[an offer is not actual any more] Initial Financing for Mining Farm Project

[Vod]

How can you prove you have the funds to do so?

The issue of collateral, as well as our ability to return the investment along with the total interest, is also discussed personally. PS. I have never said that there is no collateral. I only stated that it is not for a public declaration.

I'm not talking collateral.  You said you have the funds to pay the full amount you are asking plus interest.   I'm asking how you can prove you have that money, not asking you to provide it.  You said it's coming in July, so you must have paperwork.

Are you ready to withdraw this BS scam and save your reputation?  As a Ukrainian myself, don't be using your status to pity scam.   

[Etranger]

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1. It's shocking how incompetent a person can be in mining and yet still feel confident enough to express their opinions on the matter.

2. You think you saved us $63,000, but that only confirms how little experience you have in the legal sector and how little you know about the legal and technical development of a mining farm project.

3. We are not planning to establish a company in the U.S. and pay taxes there.

4. Most of the land sold in the U.S. exceeds $1,500,000 in price (we have evidence that we will present to those knowledgeable on the matter in a private conversation).

5. Developing infrastructure on bare land will cost even more than $1,000,000. I have this data, and I will present it to an interested party. Meanwhile, you can go and research the issue.

6. Your comments regarding due diligence further confirm that you’ve never dealt with a mining farm. When you want to purchase land anywhere, you need to check the legal status not only of the land but also of the legal structure that owns it. The connection between due diligence and electricity is a mystery. Paying electricity bills is a separate legal procedure related to the electricity provider.

7. I owe you absolutely nothing. Clearly, you've never had any real dealings with a crypto farm. We've seen experts like you before, whose activity is limited to this forum.

8. It is delusional to think that air conditioning is compatible with a machine that operates on hydro cooling (can you read?). You didn't even bother to look up what a heat recapture system is and why it is crucial for a mining farm.

9. If you want to build a crypto farm for $150,000, good luck, and keep me informed on your progress.


Vod, if you are truly a Ukrainian, lets meet in person and discuss the matter privately

But I have lots of doubts of you being a Ukrainian, since you make reference to paperwork.

[Vod]

1. It's shocking how incompetent a person can be in mining and yet still feel confident enough to express their opinions on the matter.
2. Vod, if you are truly a Ukrainian, lets meet in person and discuss the matter privately
3. But I have lots of doubts of you being a Ukrainian, since you make reference to paperwork.

1.  I used to run a mining guild.   Mined three blocks in a week.

2.  I am truly a Ukrainian - my grand parents emigrated to Canada and I have mentioned my heritage on the forum before.

3.  Paperwork is a term used in Canada to mean something trackable, versus just your words.  

[Etranger]

1. It's shocking how incompetent a person can be in mining and yet still feel confident enough to express their opinions on the matter.
2. Vod, if you are truly a Ukrainian, lets meet in person and discuss the matter privately
3. But I have lots of doubts of you being a Ukrainian, since you make reference to paperwork.

1.  I used to run a mining guild.   Mined three blocks in a week.

2.  I am truly a Ukrainian - my grand parents emigrated to Canada and I have mentioned my heritage on the forum before.

3.  Paperwork is a term used in Canada to mean something trackable, versus just your words.  

What does having Ukrainian roots (which are quite distant) have to do with the realities that people here are currently facing?

You live under different conditions, with different values and rules. And I think you have little understanding of how things work in Ukraine now and how they worked before the war.

For us, Ukrainian citizenship is a reality, not a call from our ancestors. And judging by your words, you're not familiar with this reality.

Moreover, belonging to Ukrainians is not related to the subject of the discussion. But the realities in Ukraine are.

[Etranger]

Can you break this down further?  What are the actual fees for setting up a non-resident corporation?

You might want to use a spreadsheet, as there are many more numbers that need further clarification.   We can go line by line.

Opening a company is not just a piece of paper confirming its creation, but also the need to have funds in the company's account. Take some time to read about how GmbH works in Switzerland.

What is the purpose of your question? Are you a potential investor? If not, I will not provide any further information. You're not asking to engage in a constructive conversation or contribute to the implementation of this project; you're just trying to dig into personal matters. I've already shared a lot of information, even though it became clear to me right away that you have no intention of even exploring my proposal. I understand that you don't like it. Why should I go line by line with you if it won't lead to my desired result? Just so you have more reasons to mock me and show your superiority?

P.S. There is no such thing as Pierogi in Ukrainian cuisine. Check you roots, "Ukrainian fellow friend", it seems to me, that Polish and Ukrainian are the same thing to you. Not so distant indeed.




