Market Manipulation! Is it real?

[Ararbermas]

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity .

[doomloop]

Has any thief just stolen and shouted : "I'm a thief, catch me, catch me" ? Or is there any criminal who kills someone and then admits to being the murderer and publicly announces it to everyone ?  


It is true that we do not have any concrete evidence of market manipulation but that does not mean that the market is not manipulated . Even the stock market with a capitalization of over $100 trillion has been involved in multiple market manipulation scandals , let alone a small market like cryptocurrency .

You got the right point. a market manipulator will never admits about his/her cheating, but it's not rocket science to understand that market is looks manipulated or not, it's very simple calculation, in a project of course a significant amount of tokens holders from team or big investors, so they have power to manipulate in the market if they just go to sell their all tokens, it's called manipulation, it's absolutely possible, don't need to see other evidence.

Peoples those are having good skills and better knowledge about market and it's fundamentals understand all movements and also having good depth about this manipulation so they mostly avoid taking risk while things are never been as they are looking for but mostly newbies are suffered and lost their funds which is sad, but we can't do anything about them with just give them advice to go through into this field with precautious because it's never been easy to stay in crypto world on merit.

Whales are now having good control, and they are doing their tricks which are helping them for increasing their assets and small investors and newbies are losing their hard-earned money just because of these silly tricks which are happening around, but they are not able to understand recently we are having some good movements in few meme coins, but mostly peoples are under trap so they were not able to check and having loses.

[el kaka22]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

It's true that there are some people with a lot of money, and their deep pockets could manipulate the market a bit. This is also true that some media outlets are trying to cooperate with them as well and create news and push it heavily to move it a direction as well.

When you are talking about some crypto news website, a million dollars would be a huge huge money, whereas it's nothing for a whale. They probably pay like 50k a place, and push like lets say bear fear to everyone and people sell, so they buy cheap, and spend another 50k on each place to push bull and price goes up and they sell. Having a lot of money will have some advantages on moving the market, and since we do not have regulations like stock market, manipulation doesn't hurt them that much legally.

[Shishir99]

This can only be done by influential people and have high public trust. I don't care about the intended profit target. but the situation has succeeded in influencing the market.

It's true that it can be done by some influential people with having high public trust. It’s rare that these people will get involved in market manipulation, but it’s not like market manipulation does not happens. Think about how BitcoinMagazine played with the influence they have. Everyone says it’s just a mistake and they mistakenly published that news. While I would like to believe it was intentional. Because they opened a position on rollbit and take the profit right before they delete their post about ETF approval. I know these cases are rare, but it happens. Even though we cannot do anything, I would still blame those market makers.

[FortuneFollower]

This can only be done by influential people and have high public trust. I don't care about the intended profit target. but the situation has succeeded in influencing the market.

It's true that it can be done by some influential people with having high public trust. It’s rare that these people will get involved in market manipulation, but it’s not like market manipulation does not happens. Think about how BitcoinMagazine played with the influence they have. Everyone says it’s just a mistake and they mistakenly published that news. While I would like to believe it was intentional. Because they opened a position on rollbit and take the profit right before they delete their post about ETF approval. I know these cases are rare, but it happens. Even though we cannot do anything, I would still blame those market makers.

We can either blame them or join them, try, at least - Smart money is flowing each second, and it's our opportunity to see the flow and go onto the wave too. However, most of the time, news and actions of theirs would remain unknown to us, thus, we won't be able to utilize the info properly and in time.

[Barikui1]

People have been saying certain stocks have been manipulated for years. Whether its true or not is hard to prove.

Just today people are accusing Coinbase for providing IOUs instead of buying actual BTC to fund the BTC ETFs. Again whether this is true or not is hard to prove. People think that since the flows are positive for BTC it should be at $100K by now but its not, so they think there is some manipulation going on.

Whether the market is small or big, it wont take a big player to manipulate a certain crypto or stock anyway they want. 

Yea, you are very much correct on the point you made, and I also share the same sentiment as you bro, right now, what most investors want to see is the green candle, so they can sell and withdraw profit, but since it's not happening, they will tend to think of conspiracy theory going on, which to me is not true.

