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September 28, 2024, 08:11:06 PM
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When this murderer went to withdraw the money from his betting account, the gambling firm asked for more KYC which included the National Identification Number. Out of desperation and ignorance, the criminal uploaded the information.

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Adeleye’s capture came through tracing his SportyBet account, where he had uploaded his National Identification Number.

Kyc should be requested when customers wants to withdraw a big amount of money but do not think that kyc is going to stop scammers or evil doers to stop committing crimes because there are many ways to receive money and the government would not be capable of tracking it. They can request for payment to be made in Bitcoin and then they mix the coin and you would not be capable of tracing the Bitcoin. There are other tools that they can use in the dark web that is not available to us and make their money disappear from being tracked. They can also receive fiats in physical form and that is the type of money that is the hardest to trace. Kyc on casino should not be too demanding because they make the gambler to not be comfortable when all our private information are being needed.

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September 28, 2024, 09:56:11 PM
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KYC is important in fishing out those that are abusing a set down protocol of a gambling platform, some may not be happy about the way of how all this is being run because they wanted to be free of having their information's on a central server, in case of being track or leaking some vital information out in their absence, but this same KYC could be the means of getting one secured from being attacked from criminals as said.
This is also not a panacea, but still a minimum level of protection for a personal account. Often, attackers buy other people's accounts and launder money through them. There are often advertisements for buying and selling accounts, so this area is popular today and this can create problems for the person whose documents were verified. But for an honest player, this is additional protection against hacking or phishing attempts on his account.

Law enforcement agencies are aware of the market KYC has created, and doesn't investigate to apprehend an innocent person. There'll only be complications and inconveniences for the person whose documents was submitted for KYC. But, the real culprit is most likely going to get caught, not the other way round. 

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September 29, 2024, 03:25:30 AM
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Most gamblers don't like submitting KYC because of many reasons. I don't blame them because personal data shouldn't be exposed to avoid invasion of privacy and other negative activities. But I read a story in the news that portrays the importance of KYC.

A girl was kidnapped and later murdered by her friend. The murderer contacted the girl's mother and asked for ransom. He requested that the funds be paid into his online betting account to avoid a trace. The mother paid some money into the account and was hoping that her daughter would be released.

When this murderer went to withdraw the money from his betting account, the gambling firm asked for more KYC which included the National Identification Number. Out of desperation and ignorance, the criminal uploaded the information.

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Adeleye’s capture came through tracing his SportyBet account, where he had uploaded his National Identification Number.

Using the document he submitted, law enforcement agents were able to track him and he was finally arrested. His arrest was made easy because of a KYC request from the gambling platform.

Source: Why I killed 18-year-old female church member – OOU student

Justice is served. That is exactly the kind of thing that KYC was made for to hold folks accountable and also to have a clear representation of identity in order to do your bidding. Such an awful thing to have been done it’s frightening how evil can overtake a man and bring him to that point, it’s also quite odd the mention of this man being the victims “friend”

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September 29, 2024, 02:48:22 PM
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People really tend to do wrong just to cater their gambling addiction and it feels sad to the victims because of those kind of action, and good to know that the casino makes help to them to knows the reason behind in this kind of action.

anyway, I am curious, I always thought that Sportybet needs KYC verification upon registration, do they allow people to create an account on their casino and withdraw without any KYC? I am asking because the murderer thought that he wouldn't be tracked.

I guess the reason is the large amount withdrawn by the suspect and if has an active transaction and then seek for a large amount payment for sure its a suspicious activity to they flag the account. Im wondering how does the casino makes a help to those officials like its a crucial info that even give to the police with a fast action. Here in my country they have a poor investigation that might tooks more than a week or a month.

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September 29, 2024, 03:22:31 PM
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They can request for payment to be made in Bitcoin and then they mix the coin and you would not be capable of tracing the Bitcoin. There are other tools that they can use in the dark web that is not available to us and make their money disappear from being tracked. They can also receive fiats in physical form and that is the type of money that is the hardest to trace. Kyc on casino should not be too demanding because they make the gambler to not be comfortable when all our private information are being needed.
Even they mix the coins, the exchanges can just freeze the mixed coins because they treat mixed coins as high illicit funds.

