notblox1 vs AB de Royse777 controversy discussion thread

[worldofcoins]

The guys is not telling what not to write in the thread, deleting the replies of users he thinks not helping him or prevent others from giving him proof against 🌹. He however didn’t delete Dave’s reply for some reason.

And not locking the thread.

Again, not playing devil's advocate here, but he did mention what he expected from his thread. Everything else can be considered off-topic according to his view. He has every right to delete whatever the hell he wants in his self-moderating thread. Just like anyone else can.

Suppose.. Tomorrow I make a thread against someone on the forum a self moderated one, and delete every post that doesn’t suit my agenda except members who have a powerful profile (because they can use their influence against me in at present or in future)

Posts in self moderation threads should only be removed when they are spam, off-topic not to take advantage of it to push one sides agenda.

[KingsDen]

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Suppose.. Tomorrow I make a thread against someone on the forum a self moderated one, and delete every post that doesn’t suit my agenda except members who have a powerful profile (because they can use their influence against me in at present or in future)

If you do this, it is fine and not against the rule. Don't undermine the power of self moderation. If you feel that the starter of the self moderated thread is grossly biased and doesn't encourage freedom of speech, you are free to open a parallel topic such as Poker player has done.

Posts in self moderation threads should only be removed when they are spam, off-topic not to take advantage of it to push one sides agenda.

Posts in self moderated threads can be removed when the starter doesn't like your posts, when it goes against their rules even when they don't have a rule. His wife could annoy him and he comes in the forum and delete all the posts. When next you are going to post in a self moderated thread, be ready to accept harsh moderation.

[worldofcoins]

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Suppose.. Tomorrow I make a thread against someone on the forum a self moderated one, and delete every post that doesn’t suit my agenda except members who have a powerful profile (because they can use their influence against me in at present or in future)

If you do this, it is fine and not against the rule. Don't undermine the power of self moderation. If you feel that the starter of the self moderated thread is grossly biased and doesn't encourage freedom of speech, you are free to open a parallel topic such as Poker player has done.

Posts in self moderation threads should only be removed when they are spam, off-topic not to take advantage of it to push one sides agenda.

Posts in self moderated threads can be removed when the starter doesn't like your posts, when it goes against their rules even when they don't have a rule. His wife could annoy him and he comes in the forum and delete all the posts. When next you are going to post in a self moderated thread, be ready to accept harsh moderation.

The OP of self moderated thread can surely delete the posts he doesn’t like but it does tell about what kind of convo he wants, specially after not mentioning what he don’t want to hear and leaving the interpretation to the poster (This is done to hide the true intention or expecting others will write what you want)

He made his intention that he wants info in PM, he can lock down the thread and bump the thread to keep it visible but no he chose the second route.

[Charles-Tim]

I personally do not think that the neutral tag is worth it. I read your post in his self moderated thread, it was very much on topic and doesn't deserve to be deleted. My own post was also deleted by him but I took it in a good fate.
If you are going to post in a self moderated thread, be willing to accept harsh moderation

Harsh moderation from a poster that is not reputed. But good moderation from a reputed poster. I think that is how it could be. If such topic was posted by a newbie, I would not have posted if it is self-moderated. Many of us might not have posted. Also the neutral tag is harmless. Just a warning to let people know that their post could likely be deleted. I wanted not to give the neutral tag but almost all posts are getting deleted. I will remove the neutral tag after a week when everyone would have seen it.

[yahoo62278]

I personally do not think that the neutral tag is worth it. I read your post in his self moderated thread, it was very much on topic and doesn't deserve to be deleted. My own post was also deleted by him but I took it in a good fate.
If you are going to post in a self moderated thread, be willing to accept harsh moderation

I will remove the neutral tag after a week when everyone would have seen it.

Why leave the tag at all if you are going to delete it after a week? If the tag is justified, then leave it, no point in removing it after you think enough have viewed it. The only time to remove a tag soon after placing it is maybe if a scam accusation pops up on a user and you feel the accusation needs acknowledged. I have left a couple for sites when a user seems to have a case and the site needs to reply.

Far as the notblox situation goes, for the most part a manager has the final say. If you don't like his say, take it up with them through pm. If they outright scammed you it's different, but this is not an outright scam. Just don't join anymore of that managers bounties if you don't like the way they manage. My 2 cents anyways.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Far as the notblox situation goes, for the most part a manager has the final say. If you don't like his say, take it up with them through pm. If they outright scammed you it's different, but this is not an outright scam. Just don't join anymore of that managers bounties if you don't like the way they manage. My 2 cents anyways.

This I think should have done by him. If he doesnt get reward for that campaign means his not eligible for the task he done and from there he should have accepted it if ever theres a complain surely you dont wanna publicly rant it out and make things personal all the way.

Well based on the thread on altcointalks it seems theres more to it than just the reward.

