Bitcoin Island

[blacksails]

Fatu Hiva



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatu_Hiva

33 square miles

population < 600

Looks like a nice place.
Are those < 600 friendly or blood thirsty?

The Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl lived there with his wife for a while.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatu_Hiva_(book)

Edit 3: Are we trying to create the Matrix here? I know I have mentioned this before but....

That'd be cool. But I'm thinking more of a "real world" digital nation. I mean, why not? The digital revolution is already all over us!

Yeah, but fuck the UN. Still, since we have some money the Nauru government will totally cooperate. (Nauru doesn't really have any money)

No country will allow unlimited immigration to the point that the natives become only a fraction of the population. Already in Nauru, only around 60% of the population is native.

That is true, and even if we don't give a fuck about the government it's still immoral. Can't we just take some uninhabited island somewhere and build our nation there?

[bryant.coleman]

That is true, and even if we don't give a fuck about the government it's still immoral. Can't we just take some uninhabited island somewhere and build our nation there?

The problem is that all the uninhabited islands are claimed by one country or the another. There are no free islands left.

If you have money, then you can try building an artificial island in the international waters. That'll be quite difficult, as the international waters (outside the EEZ of UN members) are very deep.

[lemfuture]

if it does happen im in. dibs close to seashore!

[grifferz]

If you have money, then you can try building an artificial island in the international waters. That'll be quite difficult, as the international waters (outside the EEZ of UN members) are very deep.

Also once you did, you'd have to defend it.

If you look at the history of somewhere like Singapore, they required massive military support from Israel in order to be safe from just being taken over by a near neighbour like Malaysia.

[Bitcoin Magazine]

we'll need amateur radio, so we can update the Blockchain electronically  

73, KD4YKT

[blacksails]

That is true, and even if we don't give a fuck about the government it's still immoral. Can't we just take some uninhabited island somewhere and build our nation there?

The problem is that all the uninhabited islands are claimed by one country or the another. There are no free islands left.

If you have money, then you can try building an artificial island in the international waters. That'll be quite difficult, as the international waters (outside the EEZ of UN members) are very deep.

That's what i mean; We'll take it and declare it to be an independent nation. Building an island in international waters would be close to impossible even if you're filthy rich.

[spazzdla]

That is true, and even if we don't give a fuck about the government it's still immoral. Can't we just take some uninhabited island somewhere and build our nation there?

The problem is that all the uninhabited islands are claimed by one country or the another. There are no free islands left.

If you have money, then you can try building an artificial island in the international waters. That'll be quite difficult, as the international waters (outside the EEZ of UN members) are very deep.

No matter what such an island would require a standing army there, if we set up a Bitcoin island we would have to bring weapons.. Nukes would probably ensure we could start up such an island just like how they protect NK from annihilation.  I was kind of just throwing the idea around, but it would require a war to get.. the banksters are not fond of letting their slaves go.

[tvbcof]

That is true, and even if we don't give a fuck about the government it's still immoral. Can't we just take some uninhabited island somewhere and build our nation there?

The problem is that all the uninhabited islands are claimed by one country or the another. There are no free islands left.

If you have money, then you can try building an artificial island in the international waters. That'll be quite difficult, as the international waters (outside the EEZ of UN members) are very deep.

That's what i mean; We'll take it and declare it to be an independent nation. Building an island in international waters would be close to impossible even if you're filthy rich.

I suggest 'Condom Reef' for you guys.  It's also in the South Pacific(*):

  http://devolve.com/bizarre/condom.html

(*) In actual fact, Condom Reef is an artifact of someone's demented mind...but then so are most of these Libertarian utopia ideas so it kinda fits.

[Bit_Happy]

You don't really need a physical land, it will be stupid to rebuild it from scratch. You only need a virtual land attached to the physical world, which makes the physical world a sub-set of this virtual land (the physical world have very limited freedom, maximum 4 dimension, but a virtual world can have unlimited dimension)

Any country's financial system on this planet is only a sub-set of bitcoin network

Do you mean like a virtual country? A digital nation? If that is possible it sounds like a really cool idea!

It already exists but not with BTC, instead it's Linden Dollars.
It's called second life.

Personally I tried it once and found it stupid, but it's a good base start.