Yes it's actually true that their are some big boys that moves the market to the their favor most times, due to how financially capable they are, them pulling out or putting money in the market affect the price  of that asset immediate, but that doesn't falls under market manipulation to me because I believe that those actions by major financial institution are part of the game, so that is why the market moves the way it does, the unpredictable nature.
Though some people might think otherwise, but that's how I sees it.

[Oshosondy]

We can either blame them or join them, try, at least - Smart money is flowing each second, and it's our opportunity to see the flow and go onto the wave too. However, most of the time, news and actions of theirs would remain unknown to us, thus, we won't be able to utilize the info properly and in time.

That is why it is good to go for altcoins that have very high market cap if you want to trade altcoins, while bitcoin still remain the best. I will prefer to only trade bitcoin instead. Altcoins trading is good when the price of the coins have reduced so significantly over a long time period. And I will prefer to hold in such time. Many of the altcoins are easily manipulated and not worth trading frequently with it.

[Cookdata]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I will assumed that you are newbie to knowledge of trading and things around this place. Have you heard of crypto market makers? They are responsible for creation of liquidity and such people have money to make market to be liquid or dried because they have the money to make the market do their ways. If they want the market to go down, they have the power and if they want to pump the price, they also have the power and this is why even the centralized exchanges works with them hand to hand.

Some of the coins you see that are been listed on exchange and get pump, you think it's the traders that buy them and make it go up? No, it's not. When you check the number of people that are buying and selling, they bought most of the time to create a but pressure so the traders and retailers can dump with causing damage to the price. We have many of them out there and doesn't work with exchanges, they operate independently and can make any coin do their ways, manipulate people into buying and sell when they like. That's how this market works.

[Questat]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I don't doubt that it's actually real. With a lot of bitcoin whales this time who are holding significant amount of bitcoin, if they intend to manipulate the market, they can actually do that. But the effect won't be here too long. Eventually, if it dumped, it will recover again and even make a significant price increase if ever. Most particularly for altcoins as they are known to be pump and dump coins. Some couldn't even recover at all.

[AmoreJaz]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I don't doubt that it's actually real. With a lot of bitcoin whales this time who are holding significant amount of bitcoin, if they intend to manipulate the market, they can actually do that. But the effect won't be here too long. Eventually, if it dumped, it will recover again and even make a significant price increase if ever. Most particularly for altcoins as they are known to be pump and dump coins. Some couldn't even recover at all.

As we have observed thru the years, no one can really manipulate the btc market as the money involved is quite huge. This is why, even group of people can't influence the btc market for long-term. We are only left here to speculate and act according to what we have. Financial capability is usually the constraint for most as we have different resources of funds.

[Shishir99]

We can either blame them or join them, try, at least - Smart money is flowing each second, and it's our opportunity to see the flow and go onto the wave too. However, most of the time, news and actions of theirs would remain unknown to us, thus, we won't be able to utilize the info properly and in time.

If we do not get the info in time, there is no way we can join them. You don't really know what is their next action. Especially in the case like BitcoinMagazine, it happened only in a couple of hours and most of people were not aware of such market movement. For me, I guess I wasn't even online when it happened. When I came back online, I saw what happened. Imagine what happened with the people who had a open short position. A lot of traders loss millions of dollars which was liquidated on exchanges while some others made some money. The most beneficial was BitcoinMagazine themself. They made some instant money just in a couple of minutes/hours.

[justdimin]

I will assumed that you are newbie to knowledge of trading and things around this place. Have you heard of crypto market makers? They are responsible for creation of liquidity and such people have money to make market to be liquid or dried because they have the money to make the market do their ways. If they want the market to go down, they have the power and if they want to pump the price, they also have the power and this is why even the centralized exchanges works with them hand to hand.

Some of the coins you see that are been listed on exchange and get pump, you think it's the traders that buy them and make it go up? No, it's not. When you check the number of people that are buying and selling, they bought most of the time to create a but pressure so the traders and retailers can dump with causing damage to the price. We have many of them out there and doesn't work with exchanges, they operate independently and can make any coin do their ways, manipulate people into buying and sell when they like. That's how this market works.

