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September 26, 2024, 09:00:58 AM
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Two days ago, I used their payment system to complete the payment on a website. They said that there was a problem with the currency and seized 749.9
USDT of my currency. Then they said that I needed to do KYC and AML. I did both. The customer service attitude was very unsatisfactory. It has been 2 days and the customer service has not responded at all! I feel that this is a scam, because I also did the real-name authentication KYC on the swap website, which is this website changenow.io This payment system website is simply a garbage website. The customer service attitude and speed are garbage. Don't use this website to buy items.

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September 26, 2024, 09:48:43 AM
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Two days ago, I used their payment system to complete the payment on a website. They said that there was a problem with the currency and seized 749.9
USDT of my currency. Then they said that I needed to do KYC and AML. I did both. The customer service attitude was very unsatisfactory. It has been 2 days and the customer service has not responded at all! I feel that this is a scam, because I also did the real-name authentication KYC on the swap website, which is this website changenow.io This payment system website is simply a garbage website. The customer service attitude and speed are garbage. Don't use this website to buy items.

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Can you upload the screenshot of your chat for us to verify your complaint, Two days, I believe, is not enough to fully verify the documents that you've submitted, I don't want to call your complain premature, but have you asked them how many days it will take to verify the documents you've submitted, Some platforms took a a week or even more to verify the documents.

They did a campaign here, and the payment was smooth between Cryptomus and the participants, and they have an ongoing campaign on many social media sites. not the best time to blow their reputation.
I'm sure they will do another round of campaigning here and will likely address your concern. Well, hopefully

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September 26, 2024, 10:06:58 AM
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Their account here has been banned so contacting @AB de Royse777 might help speed things up a bit.

by reading ---> https://cryptomus.com/aml they have a list of banned countries, hopefully yours isn't one of them but there should be a refund policy if you fail to complete identity verification.

They did a campaign here, and the payment was smooth between Cryptomus and the participants, and they have an ongoing campaign on many social media sites. not the best time to blow their reputation.

They have stopped their signature campaign[1], and plan to scale it back if it returns in the future.


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5505910.msg64556897#msg64556897

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September 26, 2024, 05:17:58 PM
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Op you make only verbal allegation without evidence. At least you should provide some of the evidence of the discussion between your and the support team and the transaction you made with them. As others have said they don't have account here for now because it was banned. But there are ways you can still communicate with them through telegram and x. I frequently see them on Facebook everyday. Cryptomus is advertising their services on Facebook ads so you can always meet them there and lay your complain and I think those places can also make it or give your fast response to you.

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September 26, 2024, 11:58:41 PM
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I am not so familiar with the world of payment processors but OP why did you opt for them instead of other alternatives that may not bombard you with KYC if at all there are any.

Two days, I believe, is not enough to fully verify the documents that you've submitted, I don't want to call your complain premature, but have you asked them how many days it will take to verify the documents you've submitted, Some platforms took a a week or even more to verify the documents.
This is exactly the problem. The customer support just decided to go mute. Without any response, I don't blame OP for reacting that way. Maybe they should work hard on their support and also provide clients with an ETA. It does not cost them anything to do so.

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September 27, 2024, 11:15:44 AM
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I am not so familiar with the world of payment processors but OP why did you opt for them instead of other alternatives that may not bombard you with KYC if at all there are any.

Two days, I believe, is not enough to fully verify the documents that you've submitted, I don't want to call your complain premature, but have you asked them how many days it will take to verify the documents you've submitted, Some platforms took a a week or even more to verify the documents.
This is exactly the problem. The customer support just decided to go mute. Without any response, I don't blame OP for reacting that way. Maybe they should work hard on their support and also provide clients with an ETA. It does not cost them anything to do so.

Cryptomus is a payment processor, so its job is to receive payments on behalf of other entities. Unlike exchanges, they can check the client before any cooperation begins and immediately decide if he is eligible to use their service. Subsequent addition of requests in this case is very suspicious and certainly should not happen. For me, this is a red flag for Cryptomus, although they have made some strange decisions before.

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I see that OP used tron network for his USDT, but they should explain better what was the problem with coins.
If you have screenshots of conversation with support I would suggest posting some of them in public.
It sucks having to perform KYC and even than they freeze your coins  Tongue

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I checked OP already used changenow with a problem yet got resolved after a long time based on its post and now used it again. Although the problem now isnt related to the swap service but with the payment processor, i still wonder why he used again despite of those bad experience.

