that they gave birth to him in a different way LoL.

Actually I think the reason why most people is finding it very difficult to believe that everyone is born talented, maybe they think that nature is going to make it very obvious to them. without knowing that before one could discover his talent, definitely you will have to work towards it. in the process of doing that you can actually find out your field, And become professional in that very field.

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February 19, 2025, 04:56:08 AM
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I disagree with what was said about talent, because there are also people who are born with talent, but what makes the difference is maybe they want to hone their talent or not. For example, a football player, there are players who are born talented so that it helps them achieve something big in their career and also professional players also earn big money. However, I agree if it is not honed and there is no desire, then it will be useless at all because they cannot utilize their talent properly. Maybe this is if only seen at a glance, then what I said will look different or unrelated, but if you look deeper you will find the point.
In every person there must be a talent that they master, in essence it depends on themselves to minimize their talents which of course by seeing the potential can produce, the size of the income depends on the talent they master, all have provisions since we realize the need to hone talents from the beginning it is very necessary because one day the talents we have can be useful for ourselves and others.

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February 19, 2025, 12:52:06 PM
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I disagree with what was said about talent, because there are also people who are born with talent, but what makes the difference is maybe they want to hone their talent or not. For example, a football player, there are players who are born talented so that it helps them achieve something big in their career and also professional players also earn big money. However, I agree if it is not honed and there is no desire, then it will be useless at all because they cannot utilize their talent properly. Maybe this is if only seen at a glance, then what I said will look different or unrelated, but if you look deeper you will find the point.

You're right everyone has his/her talent, the moment they just bring you into the world of course you have your talent. Is inbuilt so we shouldn't decide ourselves by saying that no one is born with a talent, anyone who is saying that probably it might be that they gave birth to him in a different way LoL.

Actually I think the reason why most people is finding it very difficult to believe that everyone is born talented, maybe they think that nature is going to make it very obvious to them. without knowing that before one could discover his talent, definitely you will have to work towards it. in the process of doing that you can actually find out your field, And become professional in that very field.
It is possible that the person always fails and indeed their best ability is not in that field, but does that mean they will not be successful when they do not do something according to their talents? Of course not, it's just that maybe they will take longer in the process, because they need to digest one by one from each of what they learn and what they experience.
For example, in an effort to achieve good finances, someone does business, but in their ability in business they are said to be less skilled. They can still do it, it's just that they have to study more and more seriously.
Therefore, I actually also disagree with the school curriculum in my country, because I see it as ineffective. Because the teachers seem to force something on their students. What they should do is direct their students to something that leads to the best abilities in each student. Moreover, there is still a gap between schools in urban and rural areas, while they apply the same curriculum which in my opinion is clearly not relevant at all.

In every person there must be a talent that they master, in essence it depends on themselves to minimize their talents which of course by seeing the potential can produce, the size of the income depends on the talent they master, all have provisions since we realize the need to hone talents from the beginning it is very necessary because one day the talents we have can be useful for ourselves and others.

Continuing what I said earlier about talent. Here the role of parents as the closest people and should be the ones who understand their children the most should be those who can better understand what natural talents their children have. but in reality, my parents saw many who forced their own desires which in my opinion were completely unreasonable. For example, their parents who had dreams of becoming a doctor since childhood, then they couldn't make it happen. Finally, they forced their children to do that desire. They didn't think about whether the child was comfortable or not, which ultimately had an impact on their mental state which was very stressful when going to medical school.

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February 20, 2025, 11:47:11 AM
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I see that the way that There should be workers and not workers.
So If you are worker you mostly work and those who don't work will enjoy the life If everybody start doing this then nobody don't do it proper ways.
Those who have skills they should be working and not getting so high salary because that's the way for them financial freedom but we need skilled people to work yes they can rest and go holidays but mindset of skilled people that they try to stop working that's not accepted by me.
I don't have any skills only high ambituous and good vision how i should live life.
Me i just invest trade and enjoy life becouse Im not interested of much skills and it's difficult for me to learn any skills Im not talented... Only thing i need to know how the river of money flows so i can go with the flow.