Initial funding is the key matter of this topic. You can check the name of the thread, by the way. All we have been discussing is initial funding. I made a mistake to think that this was already clear after 3 pages of posts. But now I see it wasn't. I clarified all the expense items in the initial investment. I have written where, when, and how much money is allocated. This all concerns the initial investment. Since the main investment is significantly larger, it is also detailed in the screenshot I have already published, and its discussion has already taken place.

[Vod]

Just so you have more reasons to mock me and show your superiority?

That's not my intention - I have treated you the same way you treat others.   I deleted my previous message to post something different, but you snuck in a quote lol,

Opening a company is not just a piece of paper confirming its creation, but also the need to have funds in the company's account.

OK, so make a new line, call it "Initial funding".     This is not a waste of time - you'll need to do this all anyway for each investor.
What will the $15,000 be used for?

[Etranger]

Just so you have more reasons to mock me and show your superiority?

That's not my intention - I have treated you the same way you treat others.   I deleted my previous message to post something different, but you snuck in a quote lol,

Opening a company is not just a piece of paper confirming its creation, but also the need to have funds in the company's account.

OK, so make a new line, call it "Initial funding".     This is not a waste of time - you'll need to do this all anyway for each investor.
What will the $15,000 be used for?

You called me scammer several times having absolutely no justification. I don't treat others like that.

Of course, I quoted you. If you don't want to be responsible for your words, than what is the point of writing them in the first place?

I have already explained, how $15,000 and the rest $135,000 as well will be used. You can scroll up and read it once again. When you find out the way to cut those expenses for creating GmbH in Switzerland, let's continue this conversation.

[DireWolfM14]

incompetent

Oh, so now you think you can get a loan by insulting me?  My competency isn't in question; I'm not the one requesting a small fortune from complete strangers.  As for your competency, it's rather clear to me (since I've started 3 businesses in my life) that you are guilty of that accusation yourself.

Your incompetence has been made even more obvious by snipping my comment in your response, rather than addressing the points I made.

[Etranger]

DireWolfM14 , I see. You find the statement about your personal incompetence in building a crypto farm insulting. Although the point about incompetence specifically in the matter (not every matter) of building a crypto farm implies from your previous statements. A person cannot be competent in everything, that’s just a fact. Therefore, I see no reason for offence.

Moreover, take a look at your previous post, at the manner in which it is written. I wasn’t the one who used the word ‘fuck’, by the way. And irrelevant mention of sexy legs. That’s not insulting, huh?

.  Do you think you'll be the only one at these conferences looking to lure investors?  Or maybe you think your winning personality and sexy legs will cause you to stand out from the other winning personalities and sexy legs?

A small fortune  is understood differently by everyone. And I already mentioned that I’m not asking but offering. Earning 22.5k in a year is not something everyone can do. Especially by doing little to nothing for it.

You can open 33 businesses if you want, but that doesn’t make you knowledgeable in the matter of a crypto farm. Just as I am a stranger to you, you are a stranger to me. So I draw conclusions only from your arguments, not from references to business experience, which I know nothing about.

[Vod]

You called me scammer several times having absolutely no justification.

You tell others to read - try it yourself.   

 

[DireWolfM14]

DireWolfM14 , I see. You find the statement about your personal incompetence in building a crypto farm insulting. Although the point about incompetence specifically in the matter (not every matter) of building a crypto farm implies from your previous statements. A person cannot be competent in everything, that’s just a fact. Therefore, I see no reason for offence.

Moreover, take a look at your previous post, at the manner in which it is written. I wasn’t the one who used the word ‘fuck’, by the way. And irrelevant mention of sexy legs. That’s not insulting, huh?

Believe me when I say you are incapable of offending me.
Further more, I've been mining for over six years.  I'm also really good at math, assessing risk, and starting businesses that succeed...  All you've done in this thread is argue against hard facts with nonsense and numbers you've pulled out thin air.  By doing so, you've made it obvious that you've done zero research and that you are not a risk worth investing in.

A small fortune  is understood differently by everyone. And I already mentioned that I’m not asking but offering. Earning 22.5k in a year is not something everyone can do. Especially by doing little to nothing for it.

A small fortune that you don't have.  How is risking $150k doing little to nothing?  That's an annual salary for many, and a lot more for most.  If you consider whole year (or more) of other people's labor as little to nothing, you are not worthy of such an investment.  But you've already made that obvious by how you intend to squander it.

