Iran and Israel

[Kavelj22]

and Iran wants to protect its influence in the region and considers Israel a direct enemy because Israel threatens that influence

That's what the propaganda wants you to believe.

The problem with Israel is its radical ideology called Zionism. The Zionists believe that anybody who is not a Zionist (a race that you can only be born into from your mother side) is an animal and has to be treated that way. (This is why they murder anybody including children so violently and without remorse).
They also believe that the world population must not exceed 1 billion and they should cleanse the earth from non-Zionists which means murdering 7 out of every 8 human being on the planet and enslave the rest.

What they call "Greater Israel" is eventually a global dominating power that rules the earth.

This is the problem Iran and any other country in the world who knows what Zionism cult stands for has with Israel.
Otherwise Iran as the oldest civilization on earth that has deep rooted cultural and ideological links in half the world has had "influence" for thousands of years and that influence doesn't need protection specially from something as insignificant as Israel that is a foreign and unwanted object injected into the world.

Despite my supportive stance towards the resistance and my rejection of all Zionist practices, I cannot accept that Iran has hands clean. It is impossible to imagine that Iran defends the right and wants good for the people of the region. There is an Iranian expansionist project at the expense of the countries of the region, so we find it supporting any Shiite group and also providing them with weapons and money. Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq, or the Houthi group in Yemen, are all armed factions that obey Iran's orders and represent its arm extending across the entire region. The problem has become more complicated because these armed militias have evolved into parties and their projects have shifted from resistance only to winning power in their countries and they have become a basic element in the political scene and are partially responsible for the internal devastation in their countries.

I believe that Iran has the right to aspire to expand like any other colonial power and to direct its policies to protect its interests, but I absolutely reject the logic that wants to portray it as an angel.

Currently, Iran is the only power in the region that openly opposes Israel and the Arabs must unite with it in resisting the Zionist project. But this should not make us forget the Iranian project to extend Iran's influence over the region.

[Hispo]

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Currently, Iran is the only power in the region that openly opposes Israel and the Arabs must unite with it in resisting the Zionist project. But this should not make us forget the Iranian project to extend Iran's influence over the region.

Right, people forget there is also a regime in Theran and they are not angles when comes to expansionism and funding militias in the middle east, it is something people (specially in the political left of the spectrum) tend to forget. Still, it sounds weird to me the United States abandoned the nuclear deal they had with Iran, so avoid the regime could possibly get nuclear weapons to use against Israel or the United States, as if there is also a component or faction within the Republican party which seeks for further escalation of violence in the region, Obama did good by putting that deal on the table and keeping it, Trump trash it without any reason.

[pooya87]

Israel is a country

Israel is not a country, it is an occupying force that has been carrying out genocide in Palestine for decades. Zionists are also followers of a dangerous cult that thinks their "race" is the superior race and everyone else is "animals" needing to be put down or enslaved.

There is an Iranian expansionist project at the expense of the countries of the region, so we find it supporting any Shiite group and also providing them with weapons and money.

Again that's what the propaganda wants you to believe. Iran is a Shia Muslim country but majority of the people Iran supports are not. The most obvious ones are the Palestinians who are Sunni Muslims, Jews and Christians.

Iran is the supporter of the oppressed regardless of their religion, nationality or race; and that is part of the Islamic Republic of Iran's constitution, and has been part of the Iranian culture and ideology for thousands of years. IRI has been the supporter of the oppressed Africans back in the time of Apartheid in South Africa all the way to the oppressed people in West Asia during the US-backed ISIS terrorism.