Well that's your way of thinking ang i respect about it, expert says work smarter not harder so of there are easy way to earn money why you work so hard with your skills! Sometimes skills is not much profitable than trading, investment or building a business,so many people work smarter and earn big profit than working hard with thier skills in minimum time and wages.

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February 21, 2025, 04:27:12 PM
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If you don't have money you can't enjoy life.  To enjoy, you must work.  Working with skilled workers increases the investment of any organization.  But if you give them leave then unskilled workers will not be able to produce quality products.  Just then the company will suffer financially and the company will be destroyed.  Not only investment but also work experience and diligence.  Only then money will continue to grow like a river
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February 21, 2025, 05:35:06 PM
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No one is born talented. When a person matures and develops himself through education and skill, he can become talented. A person will not be able to change his financial situation just by dreaming. If he is focused and hardworking in improving his skills, then he will definitely reach his desired place. But those who waste time only on being talented will rather keep themselves behind. I want to be financially successful but if I cannot develop myself in that way, then I will never be able to reach my target.

We cannot achieve something just by wanting. The things we want must be worked for and this effort must be supported by knowledge. Education can help us reach our goals because a good education allows us to learn how to do many things. We must work harder to develop our skills because knowledge alone is not enough to reach our goals. Success comes in an environment where knowledge and skills are used together.

We have to improve ourselves financially. In today's conditions, this is a must. With planned and good work, we can obtain financial information and achieve goals with the experience gained over time.
I disagree with what was said about talent, because there are also people who are born with talent, but what makes the difference is maybe they want to hone their talent or not. For example, a football player, there are players who are born talented so that it helps them achieve something big in their career and also professional players also earn big money. However, I agree if it is not honed and there is no desire, then it will be useless at all because they cannot utilize their talent properly. Maybe this is if only seen at a glance, then what I said will look different or unrelated, but if you look deeper you will find the point.
Talent is a special ability that people acquire birthly or naturally If you can guide your talent in that way, you will be successful in what you want to be in life. Different people have different types such as art, singers, literature, players, philosophersEtc. To developed your talent, you identify what is talented that you can be based on your interest or skill.

Increase your confidence in yourself and develop practices and habits on a regular basis to improve your talent. Take some time every day and practice accordingly  you will see that you can use your talented You are different people to develop your talentTake advice near and keep working regularly every day and apply it in real life thus your mindset will increase and the range of thought expands Time is needed to develop talent, but if you can work patiently and pursue it patiently, it is definitely for youWill be fruitful.

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Your way of thinking is bad, even though you don't have skills, trading requires skill and expertise along with trading knowledge that you must master, Likewise, investing requires assessment before you do it, it's not as easy as turning the palm of your hand, crypto trading is not the same as trading ice cream.

I love this hard fact that you put straight out there to him. The truth remains, crypto trading is not the same as trading ice cream and even when you trade ice cream, I'm sure you need basic marketing skills to leverage over the overpopulated market of other ice cream sellers, who probably produce better products than you do. If you trade ice-cream, if you come into the ice cream trading market, either as a manufacturer or as a distributor, you need to understand basic marketing skills to be able to improve your products as a manufacturer through enhancing your product development such as observing best practices in quality control and curating innovative flavors that will add to the taste, smell and look of the product to make it more appealing.

As a distributor, especially to the end users, you also need basic marketing strategies such as creating a viable and lasting brand identity through packaging, etc. You also need basic marketing strategies like taking advantage of the social media platforms to do online orders and expand on the audience of your products.

And there's many more things I didn't mention here that goes into trading ice cream to get your desired results which will require you to build basic yet solid skills around it. Talk more of crypto trading which is in fact more technical and requires more holistic approach into learning and understanding it.

To trade in crypto, you will need know and clearly understand the meaning of Bitcoin, Altcoins, Stablecoins and Memecoins and how they operate. You also need basic knowledge on  the liquidity in market, market cap, pump and dump, the bull run, bear run and other terminologies such as HODL, FOMO, ATH, Make Profit and Stop Loss among many other things.