Second life had so much potential, but it really sucks.
Such a waste....

[S4VV4S]

You don't really need a physical land, it will be stupid to rebuild it from scratch. You only need a virtual land attached to the physical world, which makes the physical world a sub-set of this virtual land (the physical world have very limited freedom, maximum 4 dimension, but a virtual world can have unlimited dimension)

Any country's financial system on this planet is only a sub-set of bitcoin network

Do you mean like a virtual country? A digital nation? If that is possible it sounds like a really cool idea!

It already exists but not with BTC, instead it's Linden Dollars.
It's called second life.

Personally I tried it once and found it stupid, but it's a good base start.

Second life had so much potential, but it really sucks.
Such a waste....

Exactly!
We can make it so much better...

[CoinDiver]

Why declare anything? Buy the land, and do your thing. Declaring anything is only going to draw attention and grant legitimacy to the state. Your best bet in the US would be to create your own religion, and cut yourself off from the rest of the world. You'd have some chance of defending that in court, and having the more import court of public opinion on your side.

[spazzdla]

Why declare anything? Buy the land, and do your thing. Declaring anything is only going to draw attention and grant legitimacy to the state. Your best bet in the US would be to create your own religion, and cut yourself off from the rest of the world. You'd have some chance of defending that in court, and having the more import court of public opinion on your side.

The entire idea is to free ourselves from our debt masters... Well that's why I mentioned it.  The fact my gov can take out unlimited amounts of money against my name means I am a slave.  I don't like being a slave..  people suggest moving.. only 3 countires are not controlled and owned by the central banksters.

[BADecker]

1. You can't eat Bitcoin or digital. You need to have REAL land somewhere. At least an island would allow both land and ocean fish.

2. Nobody started a nation from scratch, without a lot of talk and organizing with other people. A nation of one isn't any fun. A nation of many needs discussion and agreement before it can happen.

3. This means that digital is a good way to start. Ideas can be thrown into a pot. They can be compared with the history of many nations. Many of the past mistakes can be avoided. For example, the Constitutional government of the U.S. should have been set to die in, say, 20 years after it was set in place. The nation should have reverted to The Articles of Confederation.

4. We of the digital age are smart enough to wire the best plan into a Bitcoin-like program that would make it work.

5. If we are good, the world will come to us for our plan, and we won't need to purchase an island, or any other land. The peoples of the world will throw their lands to us for the opportunity to participate.

6. What we have will need to be made extremely secure from a standpoint of being unchangeable, like the blockchain. Otherwise the corrupt politicians of the world will try to use it to enslave the peoples of the world ever more firmly, in unbreakable chains.

7. One of the major questions has to do with "time." The banking system is about to collapse worldwide. The U.S. dollar is about to be removed as the major world currency. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) is about to set its own currency in place, one that would start the whole process over again, and make it another hundred years before the REAL final collapse will come. But the turmoil that will come about with the collapse of the U.S. dollar just might possible take the Internet down. We don't have much time; in fact we have very little time.

8. You have seen my basic idea for extremely limited government, and lots of personal freedom, on page 3 of this thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551676.msg6026390#msg6026390.

[Velkro]

great idea, where is address for donations?
one island is only beggining, we can buy some small country

[CoinDiver]

The entire idea is to free ourselves from our debt masters... Well that's why I mentioned it.  The fact my gov can take out unlimited amounts of money against my name means I am a slave.  I don't like being a slave..

I can declare a stake in your productivity... what makes me any different? Force. They can back it up, and kill you without recourse, if you resist. You're only as much a slave as you are forced to comply. Of course, you are a slave. As am I. My point is, the problem is not the government policies... it's the monopoly on force. I have no problem with communism, socialism, capitalism, or any other 'ism... as long as participation is voluntary.

(Yes, capitalism is wrong if it's forced... not sure whatever that might look like)

[TippingPoint]

Here is a hypothetical sequence:

Identify an existing island with a small population, with adequate rainfall and some potential for self-sustainability, that has been colonized in the past, and whose people may want to be independent.  The island should be very far away from the colonial power.

