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Author Topic: Shouldn't there be a rule to prevent burst-posting or spam such as this?  (Read 1096 times)
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September 09, 2024, 06:12:44 AM
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 It's easy to be that fast if what he's dropping are one liner posts but if he is looking to catch the eyes of the campaign owners, I feel more effort should be added and less of the post bursting because that is something most campaign managers actually frown over; post bursting.
 Again, it's not an issue if you are quick to drop your posts but often times it's regarded as rubbish and meaningless. No need to be in a hurry to complete your post count when the CM probably gave you ample time to finish up.

 
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September 09, 2024, 08:03:39 AM
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Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.
I used to do that, until I gave up. Modlog shows 31 deleted posts for userID 3618422, and that's just in the last week. He's been on top of most posts in the past 7 days for a while now, he popped up 21 times in my automated keyword spam search and he's accused of using chatbot plagiarism. He's on my ignore list.
Wasting more time on reporting his posts is a tremendous waste of time if it doesn't result in a permanent ban. Which is what he should have received a long time ago.

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September 09, 2024, 09:23:24 AM
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Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.
I used to do that, until I gave up.
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I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.

If that doesn't make them understand, there is only one more option, but a permanent ban due to spam is something that is hard to expect.


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September 09, 2024, 10:02:59 AM
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If posts are spam, let's report them and the spammer will come to a ban soon.

A little bit beyond this case, you can see a user makes a series of post but if these posts are good in quality, it's not a spammer and no issue at all. Assume he composes these posts and when are ready, he releases it in a series. This style is not common but I would like to give the example to show that quality is key of deciding a post is spam or not spam, should be deleted or kept and a poster should be banned or not.

This is exactly what I do regularly. I can tell this guy is a regular forum user, and his one-line responses don't always qualify as spam, but he sees his posts being deleted regularly and doesn't even question why. He didn't post anything for one day, and I had hoped that the moderators had cooled his ardor for such posting, but seeing today's thread, I know this is not the end Embarrassed.


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September 09, 2024, 10:40:26 AM
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[2.] Increasing number of posts.

I don't see any benefit for him in increasing the post count because he isn't making quality posts and earning merits. In that case, one would think he is trying to rank up, but that isn't even the case with him.

As much as reports might be the way, be rest assured that, they do get what is deserved as at when the time is due.

Hoping for that, time should have been due already by now considering he has been doing this for some time now.

No need to be in a hurry to complete your post count when the CM probably gave you ample time to finish up.

His motive isn't to get the attention of CMs because his rank doesn't qualify him to join a campaign.

He's on my ignore list.
Wasting more time on reporting his posts is a tremendous waste of time if it doesn't result in a permanent ban. Which is what he should have received a long time ago.

Considering the amount of posts he makes, it's true that manually reporting every post will only waste our time. Reporting a few of his posts and then putting him on the ignore list is probably the best way to go with.

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September 09, 2024, 10:58:52 AM
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Considering the amount of posts he makes, it's true that manually reporting every post will only waste our time. Reporting a few of his posts and then putting him on the ignore list is probably the best way to go with.
But if you don't report his posts, his account will not be banned. If you want him to be banned, keep reporting and you can visit his post history page like once a week, to report all his spam post. It can take you some minutes to do it each week if you feel that account is very bad for the forum.

I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.
Many reports, many deleted posts contribute a first temporary ban. Many temporary bans cause a permanent ban. It's the flow of spammer to Archive bin of forum.

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If that doesn't make them understand, there is only one more option, but a permanent ban due to spam is something that is hard to expect.
The rule is only 3 temporary bans, and a fourth one is a permanent ban but if a first temporary ban need like 100 or 200 spam posts to be executed, a permanent ban with spam reasons, maybe will need up to 400, 800 or 1000 spam posts, that is unbelievable. I agree, it's hard to expect a permanent ban on a spammer.

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There're already penalties for spamming or in anyway forum users tends to break the forum policies.
So applying if there could be a law guiding that fact to prevent it from ongoing hasn't been a new development in the forum because I can remember that spamming or related going against the forum rules are banning, suspension and even reputational effects.
Just as other users has suggested on reporting the users posts, I'd also call on his mentioned to the board maybe sanction him with warning to refrain from the acts.
I actually made some research if he's doing it to meet up his campaign payment tasks but don't find him in any. So then I wonder what else could make me bursting his posting counts.

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September 09, 2024, 12:25:08 PM
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Usually users tend to do like this because they have paying campaign. Report it to the campaign manager so the user will get removed and get nothing, which i think he is really in a campaign or just wearing it.

As for forum rules, there's no rules for "burst-posting", unless the posts are considered and reported as spam. But if the posts are somewhat good, then there's no issue at all.
I certainly agree. Report to the campaign manager instead so that he will be automatically warned and if there’s no improvement after that, then the campaign manager will be responsible enough to remove the poster or ban his account in all of his campaigns.

However, with regards to spamming, I have observed a lot of members are still doing this, but because their posts are also having a quality content, then they’re still in the forum. But still, posting with just a two-three minute interval should be corrected also, since that could still end up spamming in the forum.

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But if you don't report his posts, his account will not be banned. If you want him to be banned, keep reporting
If Mods would be less forgiving for spammers, none of this would be necessary. So maybe it's necessary for spam to get worse before Mods start banning them again.

This comes to mind:
moderators are becoming lenient in moderation, number of banned users reduce.
Just a thought: do Mods earn more from 1 banned account, or from 40 deleted posts?