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The economy doesn't just come without you working, skills and expertise will determine whether you have a good economy, or whether you work will make money with a predetermined wage, Try researching what percentage of people work and what percentage of people open businesses based on the skills they have, nowadays with sophisticated technology, if you don't have skills you will be left behind either in the economy or in life.

 If you follow the river current, if you don't have swimming skills, you will be carried away by the current and get caught in branches or rubbish piles, without being able to reach the edge you will automatically never reach your destination.

I like the example of the river and swimming skills and it applies to all walks of life. These days, soft skills are not just enough and won't take you anywhere because the competition is rising every day and people are developing cutting-edge technologies driven by skills to survive. When you don't work, your economy will not grow, it will remain stagnant. A long time stagnated economy without solutions bring about collapse in countries economy like we've seen in many Sub-Saharan countries in Africa and some part of Asia.

Very straight forward and clear point "your way of thinking is bad"
Life is not without experiments (I say experiment because when you try something and it fails it becomes a lesson)

What does op really mean by not being talented. For sure talented have been overrated. You have some amazing ideas and can likewise learn!! So what does it mean not to have talent?

However, just like the example of a rivers and swimming above, how will you learn swimming without experimenting it.
How will one say i won't know how to swim even if I try to learn. But when you learn swimming, it can't be at the same level as others which is just life happening by itself.

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Everyone has a different path in life and way of achieving their goals. Working hard and honing your skills is certainly important, but it is not the only way to achieve financial freedom or enjoy life. What matters most is how we choose to live our lives and achieve our goals because everyone must follow their own path, as long as they respect the choices of others.

That's right and it's exactly the truth that our goals in life differs from person and we tend to achieve that goal by all means and what is required is to brace up and work hard to achieve that goals. Despite that our approach for success is undeniable so therefore I think we need to put in more effort to this place, but on the contrary one access to success is hardwork so you need to put in more efforts on that.

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The economy of a country ultimately has to reward those who support its ongoing health.  If speculation and those with majority of assets (or debt etc.) do too much better then those who simply work hard and/or grow a business in some way then the country will not do well it'll become top heavy and unbalanced.  

I see economics as a natural study not politics like it has become.  We have overshadowed the simple nature of unbiased trade with too much interference and political debt, well meant programs of various kinds but constant over spending has produced too much debt and gigantic bias towards that debt.
   Nobody has to care about this exactly because no doubt some will benefit but as above I think we are failing to respect the ability and freedom of plain workers, to earn and retain their earnings in a meaningful way.  Over tax your population and you make them worse off not likely to wish to retain their citizenship or continued over taxation.

   Either democracy votes out the failed system and dissolves its failed policies or the entire country may become endangered.  Sadly at least some of these words and sentiment appears to be a constant theme for 20 years or more in many overly endebted countries with gigantic political economies, now even in the richest country of the world its off kilter in places and cannot be left to damage those lawful citizens who just wish to survive.

 
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I get what you’re trying to say, but I think this view underestimates how fragile “going with the money flow” really is. Investing and trading still rely on people building real things. If everyone tried to just ride the flow, there would be no flow. Even traders depend on skilled workers indirectly. There’s nothing wrong with investing, but calling skills unnecessary is risky imo.

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I’ve seen many people say they’ll just trade and enjoy life, but most don’t last. markets are unforgiving. without skills, one bad cycle can wipe years of gains. ironically, the most successful traders I know are very disciplined learners. they never stopped “working,” they just work differently.
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I see that the way that There should be workers and not workers.
So If you are worker you mostly work and those who don't work will enjoy the life If everybody start doing this then nobody don't do it proper ways.
Those who have skills they should be working and not getting so high salary because that's the way for them financial freedom but we need skilled people to work yes they can rest and go holidays but mindset of skilled people that they try to stop working that's not accepted by me.
I don't have any skills only high ambituous and good vision how i should live life.
Me i just invest trade and enjoy life becouse Im not interested of much skills and it's difficult for me to learn any skills Im not talented... Only thing i need to know how the river of money flows so i can go with the flow.