This is not a Islam related or Shia related thing either. This has been the Iranian way for thousands of years, even predating Islam itself.
For example nearly 2100 years ago when the Marcus Licinius Crassus was raiding villages and slaughtering unarmed people in places that are Turkey and Syria today, it was the Iranian commander Surena that went to help and crushed the Roman army that was committing genocide. That is 700 years before Islam.
Or when Nebuchadnezzar had enslaved Jews in Babylon, the Persians (Cyrus the Great) liberated them and that was 2600 years ago (1200 years before Islam).
Iranians have been helping the oppressed even at their weakest moments. Like during WW2 when the Allies attacked Iran and stole all the food causing mass starvation that led to death of nearly half the population; the Iranians still opened their borders and accepted refugees of the WW2 conflict with open arms. Specifically the Polish refugees.

That ideology is all over Iranian poetry as well. From 13th century:
بنی آدم اعضایِ یکدیگرند    که در آفرینش ز یک گوهرند
چو عضوی به درد آورد روزگار    دگر عضوها را نماند قرار
تو کز محنتِ دیگران بی‌غمی     نشاید که نامت نهند آدمی

But of course when the enemies who want to continue committing genocide, the dictators who see their dictatorship threatened, the colonizers who see their empire threatened, etc. see the only thing that can stop their atrocities is Iran, they have to make Iranian help look "dirty".
That propaganda can't work forever though. This is why we saw in Operation True Promise 1 and 2, the dictatorships like Saudi get angry and start spreading the same propaganda in their media while the people of Arabia celebrated it as if it were their own victory.

[BlackHatSojib]

Fight between Iran and Israel
I heard it on news that a great fight is currently on between this two countries

Israel Is Not A Country. Israel Is A Terrorist Organization Like ISIS. They Grabbed The Land Of Palestine.

[DeathAngel]

Israel is now retaliating as expected, they have the right to do that but it must stop somewhere. Mindless killing via retaliatory attacks could get out of hand. I hope & pray for peace as soon as possible. Seems there are now heavy attacks in Beirut, 18 were killed a few hours ago.

[Kavelj22]

There is an Iranian expansionist project at the expense of the countries of the region, so we find it supporting any Shiite group and also providing them with weapons and money.

Again that's what the propaganda wants you to believe. Iran is a Shia Muslim country but majority of the people Iran supports are not. The most obvious ones are the Palestinians who are Sunni Muslims, Jews and Christians.

This is also what Iran wants us to believe. I mean, are we supposed to believe that Iran wants to spread peace in the world and allocates budgets for it and prepares plans for it and exposes its people to danger, without having direct interests? Does anyone really believe that? Okay, let's take a similar example. America has been in Afghanistan since 2001. What is it doing? It is said that it supports individual freedoms and human rights are violated in Afghanistan, so its mission is to overthrow the Taliban regime and hand over power to civilians. Is this really the truth? The truth is that America went and colonized Afghanistan under the pretext of fighting terrorism and could not withstand the blows of the Afghan resistance. As soon as America announced the withdrawal of its forces from there, the Taliban quickly returned to power. What do we understand? That any party may justify committing atrocities in the name of human rights, fighting terrorism and resisting Zionism, and this becomes a pretext for interfering in the internal affairs of countries.

Returning to Iran, I respect its position in support of the Palestinian resistance, although I know that it supports it only because it opposes Israel according to the logic of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” but I do not understand why it supports the Hamas militia and does not support other resistance factions. It also supports Hezbollah to confront Israel, but this becomes dangerous when it supports Hezbollah in directing its weapons against the Lebanese and imposing authority using violence. Let us not forget that Hezbollah was involved in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Hariri and obstructed all initiatives to establish a consensus government and prevented Lebanon from even having a head of state. Iran also supports the Syrian regime, although everyone knows that it is an unpatriotic regime that kills Syrians and has displaced millions. Anyone who tries to protest or object will be told that you are against the resistance and will be easily accused of treason. With the exception of almost all the Sunni Hamas movement, Iran supports all the Shiite groups in the region, who are mainly concentrated in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen. Is Iran really that keen to play the role of the dove of peace? Does anyone really believe this? If so, then there are certainly those who believe America's support for Israel under the same pretext.