What are "other tools" if you can say that, it means you know what it's.

Asking to receive fiats in physical form is already a different discussion since we're talk about online casino.


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September 29, 2024, 03:27:00 PM
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A girl was kidnapped and later murdered by her friend. The murderer contacted the girl's mother and asked for ransom. He requested that the funds be paid into his online betting account to avoid a trace. The mother paid some money into the account and was hoping that her daughter would be released.

When this murderer went to withdraw the money from his betting account, the gambling firm asked for more KYC which included the National Identification Number. Out of desperation and ignorance, the criminal uploaded the information.

This is one instances of the benefit of KYC; the perpetrator is a newbie on committing criminal activity and getting away at it, his ignorance and desperation to get the money betray him, Once you deposit a sizeable amount at a casino, it will trigger a KYC to verify if you're going to pass their money laundering test, He is also not reading the Terms of Service based on his action.

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Using the document he submitted, law enforcement agents were able to track him and he was finally arrested. His arrest was made easy because of a KYC request from the gambling platform.
Its good that he is that dumb to upload his KYC after committing a crime; this is easy for the police to track him. When you are addicted to gambling, you are blinded on the right thing to do, and sometimes it leads to committing a crime.

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September 29, 2024, 05:02:22 PM
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Most gamblers don't like submitting KYC because of many reasons. I don't blame them because personal data shouldn't be exposed to avoid invasion of privacy and other negative activities. But I read a story in the news that portrays the importance of KYC.

A girl was kidnapped and later murdered by her friend. The murderer contacted the girl's mother and asked for ransom. He requested that the funds be paid into his online betting account to avoid a trace. The mother paid some money into the account and was hoping that her daughter would be released.

When this murderer went to withdraw the money from his betting account, the gambling firm asked for more KYC which included the National Identification Number. Out of desperation and ignorance, the criminal uploaded the information.

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Adeleye’s capture came through tracing his SportyBet account, where he had uploaded his National Identification Number.

Using the document he submitted, law enforcement agents were able to track him and he was finally arrested. His arrest was made easy because of a KYC request from the gambling platform.

Source: Why I killed 18-year-old female church member – OOU student

Justice is served. That is exactly the kind of thing that KYC was made for to hold folks accountable and also to have a clear representation of identity in order to do your bidding. Such an awful thing to have been done it’s frightening how evil can overtake a man and bring him to that point, it’s also quite odd the mention of this man being the victims “friend”

Its sad you know, that is the more reason we have to check mate our friends to know their real intentions, if they don't have the same goal or mindset as you do, then you have to cut ties with them. I personally  don't  keep much friends, but the little  I have I made sure they are of the same goal as I am, I barely make new friends. However  its a good thing the criminal  was caught and will definitely serve the punishment the deed done. This explains the importance  of kyc which we might have sometimes consider a stress, they are this important and shouldn't be taken for granted.i think its best for all casinos to make kyc a requirement before acces to using their service.

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September 29, 2024, 06:29:47 PM
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there are still those sites or platforms whose not really that asking for some KYC and you could still be able to play but somehow majority of them does have that kind of chance
to ask out some KYC on situational basis neither because of some violation or some big wins.

As for the case study on this topic, he was not forced to use KYC casino and with the crime he committed, all thanks to the work of KYC which made it possible for his identity to be revealed. Imagine that he used a non KYC casino, he might have escaped the crime.

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September 29, 2024, 08:57:56 PM
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KYC is important in fishing out those that are abusing a set down protocol of a gambling platform, some may not be happy about the way of how all this is being run because they wanted to be free of having their information's on a central server, in case of being track or leaking some vital information out in their absence, but this same KYC could be the means of getting one secured from being attacked from criminals as said.
This is also not a panacea, but still a minimum level of protection for a personal account. Often, attackers buy other people's accounts and launder money through them. There are often advertisements for buying and selling accounts, so this area is popular today and this can create problems for the person whose documents were verified. But for an honest player, this is additional protection against hacking or phishing attempts on his account.