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September 09, 2024, 02:01:43 PM
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But if you don't report his posts, his account will not be banned. If you want him to be banned, keep reporting
If Mods would be less forgiving for spammers, none of this would be necessary. So maybe it's necessary for spam to get worse before Mods start banning them again.
What's the point of reporting if the moderators don't take proper action? I understand mods are only human, and they can't clean everything all by themselves! Anyway, as far as I'm aware of, some moderators can only move or delete posts but cannot ban a person (not sure though), maybe that could be a reason for not perma or temp ban? At altcointalks, users are categorized into certain groups with specific name tags. Like bounty cheater, warning, spammer, translator, and teleported, I wonder if such a feature would be effective to reduce spam and certain negative things at Bitcointalks. Not every person checks the feedback left by others, but when the tags are showing directly beside the profile, many would try to avoid interacting with that person!

Quick question: What is the requirement to get the report handled page? I mean, I don't remember exactly, but we have to have a minimum number good reports to be able to enable that thingy! I just don't remember Lips sealed

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September 09, 2024, 02:03:23 PM
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The most I know about post bursting is in signature campaigns where managers frown at that and often punish any individual who is fond of it with things like no payment or removal from the campaign. However, I do not think there is any rule that forbids that and even if there is, there is no punishment spelt out unless such posts are continuously reported to the mods, perhaps they can take action against such users. Although I have seen some decent post bursting by some reputable member of the forum, the intention of which is to draw attention to a topic that was discussed in previous years that deserve attention or relevant to today. I don't know if such is right or simply creating new topic and referencing the old thread would have been better.

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September 09, 2024, 03:09:16 PM
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If Mods would be less forgiving for spammers, none of this would be necessary. So maybe it's necessary for spam to get worse before Mods start banning them again.

The "report to moderator" button is there for a reason, moderators can't see through thousands of profiles alone, with the support of the community everything becomes more easy.

Some spam profiles must have slipped past the rader, but one thing is certain: no spam profiles are ignored intentionally.

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September 09, 2024, 04:11:31 PM
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Exact same thing is currently happening on games and rounds as we speak.

Go look to see posts done within 1 minute a part from a legendary member spamming their promotional garbage.

Why are they even allowed to do this on the forum again?
They are above the forum rules from one member to another?
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September 09, 2024, 04:13:20 PM
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They are above the forum rules from one member to another?
No. If anyone breaks forum rules, report the post.

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September 09, 2024, 04:52:57 PM
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They are above the forum rules from one member to another?
No. If anyone breaks forum rules, report the post.
You can see for yourself and evaluate their conduct:


Reporting goes directly to the one who is a campaigner moderating those reports so nothing will be done.
Only if high ranking members who see this rule on the forum is being broken repeatedly for weeks now report this campaign manager would any actions ensue.
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September 09, 2024, 04:59:47 PM
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Post bursting have been of major concern in the forum and I observed that most of the people that does post bursting are those with high numbers of post count per week in their campaign and newbies too and this post bursting is mostly noticed during the ending days of a campaign as some users does so in order to meet up signature post quota to get paid however, I suggest there should be a restriction that should be placed such that if a user makes a post, they will not be allowed to make another post until like 10 minutes or more, by so doing post bursting will reduce drastically but as for spamming, once a spammer is always a spammer so just like others suggested, report to moderator is your friend.











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September 09, 2024, 05:02:32 PM
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Reporting goes directly to the one who is a campaigner moderating those reports so nothing will be done.
Reports go to the board's moderators, in this case: Cyrus and hilariousandco. Have you tried it?

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September 09, 2024, 05:12:09 PM
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Reporting goes directly to the one who is a campaigner moderating those reports so nothing will be done.
Reports go to the board's moderators, in this case: Cyrus and hilariousandco. Have you tried it?
That is who exactly who is rejecting these reports towards this user due to the fact theyre in the campaign they manage.
So any action done will affect their monetary value of dealing out any legitimate action towards them.
Just keep reporting the posts and explain in details while reporting it. All his spam posts would be deleted and he may likely get temporary ban.
I used to do that, until I gave up. Modlog shows 31 deleted posts for userID 3618422, and that's just in the last week. He's been on top of most posts in the past 7 days for a while now, he popped up 21 times in my automated keyword spam search and he's accused of using chatbot plagiarism. He's on my ignore list.
Wasting more time on reporting his posts is a tremendous waste of time if it doesn't result in a permanent ban. Which is what he should have received a long time ago.
So why are they allowed to continue on with these actions on the forum? Knowing they will not be discipled at all because the one moderating the topics will not do a thing to them.
It is a conflict of interest to their bitcoin wallet this hilariousandco I am referring too.
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September 09, 2024, 05:26:22 PM
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That is who exactly who is rejecting these reports towards this user due to the fact theyre in the campaign they manage.
So any action done will affect their monetary value of dealing out any legitimate action towards them.
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It is a conflict of interest to their bitcoin wallet this hilariousandco I am referring too.
If you think Mods delete too much (or not enough), you should open a topic in Meta. From what I've seen, theymos takes this serious. But you'll need to have a solid case.

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September 09, 2024, 05:28:32 PM
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That is a literal definition of a spammer, I guess we could easily just report it and surely we can see that the post history of his account is already evident on spamming, I mean 2 2-minute intervals are for me is not acceptable, he is probably using some kind of bot or AI with this interval but his post seems legit, using a short liner reply. Seems like he wants to increase his post count or something like that, but for sure if the moderator sees this spam it might be a reason for a ban but let's leave it to the mods.
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