It is true that there is a resistance movement against the Zionist project in the region and Iran supports the resistance, but in return for what? A rationale must be found away from all the hollow slogans in the name of democracy and freedom. Iran has an expansionist project and wants to preserve its agents and interests, and this is a legitimate right for it like any colonial state like America, Britain and France. Other than this, there do not seem to be any other logical reasons.

As for Iran's position rejecting the policies of apartheid in South Africa, this is a humanitarian position adopted by most countries of the world at the time and cannot be considered absolute support as is the case with its armed militias. I hope that Iran will intervene to resolve the humanitarian and civilizational crisis of the Kurds who are scattered without a state between Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran, or that the disputes surrounding it will be resolved with humanitarian logic such as the Armenian crisis with Turkey or the humanitarian tragedy that the Afghan people are living in. I wonder why Iran does not support freedoms in these countries with weapons and money as it does with its militias.

I repeat, I am with Iranian support for resistance movements against the Zionist colonial scheme, but I warn that Iran also has its expansionist schemes and it is not an angel of peace.

[terrific]

I just watched a clip with a reporter live on a zoom call and then an airstrike happened to be near to him. The explosion was terribly strong and his window glasses broke into pieces.

Israel is now retaliating as expected, they have the right to do that but it must stop somewhere. Mindless killing via retaliatory attacks could get out of hand. I hope & pray for peace as soon as possible. Seems there are now heavy attacks in Beirut, 18 were killed a few hours ago.

I've read on the news that with their retaliation, 26 palestinians were killed. 
Where are the strong countries that should step and end these killings?

[LibertyMask]

I see the world divided between Israel and Iran because they ideology. But that I see more clearly is that both countries are killing innocent people.

[pooya87]

without having direct interests?
let's take a similar example. America
like any colonial state like America, Britain and France.

I think that's the reason why you have a hard time accepting what I said above. You don't know Iran, you don't know the constitution, you don't know what theocracy means, and most importantly your view of Iran comes from sources that are not Iranian (like the Western media) and you are trying to analyze Iran's behavior based on what the Imperialist Western Colonizers have been doing over the past 250 years.

If Iran wanted to act like them, things would have been very different today. For example Iran could have done what Turkey does, accept US promises, abandon all Resistance groups, get all sanctions removed, have money flood into Iran, get nukes (yes US did promise to give Iran nukes in return for abandoning the Resistance), and even annex neighbor countries like Turkey annexing parts of Iraq and Syria killing Kurds to the point that they use the Iranian flag as the protection umbrella that stops the Turkish bombs.

I get that Iran is very weak when it comes to media and elucidation of policies and I may not be well versed to explain it but as long as you are comparing Iran with colonizers and your source is Western propaganda outlets and Arab mouthpieces owned and controlled by the dictators, you will not understand Iran.
Case in point:

Let us not forget that Hezbollah was involved in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Hariri

This is Israeli propaganda, the same Israel that said Hamas beheaded children, the same Israel that drops bombs on refugee tents and hospitals calling them "Hamas stronghold".
The Special Tribunal for Lebanon already concluded that Hezbollah had nothing to do with it 4 years ago. Not to mention that assassination has Israel and Saudi dictatorship written all over it. There is enough evidence to support that as well.

[Glen Hoddle]

I see the world divided between Israel and Iran because they ideology. But that I see more clearly is that both countries are killing innocent people.

If there is a war, only innocent people die more, the country of Israel should be completely erased from the map of the world because they fought a long war with the country of Palestine a few days ago. Now the whole world is in a financial crunch due to a renewed war with Iran.

[cocadalcan]

I see the world divided between Israel and Iran because they ideology. But that I see more clearly is that both countries are killing innocent people.

If there is a war, only innocent people die more, the country of Israel should be completely erased from the map of the world because they fought a long war with the country of Palestine a few days ago. Now the whole world is in a financial crunch due to a renewed war with Iran.

