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November 19, 2024, 08:14:18 PM
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my case status: unresolved

bookmaker BK8 - stole my winnings and half of my deposit

Bookmakers remain an unpunished cell that continues its activities and there is no way to do anything about them. Let's hope that a regulator will soon appear that will outlaw them all and introduce transparent rules that protect players.
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November 19, 2024, 08:14:59 PM
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The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.

Hmm... very close with a point I wanted to raise while I mind-drafted my reply while I tinkered with this annoying new wireless keyboard. I guess now I have an immersive understanding of what the arbitrators on CG and AG experienced.



there is no dilemma here.
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?

I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.

And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.

I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278  comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness  prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?

Oh wow, I guess I learned something new today through direct experience.

I guess this is why when multi-acc being the basis of casino's counter-accusation, they choose not to trouble themselves too much and simply ask the complainant to choose an ADR where they'll provide the evidence. As well as why the ADR, far as I know, most likely than not will made a statement like "we've reviewed the evidence given by the casino and can confirm the sign of multi-account and found that the casino act accordingly" or something like that.

Because when multi-acc being involved, there is not much that need or can be done. It's pretty much closed case once evidence was given to the third eyes. What can the complainant show to dispute proof of connection?

And no, it's not like witch inquisition, I think. On Salem, they just point fingers and throw the woman into the fiery stake with the proof of witchcraft itself is them surviving fire, thus the proof is obtainable and verifiable after the result. This case, the proof are given before.

They study the behavior, verify it with evidence and cross-checks, and only then they "execute" the witches.

So, the difference with inquisition, during inquisition, the witches were tied to the post because they suspect them of practicing witchcraft and if they survive, then that's the proof, this case of yours, they found that you can stir your cup of tea with the flick of your nose, walk through platform 9-3/4, and have a pet dragon, then they decorate you with bonfire.

Weird choice of comparison, by the way.

I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278  comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness  prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?

1. I have not get a written agreement from BK8, and I will not share without their consent. They entrusted me to verify only, not to share. That's their evidence, not mine.
2. Since yahoo is yet to see what I see, then question 2 is still unanswerable. If that's addressed to me, though, why I can accept their comments as truth... well, they do provide me with something solid.

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November 19, 2024, 10:10:51 PM
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OP, if you do not change the way you are approaching this matter you will alienate any member that has sympathy with you or would like to help.

If for one moment we forget what happened in this thread and take a different angle, let us say for example you were adamant you wanted the money because you were scammed and BK8 and they were adamant you were in breach of their terms and conditions therefore no payment was due, what would you do next to try to get your money returned? It is a fair question.

However, for some reason you take his side without even trying to check it...
I am not taking sides period. I could care less about BK8 or you for that matter. I just know that the way you act you will not accept anything except people agreeing with you!!!

Upon further consideration and this users replies, I refuse to be a part of this any longer. This is just a waste of everyone's time. Let him be disappointed by an outside mediator.

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November 20, 2024, 01:35:56 PM
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OP, if you do not change the way you are approaching this matter you will alienate any member that has sympathy with you or would like to help.
It's too late, nobody is gonna to respond to it anymore. We are already in the dead ends, he should finish the case by him self cause in here no body care anymore.



Big applause for @holydarkness & @yahoo62278 who at least gave your free time to respond and check. Even we all know that if the favor is @OP side you both got blame. I must say, better to just leave it the case cause wasting everybody's time. Sport bets case is always make headache.....

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November 20, 2024, 03:16:00 PM
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Hi Everyone

Whatever OP says, our decision is final
this user has violated our rules, we have flagged as a bonus seeker group that hunt for referral bonus + welcome bonus
The evidence I provided to Holly is clearly that they are a bonus seeker group, the user has also confirmed having two accounts, which further strengthens the validity of the evidence.

We will not share to the OP, Yahoo understands very well
The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.