[freedomgo]

Not really sure what happened between them and I'm not really interested. But for me it's a bit strange behaviour when you ask question or opinion and when you get responses, you delete it. But it's self-moderated topics, you shouldn't be surprised when such things happens.

It’s expected for posts to get deleted in that thread, especially if you don’t have any relevant business there. If you read through the thread, you can see ;

Have you ever been damaged, lied or hurt in any way as a forum member or a company after dealing with manager Royse?
If that is the case please contact me and send all the information and evidence you have against him.

He/she is just looking for forum members who claim to have been deceived by Royse. If you haven’t been deceived, then you don’t have any business getting involved. This issue seems personal between them, in my opinion. If someone really wanted to create a thread in the reputation section, it should have complete details so we can offer opinions based on facts. If it's a scam accusation, it would be better to make it formal with evidence. But there isn’t much substance here, so it feels more personal, and the claims aren’t solid enough to destroy Royse's reputation.

This is just my personal opinion, and I could be wrong. However, it’s better to keep the conversation formal with proper evidence; otherwise, it just becomes gossip with no end. After all, we’re here to follow the rules and contribute positively to the forum.

[NotATether]

I said in my topic that I dont like wasting time talking about other members, unlike pokerplayer, and I only asked people to contact me if they have been damaged by royse.

In that case it would've made more sense for you to create a locked topic instead of a self-moderated one.

[Poker Player]

In that case it would've made more sense for you to create a locked topic instead of a self-moderated one.

It's just like that. If you only want PMs sent to you, you open the thread, you lock it and if you want you bump it every 24 hours. But you don't open a self moderated thread and delete almost all replies, because if you only want PMs it's also not understandable why you left two replies in your thread.

[worldofcoins]

it's also not understandable why you left two replies in your thread.

Suppose.. Tomorrow I make a thread against someone on the forum a self moderated one, and delete every post that doesn’t suit my agenda except members who have a powerful profile (because they can use their influence against me in at present or in future)

[dragonvslinux]

Deleting posts that you don't like in a self moderated thread is not right, why start the thread in the first place if all you want to hear is what you like. If you start a thread against another user, you should leave it open for others to contribute.

I didn’t say anything about the issue at altcoinstalks [I honest don’t know what happened] but what I know for sure is that the reason he created that thread or he decided to move the thread to this forum was because the mod and admin of the other forum refused to moderate his thread so he could not do anything about it.

Just to point out this is because off topic posts aren't moderated by mods over there, self-moderated topics are possible but only with the user subscribed to specific membership groups. So for bounty managers and official/verified accounts this isn't a problem as self-moderated option comes with the membership, but for "regular" users this is very expensive to put it simply.

So it's not not that notblox1 couldn't do anything about it, it's that they didn't want to pay 1.1 ETH for the privilege for moderate their own topic, was much cheaper to come here 

[Agbe]

I personally do not think that the neutral tag is worth it. I read your post in his self moderated thread, it was very much on topic and doesn't deserve to be deleted. My own post was also deleted by him but I took it in a good fate.
If you are going to post in a self moderated thread, be willing to accept harsh moderation

Harsh moderation from a poster that is not reputed. But good moderation from a reputed poster. I think that is how it could be. If such topic was posted by a newbie, I would not have posted if it is self-moderated. Many of us might not have posted. Also the neutral tag is harmless. Just a warning to let people know that their post could likely be deleted. I wanted not to give the neutral tag but almost all posts are getting deleted. I will remove the neutral tag after a week when everyone would have seen it.

Exactly. If a legendary member and who is well known, well behaved and has good discussion habit create a self moderated thread, then reputable members will also make comments either against and support. Because when you create a thread, it is not expected that everyone will only talk the good side of the starter but also his or her fault. And I don't think it is good to delete comments because the comment doesn't aligned with the Op. And if he does then when will that Op learn and know his fault? Nobody is always right. And when an Op deletes comments from a self moderated thread because of unfavorable comments then that is bad. Op in those threads should only delete out of point comments and comments that doesn't follow the thread discussion and not comments that inline with discussion of the thread and if he does that then the thread became bias and it is bad for the forum.

[Poker Player]

I've just edited the title to one that seems more appropriate if there is to be ongoing discussion.

[LoyceV]

Anyway, that is indeed messed up if notblox1 is deleting posts en masse because of reasons not related to quality or being on-topic or whatever.

I checked my post archive, and it looks like unnecessary censorship.

I don't think it is necessary for drama to be spilling over from another forum into this one

Agreed. Reading the posts, it turns out to be about a review campaign on "altcointalk".

I won't post in the censored topic, but I don't like that he's asking for personal information:

contact me and send all the information and evidence you have against him

Also the neutral tag is harmless. Just a warning to let people know that their post could likely be deleted. I wanted not to give the neutral tag but almost all posts are getting deleted. I will remove the neutral tag after a week when everyone would have seen it.