It is not possible to wipe Israel out of the world because they are supported by the superpower USA and NATO countries. Muslim countries are pretending not to see everything and killings are constantly increasing. Muslims are not united and they are full of greed. Iran protested but other Muslim countries remained silent. I think Israel is the most powerful country in the world because the US is trying so hard to save them.

[pooya87]

It is not possible to wipe Israel out of the world because they are supported by the superpower USA and NATO countries. Muslim countries are pretending not to see everything and killings are constantly increasing. Muslims are not united and they are full of greed. Iran protested but other Muslim countries remained silent. I think Israel is the most powerful country in the world because the US is trying so hard to save them.

That is not an accurate statement.
Muslims are actually more united than you'd think. The problem is certain Muslim countries with dictatorships that are installed and backed by the West to rule over the Muslims. It is clear from their constant protests against these dictatorships.
In truth the people are united, the dictators are the problem who are there to suppress that unity to protect the Western interests and of course the terrorist organizations like Israel the West supports.

Many of these dictators are actually Zionists themselves like the dictator of Jordan "king" Abdullah. Otherwise majority of Jordanian Arabs/Muslims think like Maher Al-Jazi, a retired Jordanian Army personnel who entered occupied Palestine about a month ago to eliminate as many Zionist terrorists as he could with his handgun before being martyred himself.

[Ishicryptic]

I see the world divided between Israel and Iran because they ideology. But that I see more clearly is that both countries are killing innocent people.

Thanks for your unbiased stance on this thread about the Israeli and Iran war, people are looking at it from who's side that they're supporting, it's either that isreal should be wiped out from existence or Iran is a tyrant country. The reality on ground is that when wars happens majority of the casualties are innocent civilians that probably doesn't take a stance on the ideology of their countries leaders. Most of these leaders in war countries are protected and are very well fortified in the places that they hide themselves while the innocent civilians pays with their lives for decisions that they are not a part of. I don't support war as a means to settle diferences because of civilian casualties like what is happening in Palestine where israali forces are killing innocent civilians.

[Kavelj22]

without having direct interests?
let's take a similar example. America
like any colonial state like America, Britain and France.

I think that's the reason why you have a hard time accepting what I said above. You don't know Iran, you don't know the constitution, you don't know what theocracy means, and most importantly your view of Iran comes from sources that are not Iranian (like the Western media) and you are trying to analyze Iran's behavior based on what the Imperialist Western Colonizers have been doing over the past 250 years.

If Iran wanted to act like them, things would have been very different today. For example Iran could have done what Turkey does, accept US promises, abandon all Resistance groups, get all sanctions removed, have money flood into Iran, get nukes (yes US did promise to give Iran nukes in return for abandoning the Resistance), and even annex neighbor countries like Turkey annexing parts of Iraq and Syria killing Kurds to the point that they use the Iranian flag as the protection umbrella that stops the Turkish bombs.

I get that Iran is very weak when it comes to media and elucidation of policies and I may not be well versed to explain it but as long as you are comparing Iran with colonizers and your source is Western propaganda outlets and Arab mouthpieces owned and controlled by the dictators, you will not understand Iran.
Case in point:

Let us not forget that Hezbollah was involved in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Hariri

This is Israeli propaganda, the same Israel that said Hamas beheaded children, the same Israel that drops bombs on refugee tents and hospitals calling them "Hamas stronghold".
The Special Tribunal for Lebanon already concluded that Hezbollah had nothing to do with it 4 years ago. Not to mention that assassination has Israel and Saudi dictatorship written all over it. There is enough evidence to support that as well.

I cannot understand why you are convinced that I am influenced by the Western media and that all my sources are questionable, which means that all your sources are 1000% correct and that you possess the truth. It would be easy for me to continue to question your sources and intentions to refute all your ideas, but I prefer to discuss ideas without personalization. I am a son of the region and I know its history well. I have knowledge of the events that have been taking place since the beginning of the last century. I am interested in the history of the region and follow all the major events. Please do not let your unconditional loyalty to your country blind you from seeing the clearest facts, thereby doing injustice to those who do not think like you and making your perspective on things very narrow.