[Etranger]

Interesting that I see this:

Interesting thing indeed.

Does anyone else see just two lines of my signature?

I believe, everyone else sees this. Specially for you I`ll leave it here, so you won't forget what you have written




What exactly the point of referring to this third line in your signature (which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion topic here), when you clearly didn't have it at the time of writing the post in the screenshot above, and clearly didn't have it even before? Do you really think someone would believe that wasn’t you who posted all this only just because you added some new line to your signature?

[Vod]

Geez bozo, I only mentioned my deleted post so you wouldn't be accused of multiposting.    

You are now going on ignore.  

Edit:  I just deleted another post I re-posted in Meta.   I'm not hiding more info!   

[Etranger]

Geez bozo, I only mentioned my deleted post so you wouldn't be accused of multiposting.     

You are now going on ignore. 

Quite a relief for me. You also edited your signature once again after my last post so that it again has only two lines exactly for the same reason, I guess. So nobody would accuse you of multiposting. You should explain your ambiguous posts better so that people have a clearer understanding of what exactly you can be accused of.

[DrBeer]

While someone is using his favorite technique of realizing his complexes of “throwing shit on the fan” without providing arguments, sorry - that's what reality looks like, I decided to be a bit more pragmatic and constructive. Yesterday I met with the authors of the project, live.... I always have a lot of questions for such complex projects, as I have experience and understanding of processes and legal nuances (I have my own business in the EU as well). Prior to the meeting, at my request, I was provided with the necessary documentation and what is important - the economic component of the project. It was both to check the seriousness of the approach to the project and to get information that could be checked and on the basis of which I could formulate qualitative questions.
Today unfortunately there is no time to describe the meeting, I will try to do it tomorrow, and to convey my vision and, what is important, but not usual for everyone - ARGUMENTS. If very briefly - the documentation and pre-project preparation alone deserves respect, a lot of work has been done and moreover - it is real work !

PS Separately, I will note - I have not often met projects where people “burning with an idea”, objectively and qualitatively assess the risks.

[Vod]

if very briefly - the documentation and pre-project preparation alone deserves respect, a lot of work has been done and moreover - it is real work !

We look forward to reading it!   I wonder why the OP couldn't show us he did more than ten minutes work.  :/

[Etranger]

  I wonder why the OP couldn't show us he did more than ten minutes work.  :/

I would do that, but, you know, you’ll just ignore it.

You are now going on ignore. 

[DrBeer]

if very briefly - the documentation and pre-project preparation alone deserves respect, a lot of work has been done and moreover - it is real work !

We look forward to reading it!   I wonder why the OP couldn't show us he did more than ten minutes work.  :/

The answer to your question can be answered by reading this thread. The reason - you never once asked for information, but actively insulted the author and the project with your FANTASIES .
Or if I am wrong - point out in which post I missed your request to the author - “show your calculations, we will discuss constructively” ?

[Vod]

if very briefly - the documentation and pre-project preparation alone deserves respect, a lot of work has been done and moreover - it is real work !

We look forward to reading it!   I wonder why the OP couldn't show us he did more than ten minutes work.  :/

The answer to your question can be answered by reading this thread. The reason - you never once asked for information, but actively insulted the author and the project with your FANTASIES .
Or if I am wrong - point out in which post I missed your request to the author - “show your calculations, we will discuss constructively” ?

No worries friend - we can move forward. 

Looking forward to all this planning and details!

[DrBeer]

if very briefly - the documentation and pre-project preparation alone deserves respect, a lot of work has been done and moreover - it is real work !

We look forward to reading it!   I wonder why the OP couldn't show us he did more than ten minutes work.  :/

The answer to your question can be answered by reading this thread. The reason - you never once asked for information, but actively insulted the author and the project with your FANTASIES .
Or if I am wrong - point out in which post I missed your request to the author - “show your calculations, we will discuss constructively” ?

No worries friend - we can move forward. 

Looking forward to all this planning and details!

So I am right, and the reason that you were not shown this data is that you did not ask for it, right ? I just want not just to continue the dialog, but also to get answers to simple questions, which for some reason the opponent does not want to answer ! This is not how dialog is conducted, or everyone answers your questions, and you ignore and bypass questions in your direction. Let's be consistent - first you answer my questions, then I will continue my answers to your questions and expectations. Otherwise it's not a dialog but a “game in one gate”, but it will not be like that, it is not an acceptable way of dialog... I understand you are more comfortable and “safer”, but the rules are the same for everyone !