I truly appreciate the objectivity of the members on this forum

Thanks

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November 20, 2024, 04:25:55 PM
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Hi, as evidenced by their reply above me, BK8 was just managed to get back online today and they've replied to my PM asking their permission to share evidence with yahoo [below is a screenshot to prove that I only received the PM today]



Yahoo62278, if you're still interested to get involved in this case and validate their findings as well as help me finalize this case, I can now share you their evidences. Though I --as well as other overseers of this case on this thread, I believe, judging from the point of their posts-- can understand if you're no longer interested on this.



my case status: unresolved

bookmaker BK8 - stole my winnings and half of my deposit

Bookmakers remain an unpunished cell that continues its activities and there is no way to do anything about them. Let's hope that a regulator will soon appear that will outlaw them all and introduce transparent rules that protect players.

Not that simple.

My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.

The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.

I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.

Aaaannddd... here we are.

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November 20, 2024, 04:28:41 PM
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Well, I suppose the OP had selective amnesia when he was explaining about the scam allegation. At almost every step he was citing you were making false allegations against him and the evidence you had was fake however you reply explains a lot. I think we will probably not see the OP again (but he might post one last time trying to claim he was innocent before leaving the forum for good).

If the OP has violated the rules (terms and conditions) that he willingly signed up to abide by, then nobody can really object to necessary action being taken.

Hi Everyone

Whatever OP says, our decision is final
this user has violated our rules, we have flagged as a bonus seeker group that hunt for referral bonus + welcome bonus
The evidence I provided to Holly is clearly that they are a bonus seeker group, the user has also confirmed having two accounts, which further strengthens the validity of the evidence.

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November 21, 2024, 09:13:22 AM
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Hi Everyone

Whatever OP says, our decision is final
this user has violated our rules, we have flagged as a bonus seeker group that hunt for referral bonus + welcome bonus
The evidence I provided to Holly is clearly that they are a bonus seeker group, the user has also confirmed having two accounts, which further strengthens the validity of the evidence.

We will not share to the OP, Yahoo understands very well
The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.

I truly appreciate the objectivity of the members on this forum

Thanks

Do you confirm that my first account has existed for almost two years?
My status was SILVER - $60,000 monthly deposit
For what reason were your proofs not used earlier? Or was it not profitable for you earlier? Or is your proof fake?

My account was blocked immediately after I created a new account in another currency. Which is allowed by the rules and does not violate anything!
https://prnt.sc/curRoz7ssn6T
This is the official response of the bookmaker's representative in the chat. You can check it yourself right now in a couple of minutes.
In general, all my activity did not violate any rules!
The bonuses you are talking about are not given for free! There are conditions for wagering (deposit + bonus) x12.
For another bonus, the conditions are to make a deposit of $30,000. Do you think that your bonus is a gift???
You have already laid down favorable conditions for wagering and, regardless of the result, all this was profitable for you in advance!

What you are saying is nonsense!
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November 21, 2024, 09:35:26 AM
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Hi, as evidenced by their reply above me, BK8 was just managed to get back online today and they've replied to my PM asking their permission to share evidence with yahoo [below is a screenshot to prove that I only received the PM today]

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/11/20/b1rk1.jpeg

Yahoo62278, if you're still interested to get involved in this case and validate their findings as well as help me finalize this case, I can now share you their evidences. Though I --as well as other overseers of this case on this thread, I believe, judging from the point of their posts-- can understand if you're no longer interested on this.



my case status: unresolved

bookmaker BK8 - stole my winnings and half of my deposit

Bookmakers remain an unpunished cell that continues its activities and there is no way to do anything about them. Let's hope that a regulator will soon appear that will outlaw them all and introduce transparent rules that protect players.

Not that simple.

My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.

The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.

I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.

Aaaannddd... here we are.


Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.
You cannot set the case status to "resolved" because you refuse to connect the evidence presented by the bookmaker with my person!
You are trying to behave as correctly as possible, while defending the fictitious subjective evidence of the bookmaker, losing the truth in this dispute! And as you have already made it clear to me, you will not continue to try to find out the truth.

the status of my case is "unresolved"
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Well, this is an interesting part of the story that BK8 did not mention in their post.

In their reply the BK8 forum representative stated your account was "flagged as a bonus seeker group that hunt for referral bonus + welcome bonus" and that was after you were explicitly given authorisation via the live chat that you would not be in violation of any rules if you opened a new account for a different currency. If that is the case then on the basis of that alone it seems you were clearly treated unfairly.

Do you think that was the only reason they cited "flagged as a bonus seeker group that hunt for referral bonus + welcome bonus" or is there more to this story from your side too? Did BK8 have any other reason to make that allegation against you?