There is a Zionist project currently being worked on, and it is a successful project with a plan that has been making progress over the past seventy years. Because the Arabs are divided, their dispersion will make their land coveted by everyone. Meanwhile, and the ongoing Zionist project, the Persian settlement project has emerged since the establishment of the Islamic state in Iran in 1979, which is a project that has always been historically present. There is a parallel project to the Zionist project currently being worked on, through which we understand the extent of Iran's involvement in the current scene in the Middle East. The Zionist project is tampering with the region and exploiting the state of chaos that it originally established. This project is supported by major countries and can violate international agreements and ignore all accusations even in front of their people. In this pleasant climate, Iran is returning to work on the old Persian dream and establishing the Greater Persian State, thus supporting militias in neighboring countries according to their Shiite affiliation and involved in multiple incidents. This does not require much intelligence because Iran is not a dove of global peace to involve itself in major issues without having a direct interest. It is easy to always accuse the conspiracy theory and this is exactly what Iran wants.

[pooya87]

That is a pointless discussion we are having because while you are trying to find some evil plan behind Iran's actions, the Arab dictators are giving their full support to Israel while silencing their own people who don't like that one bit.

You say Arabs are divided, but they are not divided at all. The most beautiful show of cooperation and synchronicity was showed yesterday on the anniversary of October 7 military operation among Arabs from Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and of course Palestine. These are countries that are not ruled by dictators, specially not by Zionist dictators such as Abdullah of Jordan, al-Sisi of Egypt and of course Salman of Arabia.

Maybe you should spend your energy asking better questions like what happened to the Arab world that they allowed Zionist dictators to take over their countries and start ruling over them?

For example have you ever wondered why there is a direct supply route from Emirate to Arabia to Jordan to Israel to cover part of the Zionists needs after Yemeni Arabs put SO MUCH effort into shutting down the sea on the Zionist murderers?
Or why is the pipeline going from Baku to Turkey to Israel is not yet shut down on the Zionist rapists after all the innocent blood they shed? Why does Erdogan still send shipments of food and other supplies to the Zionists?
These are the questions you should be asking...

[Kavelj22]

That is a pointless discussion we are having because while you are trying to find some evil plan behind Iran's actions, the Arab dictators are giving their full support to Israel while silencing their own people who don't like that one bit.

This debate will remain pointless as long as you believe that I am exonerating one party over the other, as you do. You see that Iran is a dove of peace and that its allies want the best for the region, while I see that Iran is working to implement its project, which requires standing against competing projects such as the Zionist one. Why do you want me to exonerate it? All Arab rulers and governments are traitors and conspirators against their countries and peoples. I do not exclude anyone from them.

This is my response to your comment in the Arabic board, in which I explained a complete point of view based on objective arguments without bias towards any party:

I don't think there is anyone who doesn't believe your words that "Greater Israel" is a settlement project led by the global Zionist movement and that this project seeks to expand at the expense of the countries of the region even if it costs them the extermination of everyone. All the facts confirm this and history proves the expansionist ambitions of the Zionists who are moving forward with their project and achieving good results. This is a fact that we must confront as the peoples of the region, victims of colonial plans for centuries.

But this does not prevent us from noticing other expansionist projects in the same region that are no less dangerous than the Zionist project.

We have the Turkish project which works to revive the glories of the Ottomans and establish a new caliphate as it was before, extending from Morocco in the west to the borders of Afghanistan in the east, which supports political Islam in the countries of the region and specifically feeds fundamentalist tendencies. This project is currently working in harmony with the Zionist project and avoids entering into a clash with it due to its loyalties to the West (a member of NATO and aspires to join the European Union).
We have the Iranian project to revive the glories of the Persian state, which extends over the largest part of the Middle East in what is known as the "Persian Crescent", where the State of Israel is currently a prominent competitor to Iran, after it has ensured that it has military and political arms in all countries of the region under the pretext of "resistance against Zionism".