If I understand your point correctly, in the modern world, essentially under mass capitalism, you don't necessarily need to have a lot of skills; a narrow skill that brings in money is enough, and therefore you don't need to know or know anything else. And that's true. If you're a talented investor, you really don't need to know how to cook, clean, or fix appliances, because there are people who will happily do it for you and get paid for it. That's why many actors and athletes are stupid; all they want in life is to be able to act for the camera.

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I get what you’re saying, but imo it’s a bit idealistic. Someone has to do the actual work, and skilled people usually get paid more because they’re hard to replace. If everyone just tried to “go with the money flow,” the system would break. Investing and trading also rely on other people producing real value first.

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I get what you’re saying, but imo it’s a bit idealistic. Someone has to do the actual work, and skilled people usually get paid more because they’re hard to replace. If everyone just tried to “go with the money flow,” the system would break. Investing and trading also rely on other people producing real value first.
Don't think about the salary we receive for every job because some people don't like asking about income first. Perhaps not every activity we undertake is capable of being done, so we must follow every workflow according to existing or established rules.
We do various trials first regarding the work we will continue because if we question the value, it will be more dangerous for those who start it. So as each activity progresses, our skills will certainly improve, the results will be perfect, and nothing will be damaged by following the predetermined flow of results.

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December 20, 2025, 04:24:02 PM
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I get what you’re saying, but imo it’s a bit idealistic. Someone has to do the actual work, and skilled people usually get paid more because they’re hard to replace. If everyone just tried to “go with the money flow,” the system would break. Investing and trading also rely on other people producing real value first.
skills and real work are the foundation of any economy. Skilled people usually earn higher salaries than others. I have read all discussions everyone has their own perspective on the economy and this is mine. I believe a person should first learn skills then start a business or job and give it full effort. After that they should live within their income and avoid depending on loans. A person who lives by these principles will not feel ashamed in the long run. Managing life within a budget while continuously upgrading skills is the true meaning of a strong and healthy economy

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You're right everyone has his/her talent, the moment they just bring you into the world of course you have your talent. Is inbuilt so we shouldn't decide ourselves by saying that no one is born with a talent, anyone who is saying that probably it might be that they gave birth to him in a different way LoL.

Actually I think the reason why most people is finding it very difficult to believe that everyone is born talented, maybe they think that nature is going to make it very obvious to them. without knowing that before one could discover his talent, definitely you will have to work towards it. in the process of doing that you can actually find out your field, And become professional in that very field.
I am very much in accord with you. Talent is always there, right from birth. But as they grow, they develop it to become useful. When someone fails to develop their talent, it becomes a waste, and they will take it to their grave. Some talents are taken by force; most people may not have the talent, but because they love to see others do it, they also want to do it. By so doing, it gradually becomes a part of them.

I also believe there are different types of talent. Some talent showcases itself without much work to be done. While some talent, a must work is to be done before people can see you have a talent.

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You're right everyone has his/her talent, the moment they just bring you into the world of course you have your talent. Is inbuilt so we shouldn't decide ourselves by saying that no one is born with a talent, anyone who is saying that probably it might be that they gave birth to him in a different way LoL.

Actually I think the reason why most people is finding it very difficult to believe that everyone is born talented, maybe they think that nature is going to make it very obvious to them. without knowing that before one could discover his talent, definitely you will have to work towards it. in the process of doing that you can actually find out your field, And become professional in that very field.
I am very much in accord with you. Talent is always there, right from birth. But as they grow, they develop it to become useful. When someone fails to develop their talent, it becomes a waste, and they will take it to their grave. Some talents are taken by force; most people may not have the talent, but because they love to see others do it, they also want to do it. By so doing, it gradually becomes a part of them.

I also believe there are different types of talent. Some talent showcases itself without much work to be done. While some talent, a must work is to be done before people can see you have a talent.
Everyone has talent inside, but that talent needs to be brought out, if it is not developed, it gradually becomes irrelevant. We also never know what kind of talent we have, but we have to bring everything out through courage, discipline and continuous hard work. The main thing is not to accept defeat, but you have to keep working to move forward, you have to unlock your talent and reach the goal by overcoming obstacles and adversities.

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