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September 08, 2024, 10:43:13 AM
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What if the population decreases rapidly in the future, while Monero will keep churning out new coins in eternity?

Don't you think the deflationary nature of BTC will shine for a store of value?
Store of what value ? what value does it have if it's not used for anything else aside from speculation ?
Gold has seen several generations and centuries yet, it’s been valued all the same. Why is that? It’s because, value is places where people sense it to be. It’s more of what the mind thinks or attributes to certain objects due to how rare it is and not because, there isn’t sufficient of this and that element.

As such, Bitcoin is a scares commodity, that makes it rare and has value to it. Now, it’s not unusual that people might seem to preserve that value within it by holding.

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If population decreased drastically (I suppose WW3 or Alien attack), then the crypto they hold would most probably disappear with them.
We need new supply to replenish the lost coins.
With so many nukes in our world today, you’ll just hope we don’t have some crazy leader somewhere on the planet decide to let it rain on us because, we really would have the world greatly reduced. Perhaps they could go the way they’ve been going as some theories speculates, Ebola, Covid, vaccinations and leave war alone.

Even in the face of all that, we would t need anything new for crypto replacement or replenishment. In fact, those who has it as am sure there would be some percentage of people that would own it even still. The government do own cryptos. Not like they bought or something but, the seized ones at least. Let’s not forget where it is legal tender and amongst its citizens.

It just wouldn’t go out but, would find itself having more value and the lost ones due to deceased owners, lost wallets and private keys, lack of the technology to work it would only add to the scarcity and those who owns what need be to work theres. Maybe it might take time but, survivals would gradually clamor back to the system.







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September 08, 2024, 11:01:28 AM
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We need new supply to replenish the lost coins.
There is a common misconception about "lost coins". If you drop half wheat flour in existence into the ocean, it will not be consumed by anyone, therefore it is considered lost-- people now have half of that good than they had before. But, money is never lost; it is only transferred. If you throw $10T into the ocean, the total goods and services remain the same. It's just that, due to decline in money supply, they are priced higher.

This guy is more concise than I am:
Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more.  Think of it as a donation to everyone.
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September 08, 2024, 12:34:46 PM
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This guy is more concise than I am:
Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more.  Think of it as a donation to everyone.
That’s what is referred as a blessing in disguise and what a better way to put it:

“A donation to everyone else”!

One man’s misfortune becoming every holders blessing in such a way that, no one gets cheated but actually rewarded for holding and based on the volume of their holdings.

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September 08, 2024, 09:12:23 PM
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A little "back to topic" post: As a forum user in the Spanish forum asked me, I've investigated the approximate date when the Nakamoto upgraded protocol will be activated on Stacks, according to the roadmap. I think for those interested in this or in sidechains in general it might be a good idea to post my conclusions in English too.

Disclaimer: This is my interpretation of the official Stacks documents. Unfortunately these documents are a bit "stingy" with information about the exact block heights when the different Nakamoto phases will be activated, and the Stacks block explorers do not show the number of the cycle we're in currently.



Nakamoto upgrade is activated in two phases according to the Rollout Plan document:

First phase: "Instantation" of Nakamoto (August 28, Bitcoin block 840360). The code was updated but there was still no rule change. Done.

Second phase: Nakamoto activation - from August 28 on, has three steps:

- First step: A "pause" cycle (cycle 92) where the Stacks signers (consensus participants) can update their client software to the Nakamoto code. We're currently in this phase (September 8, 2024).
- Second step: In cycle 93 the signers vote for a hard fork block. This cycle begins at Stacks block 166121 which corresponds to Bitcoin block 861350. The new signers are confirmed on Bitcoin block 861,500, and this will be the block when voting begins.
- Third step: The actual Nakamoto hard fork with the rule changes. The exact block will be decided from around September 15 to September 29/30 (it's currently 981 10-minute blocks ahead). This means that probably the hard fork will take place in October, although it may be already happening in the last days of September.

sBTC, the new bridge based on a dynamic federation, according to the documents will be activated about 4 weeks after the hard fork. So this will probably take place in November 2024.

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September 11, 2024, 02:47:53 PM
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How is the creation of more and more hard fork helping Bitcoin?
First of all, the purpose of stacks is to allow bitcoin’s functionality to work better without hard forking. It is a completely different project that is only connected to the blockchain of bitcoin but not a hard fork. It doesn’t change anything to bitcoin’s protocol. Stacks is closer to a bitcoin layer.

To answer your question, hard forks are trying to improve and address all the other problems in the blockchain but it also brings great risks because it challenges the security and stability of the blockchain.
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Is this something Bitcoiners would like?
It may seem promising but I don’t think it would be the magic solution to bitcoin’s scalability issues. It might help but I am almost certain it will not contribute greatly and magically change the system. But I would be happy to be proved wrong.
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