Do you confirm that my first account has existed for almost two years?
My status was SILVER - $60,000 monthly deposit
For what reason were your proofs not used earlier? Or was it not profitable for you earlier? Or is your proof fake?

My account was blocked immediately after I created a new account in another currency. Which is allowed by the rules and does not violate anything!
https://prnt.sc/curRoz7ssn6T
This is the official response of the bookmaker's representative in the chat. You can check it yourself right now in a couple of minutes.
In general, all my activity did not violate any rules!
The bonuses you are talking about are not given for free! There are conditions for wagering (deposit + bonus) x12.
For another bonus, the conditions are to make a deposit of $30,000. Do you think that your bonus is a gift???
You have already laid down favorable conditions for wagering and, regardless of the result, all this was profitable for you in advance!

What you are saying is nonsense!


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November 21, 2024, 08:31:23 PM
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Not that simple.

My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.

The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.

I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.

Aaaannddd... here we are.
Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.
You cannot set the case status to "resolved" because you refuse to connect the evidence presented by the bookmaker with my person!
You are trying to behave as correctly as possible, while defending the fictitious subjective evidence of the bookmaker, losing the truth in this dispute! And as you have already made it clear to me, you will not continue to try to find out the truth.

the status of my case is "unresolved"

Ironically, if we have to oblige to your post, you actually contradict yourself.

"Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.", by your order, I am now the judge. You do aware that as a judge, I can make a call, the final call that binds to both parties, right? And by the power you vested in me, I can literally mark this as "resolved" and you are bound by that decision I make.

Just to point out the ironic contradiction of your post.

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November 22, 2024, 07:34:54 AM
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Not that simple.

My list does not list the status of a case simply based on the complainant's [or any individuals, really] request. The status on each and every of those cases are the conclusion of them, obtained through either undisputable evidence or findings, or implied signs [agreed by the overseers by no objection] that points to a clear result.

The conclusion of this case, if you insist it to be closed, is actually "resolved", as the casino gave their findings of clear violation.

I could have marked with as such [resolved] from the day I got their evidences, actually, but refrained from doing it, in concern that people will perceive me as "playing judge". So, instead, I invited you to challenge it by having other DT reviewing the evidence, so it's not just me and my mind who gave the conclusion based on what's provided; a second opinion, if you may.

Aaaannddd... here we are.
Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.
You cannot set the case status to "resolved" because you refuse to connect the evidence presented by the bookmaker with my person!
You are trying to behave as correctly as possible, while defending the fictitious subjective evidence of the bookmaker, losing the truth in this dispute! And as you have already made it clear to me, you will not continue to try to find out the truth.


the status of my case is "unresolved"

Ironically, if we have to oblige to your post, you actually contradict yourself.

"Although you did not want to be a judge, the situation turned out so that you are in this role now.", by your order, I am now the judge. You do aware that as a judge, I can make a call, the final call that binds to both parties, right? And by the power you vested in me, I can literally mark this as "resolved" and you are bound by that decision I make.

Just to point out the ironic contradiction of your post.

that's right.
you can write right now that "you've heard both sides' arguments and are making a final verdict"

I'm just pointing out to you as a victim that if the bookmaker were a fraudster, he could have provided you with any pseudo-evidence. But how would you have been able to catch him then? By refusing to link the evidence to me, you're creating a precedent in which a fraudulent bookmaker becomes invulnerable to justice. And the whole discussion looks more like a circus.

In any case, this case can be used as an example for gambling commissions. That bookmakers are completely immune from justice.
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November 22, 2024, 08:21:37 PM
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Other can post their views but in my own unbiased opinion I can state safely that the chances of any colluding between any member in this thread and any casino is highly unlikely. Sometimes we might not get the the replies nor answers we seek but that does not mean the person/people that had opposing views are involved in a conspiracy.

I would like to see a reply from the BK8 forum representative to address your claim about explicitly being told you could have a second account in a different currency.

And the whole discussion looks more like a circus.

In any case, this case can be used as an example for gambling commissions. That bookmakers are completely immune from justice.

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November 25, 2024, 07:18:09 AM
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Stay away BK8 Scamsite. You wont loss money. See my case you this case.!
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