A videographer visits the island, asks questions and records individuals responding about the takeover of their land by a foreign power and the overthrow of their sovereignty, what they would like to see happen in the future for their children, and asks how long the foreign domination of their land should continue.  A list and photo of every resident of the island is compiled, and an evaluation of each one is started and updated throughout the process.  The videographer hands out t-shirts with an appropriate message and graphic.  Future indigenous spokesmen and potential leaders are identified and cultivated.  Follow-up visits by others are conducted throughout the remaining process.

The video is edited in the most advantageous and appealing way possible, given subtitles, music, etc.  The history of oppression and foreign control of the people is documented, along with their desire to be free.

A web domain is obtained, and a web site is created with stories, photos, and videos.

The video is released as a documentary at the major film festivals.

Support by celebrities is cultivated.

Support by donors is cultivated.  Bitcoin is prominently featured as a method of donation.  A board of trustees administers the funds.

A United Nations declaration is pursued, which supports the right of the indigenous people to self-determination.

A declaration of independence is created, and then signed by the indigenous people, in a sequence of elders and influential persons that is most advantageous.  Copies are posted on the web site at the appropriate time.

A constitution is created, which specifies a new currency (Bitcoin), and offers residency and/or citizenship to individuals who significantly assisted in the independence of the nation, or who support it now.  Bitcoin grants are made to every resident who signed the declaration of independence.

Representation at the United Nations is requested.

Bitcoin is no longer property.  It is an official currency.  It is strongly identified with something righteous and noble.

A fresh start.

Update:  No more hypothetical details here.

[spazzdla]

great idea, where is address for donations?
one island is only beggining, we can buy some small country

I would highly recommend not donating to any idea unless it has +10k PEOPLE behind it.  People are wealth, the most underrated wealth there is.  I'll leave that there but soon.. people will remeber what real wealth is and that paper cannot feed you.  The idea just popped into my head so I just wanted to talk about it, glad to see there are a lot more people that have gone a lot farther with this idea then I have.

[spazzdla]

Here is a hypothetical sequence:

Identify an existing island with a small population, with adequate rainfall and some potential for self-sustainability, that has been colonized in the past, and whose people may want to be independent.  The island should be very far away from the colonial power.

A videographer visits the island, asks questions and records individuals responding about the takeover of their land by a foreign power and the overthrow of their sovereignty, what they would like to see happen in the future for their children, and asks how long the foreign domination of their land should continue.  The videographer hands out t-shirts with an appropriate message and graphic.  Future indigenous spokesmen and potential leaders are identified and cultivated.  Follow-up visits by others are conducted throughout the remaining process.

The video is edited in the most advantageous and appealing way possible, given subtitles, music, etc.  The history of oppression and foreign control of the people is documented, along with their desire to be free.

A web domain is obtained, and a web site is created with stories, photos, and videos.

The video is released as a documentary at the major film festivals.

Support by celebrities is cultivated.

Support by donors is cultivated.  Bitcoin is prominently featured as a method of donation.  A board of trustees administers the funds.

A United Nations declaration is persued, which supports the right of the indigenous people to self-determination.

A declaration of independence is created, and then signed by the indigenous people, in a sequence of elders and influential persons that is most advantageous.  Copies are posted on the web site at the appropriate time.

A constitution is created, which specifies a new currency (Bitcoin), and offers residency and/or citizenship to individuals who assisted in the independence of the nation, or who support it now.  Bitcoin grants are made to every resident who signed the declaration of independence.

Representation at the United Nations is requested.

I like this.

[roslinpl]

great idea, where is address for donations?
one island is only beggining, we can buy some small country

Hehe IF early adopters would be interested about this idea I think this might be possible.

[johnyj]

It's a matter of control:

The real world is trying to put bitcoin into its existing framework to control it, but due to the P2P network, the degree of control is very limited

On the other hand, bitcoin is trying to put real world into its totally new framework and regulate the real world with its purchasing power, once its purchasing power is big enough, then it essentially make the real world a sub-set of its framework

Imagine that if 1 BTC can buy you a whole city, then you are making the rules for those cities as you wish, or at least develop it the way you want it

As a human citizen in a certain country, you should obey the rules of that country, but since bitcoin is almost impossible to regulate, your bitcoin is your key to freedom

So you might not need a bitcoin island, what you need is to support the bitcoin exchange rate and push it towards multi-billion dollars