I do not blame Iran, Turkey, or the Zionists because the countries of the region are submissive and cowards, and it is natural for a force to come and occupy them. I assure you that if these three did not exist, another force would have come to occupy the region. Iran is no less dangerous than Israel in its colonial project, and the peoples of the region know that, but it is treated positively by the peoples because it claims to be the only symbol of resistance.

Imagine that Israel disappears tomorrow and Palestine is liberated. Do you believe that Iran will stop supporting Hezbollah, the Houthis, the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces, and the Assad regime in Syria? Do you think it will continue to support Hamas?

What is happening in the region is a conflict between forces that want to expand at the expense of the region, no matter the cost. Every power raises a slogan to justify its actions, so we find Iran saying that it is resisting the Zionists, so it supports Hezbollah and Hamas on the borders of Palestine, and Turkey saying that it is resisting terrorism on its borders, so it supports opposition factions in eastern and northern Syria to overthrow the regime, and Israel saying that everyone is a terrorist and that it is resisting terrorism as the West does. They are all deceivers and sides of the same coin.

Whoever wants to believe that can confirm it, and whoever wants to continue the state of denial, I regret to inform him that he is very biased in his position and that his affiliation with one power against another has made him not see the whole truth. Of course, the number one victim and the biggest loser are the peoples of the Arab region who suffer from the treachery of their rulers who have turned their countries into an arena of conflict between powers from here and there.

[Shadiq]

I see the world divided between Israel and Iran because they ideology. But that I see more clearly is that both countries are killing innocent people.

If there is a war, only innocent people die more, the country of Israel should be completely erased from the map of the world because they fought a long war with the country of Palestine a few days ago. Now the whole world is in a financial crunch due to a renewed war with Iran.

Israel is being insulted by the majority of countries in the world today. I saw a video a few days ago where when the government of Israel was called to address the UN session, most of the people in the session ignored his speech and were forced to leave the session. They have even become more of a pandemic than Covid-19 to the world. Very soon Israel will disappear from the world.

[Glen Hoddle]

I see the world divided between Israel and Iran because they ideology. But that I see more clearly is that both countries are killing innocent people.

If there is a war, only innocent people die more, the country of Israel should be completely erased from the map of the world because they fought a long war with the country of Palestine a few days ago. Now the whole world is in a financial crunch due to a renewed war with Iran.

It is not possible to wipe Israel out of the world because they are supported by the superpower USA and NATO countries. Muslim countries are pretending not to see everything and killings are constantly increasing. Muslims are not united and they are full of greed. Iran protested but other Muslim countries remained silent. I think Israel is the most powerful country in the world because the US is trying so hard to save them.

The US is usually helping the Israeli military or selling weapons to the country.  These countries in the US are so bad when Muslims are oppressed it is very good for them but here it is usually the common people who suffer.  And now that Iran has counterattacked immediately they counterattacked again, the Israelis should be somewhat destroyed by now.  Because they inflicted great harm on the Philistines at the right time.

[Rabata]

Fight between Iran and Israel
I heard it on news that a great fight is currently on between this two countries

Did the Palestinians make a mistake by sheltering Israel? Today maybe this matter is clear to everyone. This war or conflict would not have occurred if Israel had not tried to increase their land border pressure. They have forgotten about gratitude and are trying to exploit the benefit today which is now creating a big problem for every country in the Middle East. I don't want any war or conflict. Everyone should stay within their own limits. When one crosses the line there can certainly be a different situation. The horrendous destruction that Israel has unleashed on Lebanon should never have happened. Almost everyone can now see where the situation in the Middle East will go if Iran does the same thing they did. World leaders must take action to end this war through peaceful discussion.

[Dimitarus]

Iran is a serious opponent, but Israel is not weak either. I don't know how it will end, but if only not a nuclear war.