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I checked OP already used changenow with a problem yet got resolved after a long time based on its post and now used it again. Although the problem now isnt related to the swap service but with the payment processor, i still wonder why he used again despite of those bad experience.
I'm not sure what the connection between Changenow and Cryptomus is in this case, can you clarify?

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I'm not sure what the connection between Changenow and Cryptomus is in this case, can you clarify?
He is referring to the OP's [this] topic, who posted a scam accusation regarding ChangeNow a year ago, but in the end, he was able to refund his funds and closed his topic. The OP mentioned the ChangeNow platform in this topic, perhaps to indicate that he was able to pass his KYC with no issues regarding his documentation. However, I agree with hugeblack that their KYC and AML policies might differ.

Honestly, I am also frustrated with Cryptomus support as I contacted them on Telegram and informed them about this issue for more clarification, but they haven't answered my messages yet after they asked me about a question. I also sent them a reminder on their live chat, and it is clear that they will respond during their business hours (6:00-21:00 UTC). [I will update this post if they respond.]

It has been a week since this topic was posted. Are there any updates regarding this issue? @mexcycle

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I can confirm that cryptomus.com is shady at best and that they think that having a company registration is enough to make them a legitimate business. In reality cryptomus.com is likely a frontend to a business from Russia and the overzealous AML "verifications" are likely in hope that this would help them stay safe from authorities. On top of that they also demonstrate total ignorance of how Bitcoin works.

We discovered cryptomus.com because we had a trade with a Russian exchange, the exchange could not complete the trade and eventually told us that the Bitcoin transaction we made was in fact made to a Bitcoin address in the custody of cryptomus.com  and so that cryptomus.com blocked access to the funds with the claim that the transaction is "ransom". That is, they are basically accusing us of having coerced a victim into making that transaction.

We asked them to provide details to back up that nonsense, ..nothing. We told them to send back the funds to one of the input addresses, (this cancels the argument that we have ransomed someone), .. nothing.

Then they made further ridiculous demands such as: "screenshot of the withdrawal of the platform from which you have sent the funds to us", "through which platform did the funds come to you?", "through which contact person did you communicate with the sender of funds?".

Those morons apparently completely ignore the fact that you can make a transaction without a third party and/or a crappy centralized platform. On top of that, all those "evidences" could easily be forged. So we told them that there is nothing like that, instead we provided them cryptographic evidences that we made this transaction by signing messages with the private keys of the input addresses, an actual real proof. All of that in vain.

We've made a report to Canada's financial monitor, but this is going to take time. The person we were supposed to send money to has faced considerable damages and it was decided that we would proceed to the KYC nonsense to get the funds back faster. Before registering we read their "AML policy" where it is written that they do not do business with entities of several countries, including the Russian Federation and Ukraine, yet they definitely do business with these countries since they force users to register an account and provide their documents. In fact their business seems to mostly rely on Russian citizens and Russian exchanges, nothing surprising since cryptomus.com is very likely a Russian business. Well, the KYC "verification" passed anyway, and still no refund.

EDIT : They have now refunded the transaction after a successful campaign of disclosure. The transaction suddenly magically became refundable.

The cryptomus.com clowns also came up with other claims like: "Our AML partner requests this information". When we asked them to tell who their "partner" is, they could only come up with "enforcement@cryptomus.com". In fact, they won't tell this information because, they are in reality likely using Bitcoin forensic scam services which make them believe they can detect whether a Bitcoin transaction is a fraud or not. The Bitcoin forensic scammers are mostly Russians and have been very good at marketing their service to Russian exchanges; yet this serve as another evidence that cryptomus.com is just a masked Russian business. Other evidences of that include the grammar mistakes that are typical to Russian speakers and that are present all over cryptomus.com' website.

They also seem to buy reviews on sites like TrustPilot. On other websites the reviews are way more mixed, in fact they seem to have removed their ads on websites such as bestchange, where reviews are quite mixed and where many users report similar situations.
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I'm not sure what the connection between Changenow and Cryptomus is in this case, can you clarify?