Law enforcement agencies are aware of the market KYC has created, and doesn't investigate to apprehend an innocent person. There'll only be complications and inconveniences for the person whose documents was submitted for KYC. But, the real culprit is most likely going to get caught, not the other way round. 
KYC which means Know your customer can be used to trace anyone that is the owner of the document. This is why we need to be wise and know how we are playing bets and what documents are required for during KYC. KYC is an evidence that we are the one that is operating an account especially a casino account or exchange. The KYC document can be used against us especially when we have submitted it in an exchange or casino where the information later get stolen by scammers. This is a good example that we need to be careful on how we drop our information with online casinos especially the ones that are not regulated.

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September 30, 2024, 08:49:47 PM
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In everything in the world, there is an advantage and disadvantage. We thank God that the KYC of the culprit was used against him. But this KYC can also be used to against innocent people and used it to trap them. Like someone said, if the personal details of the gambler is exposed then, fraudsters would used it to do something that is bad and the innocent person would be arrested.
Though in this case we don't have much to say.

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The so murderer was not Smart enough and in anyways, you might really not be on Privatized even when on your private mode.

Indeed the importance of KYC is for the authorities to retain personal records registered in the casinos because ideologically, some persons may want to hire their illegal transactions on the casinos because the government may not be much concerned about its regulations as much as they do in th financial sectors especially on centralization.

Most reputable casinos do demands for the KYCs  also as much as being transparent to the authorities that do not giv chances to illegalities to their websites so then they aligns with the governments to impose their terminologies of tracking victims hidden behind them.











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October 01, 2024, 03:03:14 AM
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In everything in the world, there is an advantage and disadvantage. We thank God that the KYC of the culprit was used against him. But this KYC can also be used to against innocent people and used it to trap them. Like someone said, if the personal details of the gambler is exposed then, fraudsters would used it to do something that is bad and the innocent person would be arrested.
Though in this case we don't have much to say.
This incident is quite a unique incident because in my opinion it is very rare for a crime to occur that was previously unexpected to get a clue from the existence of KYC. Therefore, this KYC is one of the important things that indeed seems to be mandatory, especially with things that involve finances, so that unexpected problems do not occur, besides this incident is one of the positive examples of the existence of KYC. However, I myself do not think that this can be misused, because this should be personal data.
In addition, I think not all casinos will have this feature, and with each belief of course we have the right to fulfill it or not, because for some people who gamble online I think they are reluctant to complete the KYC submitted by the casino until there are people who look for other casinos when they find themselves having to complete KYC.

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This time KYC was useful, because it helped to catch murder. But we cant that now everyone needs to pass KYC or every casino must force to pass it, because of one positive example. KYC is still useless. This about how many times it caused gamblers troubles. If he wasnt that stupid, with fake KYC, he could lead investigation into wrong direction. But how many times will others criminals use casinos next time to withdraw money ? I guess after this example there wont be many.

However  its a good thing the criminal  was caught and will definitely serve the punishment the deed done. This explains the importance  of kyc which we might have sometimes consider a stress, they are this important and shouldn't be taken for granted.i think its best for all casinos to make kyc a requirement before acces to using their service.

Once again, why would casinos make KYC and obligatory requirement? Because if I have a wish to use casino for money laundering, they would help police to catch me? Or for casinos to make users databate of potential killers? Dont you want to be the first one to upload your KYC here, so that in case you want to commit a crime, we would already know where to find you?

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October 01, 2024, 08:37:40 AM
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This incident is quite a unique incident because in my opinion it is very rare for a crime to occur that was previously unexpected to get a clue from the existence of KYC.
The case itself is quite rare, but authorities will trace online transactions and connect them to KYC. That's why criminals hate KYC- because they know it can expose their activities. In this particular case, the criminal’s stupidity made him pay the price. That’s why the KYC we dislike for privacy reasons won’t be something the government will let go, as they need it to enforce anti-money laundering laws, which this kind of incident likely falls under.

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Imagine if he would have uploaded fake or purchased online ID. Then it will be zero help from KYC towards investigation, or someone else would be accused of a murder.
Casinos have their own methods to verify KYC documents. They are not that much foolish that the fake ID would be accepted. An innocent person's ID would again not help as long as the person is able to prove their innocence, in this case would have an alibi.