I do not think that they have the "power" because if person A doesn't make the market and leaves, then person B will make the market and take that profit. Since there is a profit to be made from it, we won't see everyone leaving all at the same time unless there is a huge bear market, this is why I think we are not going to see everyone leaving the market alone like that all that easily, it will not be similar at all.

We are going to see one or the other end up making the market and provide liquidity so that they could make some profit. I have seen this even further at DEX, where people who put money to provide liquidity were rushing as son as others left, so they could make that profit. Manipulation exists of course, just not that way, not too much at least.

[Mame89]

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity .

I also think like you. Manipulation in the crypto market is real and often occurs because manipulation in the crypto market is often done to influence the price or behavior of crypto assets as a whole and is usually done by whales or a group of people to gain financial gain in a short time.

One way of market manipulation can be seen from repeated trading activities in an instant. So that the repeated buying and selling of cryptocurrencies will indirectly create the illusion of increasing demand. So that after this simulated demand occurs, it can cause a price increase, and of course the goal is to attract investors and not infrequently many beginners are trapped in this market manipulation. Therefore, we must be observant in studying the market, because the crypto market is not only complicated to learn, but also has many unexpected surprises.

Although the bitcoin that we know no one can control, market dynamics will definitely occur and that is commonplace. That's why investing in bitcoin is very suitable for the long term so that market price manipulation will not affect our decision to hold bitcoin.

[Helena Yu]

Since this thread posted in Trading Discussion, so I will talk about trading.

Manipulation not only happen in the market, but it start from so called "trading strategies".

You know the bull and bear sign? like double top mean bearish, three bullish soldiers mean bullish etc.

When they have share this fake trading strategies, they will try to manipulate the market by become the buyer and seller to make that kind sign.

They will draw the chart like double top, people will think it's bearish because they sold all of their coins, but it's actually fake, they bought all of the coins and then coins price rise really high, it contradicts the "trading strategies".

[fuguebtc]

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Not only did they not admit what they did, they also tried to arrange everything to happen as naturally as possible so that no one would suspect anything .

The nature of the financial market is nothing more than a giant casino where everyone has only one goal, to make a lot of money and become rich, where our greed is pushed to the maximum . So it is hard to believe that they will keep everything transparent and create a fair playing field for everyone. The game is theirs and they will not be so kind as to spend money to create a playing field where they will likely be the losers . So they will use any trick to get our money because they know if we were in their shoes, we would do the same .



https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/elon-musk-tesla-cleared-in-258b-dogecoin-class-action-lawsuit/3317490#

Despite being exonerated by the court, but anyone who has experienced the 2021 bull run will understand how blatantly Elon manipulated the market  .

[jaberwock]

Look, If the government entity gets involved in manipulating the market, that will be a real shame. The size of the ETF market is getting bigger every day and companies like Blackrock can manipulate the market. But if you see the recent case, it wasn't from any of those ETF companies or from the government entity. The manipulation was from the news media which is BitcoinMagazine.

I cannot imagine an online news media to do these manipulations. Luckily, people were able to catch them placing bets on Rollbit. Or else, we would never know it was just a pre-planned thing that they executed. They didn't admit that, but you should understand it.  

But, I think a media is only like a slave (no offense). I mean they just publish the news but the source doesn't originally came from them, rather it was from the people. Some corrupt media can also get bribes to publish a fake news. So we don't know, what if the manipulation was ordered by some ETF companies or government entities? I'm only wondering on what it has to do with them playing on an online casino? And how are they be able to get caught? I think they won't use their real identity to play gambling. Also anyone can set up any names they like. So, it's possible that the name or the account was only owned by someone else.

[CageMabok]

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity .

Traders should also be a little aggressive when market manipulators become very aggressive in manipulating the price of altcoins in the market. And if traders are not able to be aggressive through certain altcoins, then choose altcoins that cannot be manipulated by these manipulators. Because not all coins can be manipulated in the market so we need to find out that in order not to make a mistake in choosing a coin when we want to trade very safely in certain conditions or moments.