Searching for the transaction on MetaSleuth, it shows that they paid Cryptomus by making a swap on ChangeNow into Tether on the TRON network. If the sender wallet can easily be identified as being ChangeNow’s hot wallet, there should not be a problem.



mexcycle has not provided an update if this was ever resolved. Cryptomus should have finalized the payment without asking for KYC, so even if they did give him a refund, I would still be very suspicious of this payment processor. If he was in a restricted country, they should have redirected him to a warning screen instead of showing an invoice and taking his money.

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I can confirm that cryptomus.com is shady at best and that they think that having a company registration is enough to make them a legitimate business. In reality cryptomus.com is likely a frontend to a business from Russia and the overzealous AML "verifications" are likely in hope that this would help them stay safe from authorities. On top of that they also demonstrate total ignorance of how Bitcoin works.

Although there are no confirmations, their request for KYC data for the payment processor makes them a bad choice, especially since we are talking about transactions of less than $1000, which are usually not subject to auditing, especially if they are random and infrequent, which is what happens with the payment processor. Their way of dealing with the forum and managing the campaign was bad, and there is no reason to use them, especially when there are better alternatives. @mexcycle Is there any update?

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Their account here has been banned so contacting @AB de Royse777 might help speed things up a bit.

Why was it banned?

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He is referring to the OP's [this] topic, who posted a scam accusation regarding ChangeNow a year ago, but in the end, he was able to refund his funds and closed his topic. The OP mentioned the ChangeNow platform in this topic, perhaps to indicate that he was able to pass his KYC with no issues regarding his documentation. However, I agree with hugeblack that their KYC and AML policies might differ.
I'm still unclear, If the OP passed KYC on Changenow, how does that reflect on Cryptomus? They should be two completely independent processes, and it is enough that the OP sent a somewhat blurry picture during the KYC, which could not be recognized automatically. (I'm not defending anyone, I'm just stating a possible scenario)

If Cryptomus already recognized the illegal money, he should have solved it with the one who sent the coins, not with the OP.

I'm not sure what the connection between Changenow and Cryptomus is in this case, can you clarify?

Searching for the transaction on MetaSleuth, it shows that they paid Cryptomus by making a swap on ChangeNow into Tether on the TRON network. If the sender wallet can easily be identified as being ChangeNow’s hot wallet, there should not be a problem.

Cryptomus is a payment gateway, OP used it to accept payments from third parties. Whether third parties did the swap and where the OP cannot know or have any influence on it.
Finally, Changenow has a very restrictive policy of accepting 'tainted' coins, so, logically, the coins coming from there are certainly safe.


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Although there are no confirmations, their request for KYC data for the payment processor makes them a bad choice, especially since we are talking about transactions of less than $1000, which are usually not subject to auditing, especially if they are random and infrequent, which is what happens with the payment processor.

I couldn't agree more. Their business model relies on the ignorance of people that don't know that third parties aren't required to accept p2p money.

And so, just after we launched our campaign against them, our transaction suddenly became eligible for a refund! 41 days after the initial transaction was made.

Those people understand only one thing, public humiliation. We pushed a case against them to Canada's financial monitor and will follow up on it.
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Their account here has been banned so contacting @AB de Royse777 might help speed things up a bit.

Why was it banned?
Plagiarism, No one was paying attention to the content of the account until complaints started about the signature campaign and then @lovesmayfamilis found out the plagiarism.

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Among the main advantages offered by opening a merchant account to accept payments in cryptocurrency, financial technology specialists say:

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Work in non-stop mode. Unlike the banking system, bitcoinomics works without holidays and weekends;
Minimal commission for transactions. Commission for transactions with bitcoins is fractions of percent, which is several times lower than transaction fee with credit and debit cards;


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I checked OP already used changenow with a problem yet got resolved after a long time based on its post and now used it again. Although the problem now isnt related to the swap service but with the payment processor, i still wonder why he used again despite of those bad experience.
Upon seeing your comment, I had to look over OP’s post and the account seems to have been created for the purpose of these scam accusations given how much it has raised already a don the fact that, all it’s posts is dedicated to this board. I just wonder why you’re always running into problems @OP.

Well, that doesn’t vindicate the accused in this as, running into problems and having it resolved actually means there was a problem and with OP having to continue usage of the site could be as a result of misjudgment, lead by the possibility of getting solutions from support until they stop responding.

Hope those concerned are paying attention to OP and see a way to resolve the issue.

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