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From that point of view, uploading KYC becomes useless and dangerous.
Nope, rather it was foolish of the criminal to attempt to put the money on a casino where they had undergone KYC, the casino practically knew everything about him. This is what KYC can help authorities in. Misuse of money in the guise of bitcoin's anonymity.

 
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This incident is quite a unique incident because in my opinion it is very rare for a crime to occur that was previously unexpected to get a clue from the existence of KYC.
The case itself is quite rare, but authorities will trace online transactions and connect them to KYC. That's why criminals hate KYC- because they know it can expose their activities. In this particular case, the criminal’s stupidity made him pay the price. That’s why the KYC we dislike for privacy reasons won’t be something the government will let go, as they need it to enforce anti-money laundering laws, which this kind of incident likely falls under.
If more cases can be solved by using KYC, that will reverse people opinion about KYC. They will see the important thing to do KYC in any website but they must make sure to do KYC in reputable website so they can prevent the scam happens. But we often see and hear that KYC abused by not responsible third parties so that makes us avoids to do KYC in any websites.

In this matters, the criminal's don't think about verifying his account with his real document so that helps authorities track the transaction including where he lived.

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October 01, 2024, 03:13:32 PM
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This incident is quite a unique incident because in my opinion it is very rare for a crime to occur that was previously unexpected to get a clue from the existence of KYC.
The case itself is quite rare, but authorities will trace online transactions and connect them to KYC. That's why criminals hate KYC- because they know it can expose their activities. In this particular case, the criminal’s stupidity made him pay the price. That’s why the KYC we dislike for privacy reasons won’t be something the government will let go, as they need it to enforce anti-money laundering laws, which this kind of incident likely falls under.
Truly, it's a rare one.

I have nothing against KYC which is why I already provided all that is needed just to continue gambling and also get the perks that they are offering when you complete it all. Regarding criminal activities, it's obvious that they will always target non-KYC gambling sites because they can get away after washing their money.
But, I do like to see how those legitimate and reputable non-KYC gambling sites can make solutions to avoid that. I guess one of them is the wagering requirement and I doubt a criminal would gamble his money just to wash it. They want in and out but due to that requirement, they can be prevented.

The government on the other hand is not just doing it for anti-money laundering protection, it's also to monitor their people especially those with money if they are paying their taxes enough with all that money that they have. Grin

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October 01, 2024, 06:34:35 PM
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Now people are very conscious about their personal matters. Don't want to share your personal information anywhere unless it's necessary. The same is the case with gambling sides. There are many gambling sites where gamblers are asked to do KYC verification by providing some personal information but for security reasons many gamblers do not do KYC verification in those casinos and gamble in other casinos where KYC verification is not important. Verification is positive on one side and negative on the other. The negative thing is that if all those gambling sites are not trusted then the person's personal information can be leaked from there. And the positive thing is that even if your account is lost, you can easily recover your account by submitting personal information.

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October 01, 2024, 06:48:03 PM
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Once again, why would casinos make KYC and obligatory requirement? Because if I have a wish to use casino for money laundering, they would help police to catch me? Or for casinos to make users databate of potential killers? Dont you want to be the first one to upload your KYC here, so that in case you want to commit a crime, we would already know where to find you?

You see, those  without  the intention of committing any crime via the internet wouldn't have any problem with KYC. To me, I'll love a regulated  system  where all casinos  requires  KYC so that cases of crime could be easily  traced to the source. Assuming you were in the position of the victim, or let's say a situation of hack, rubbery or scam. And KYC was used to trace the criminal and the person was caught. Its definitely obvious everyone would be happy justice was served using KYC.

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October 01, 2024, 10:03:24 PM
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Now people are very conscious about their personal matters. Don't want to share your personal information anywhere unless it's necessary. The same is the case with gambling sides.
To me, while being conscious where I am sharing my info, I'll still be careful where I share. Just as you have said, I'll only do it when it's necessary and needed.
And most likely, I'll only do it when I am really gambling at that casino. But going with the actual situation of it, chances like this with the cooperation of the government and police, it's really a way to find persons of interest.

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