Everyone knows posts can be deleted from a self-moderated thread. It looks like a grudge now, to leave a (neutral) tag because your post got deleted. This belongs in your diary: "someone on the internet was mean to me".

[Russlenat]

I've just edited the title to one that seems more appropriate if there is to be ongoing discussion.

So this is really happening? I haven’t seen any thread or reply from AB de Royse777 about this, or maybe I just haven’t explored it enough. Hopefully, even if there’s some misunderstanding, we should all stay civil and objective. No need to throw personal stuff or dig up dirt. Just stick to the topic. The community’s here to help if there’s a chance to solve the issue. Personally, I’m just observing since I don’t know the whole story, but between the two, I know AB de Royse777 better since he manages a lot of campaigns, and so far, I haven’t seen any complaints against him- this might be the first, correct me if I’m wrong.

[yahoo62278]

I've just edited the title to one that seems more appropriate if there is to be ongoing discussion.

So this is really happening? I haven’t seen any thread or reply from AB de Royse777 about this, or maybe I just haven’t explored it enough. Hopefully, even if there’s some misunderstanding, we should all stay civil and objective. No need to throw personal stuff or dig up dirt. Just stick to the topic. The community’s here to help if there’s a chance to solve the issue. Personally, I’m just observing since I don’t know the whole story, but between the two, I know AB de Royse777 better since he manages a lot of campaigns, and so far, I haven’t seen any complaints against him- this might be the first, correct me if I’m wrong.

There's replies in the thread on altcoinstalks, but as far as here I wouldn't waste my time if I was Royse. Nothing to be gained from a reply as there really isn't much of a case as far as scam goes.

[crwth]

I have read the thread in the other forum, and there's clearly "reserve the right" regarding payments. If he didn't deem notblox1's review worthy of payment, then it's the manager's right not to pay it.

Notblox1's action of creating a thread with a self-moderation option is definitely a way to silence different POVs from different members. It's highly discouraged, no matter how you look at it.

[Coin_trader]

I have read the thread in the other forum, and there's clearly "reserve the right" regarding payments. If he didn't deem notblox1's review worthy of payment, then it's the manager's right not to pay it.

Notblox1's action of creating a thread with a self-moderation option is definitely a way to silence different POVs from different members. It's highly discouraged, no matter how you look at it.

I’m not taking side on both user but @Notblox1 thread was dedicated for different purpose and not for discussion about his issue against Royse777. There’s nothing to be discussed on that thread and creating this thread is the best solution if people want to chime in on the issue.

@Notblox1, Just lock your thread and bump regularly if you want to make it visible since you are asking communication via PM instead of deleting users post that creates chaos.


There’s no written rule about self-moderation thread because it’s always based on OP discretion on what post to delete or not since he is the one who created it.

[pakhitheboss]

Again, not playing devil's advocate here, but he did mention what he expected from his thread. Everything else can be considered off-topic according to his view. He has every right to delete whatever the hell he wants in his self-moderating thread. Just like anyone else can.

The problem here is that a thread was created on Bitcointalk for an issue on Altcoinstalk. The admin of Altcoinstalk is pretty active on the chat box that appears on the homepage. If he has an issue of not getting paid for his review he should take this issue on Altcoinstalk and inform the admin. I do not understand why he is trying to create a rift here on Bitcointalk.

I do not see any rules that say we can discuss issues about different forums on Bitcointalk. If we keep discussing it here then the next topic will appear in some other forum where a user did not get paid by BM of BTT. I think it is stupidity at its best considering both parties involved here have a decent reputation.

[Russlenat]

I've just edited the title to one that seems more appropriate if there is to be ongoing discussion.

So this is really happening? I haven’t seen any thread or reply from AB de Royse777 about this, or maybe I just haven’t explored it enough. Hopefully, even if there’s some misunderstanding, we should all stay civil and objective. No need to throw personal stuff or dig up dirt. Just stick to the topic. The community’s here to help if there’s a chance to solve the issue. Personally, I’m just observing since I don’t know the whole story, but between the two, I know AB de Royse777 better since he manages a lot of campaigns, and so far, I haven’t seen any complaints against him- this might be the first, correct me if I’m wrong.

There's replies in the thread on altcoinstalks, but as far as here I wouldn't waste my time if I was Royse. Nothing to be gained from a reply as there really isn't much of a case as far as scam goes.

I agree with you. Royse’s reputation could be at stake if he makes rash comments and blows the issue out of proportion. Given his standing as a well-known campaign manager in the forum, potential advertisers and project owners will likely consider his reputation before working with him. This is a minor issue that doesn’t need escalation, and perhaps the thread shouldn’t have been made in the first place. It’s best to let it die down quietly.