On the future of the Democrat party

[Hispo]

Well, it is obvious Trump is the clear winner and the United States indeed experienced a red wave, making the Republican party to have control over all the federal government. What do you think this means for the future of the democrat party and the political left in the United States? Do you have some personal forecasts or prediction on the destiny ahead for figures like Nancy Pelosi and alike?

My personal prediction is this will be a wake up call within the ranks of the democrat party and they will have to accommodate more people for them in order to retain and get more voters in future elections, they will have to slightly more to the political right instead going all in for the extreme of the leftism. There are still an important percentage of republicans who will consider to vote democrat in the future, if the party makes the right choices and decided to heard those whose voices ignored to begin with.

Another scenario (though, very unlikely to happen) would be the democrat party to dissolve through these coming 4 years and a new left party rises from the ashes to face republicans, a left which is less occupied with identity politics, culture wars etc, and it is more pragmatic when comes to the price of living and inflation.

What will happen to the Democrat party ?

[paxmao]

Given the support for Trump and the fact that he holds the SCOTUS, the Senate and the Presidency, I should be asking what is the future of the Republican party. You would think they have won the elections but... there is only one winner, the rest are the guys at the back of the bus.

On democrats, Kam will stay for a while, but eventually they will have to re-think themselves. They are going to have at least 4 years for it (unless Trumps dies at 81 or something).

However it is all going to depend on Trump actually being able to deliver what was expected of him. Many people are expecting the fulfilment of the promises. While some of them are so generic that they will just "believe" they were achieved (e.g. getting rid of the Deep State), other promises are nearly impossible and are more difficult to believe by faith.

For example, you can lie about the economy, but people do notice if they had a job like now (4% unemployment) or not. They do notice if inflation has been contained or not (particularly the poor who voted Trump). They can figure out if a national ban of abortion came or did not... Trump has been extended and unlimited check by his followers, but now he is in Government and thing may be different if he only delivers excuses.

An the Dem's future depends exactly on that, apart for the States, which follow their own dynamics.

[BADecker]

I think the Dems should throw a party for a couple of years before they have to get serious about the next election... the Democrat Party.

[suchmoon]

My personal prediction is this will be a wake up call within the ranks of the democrat party and they will have to accommodate more people for them in order to retain and get more voters in future elections, they will have to slightly more to the political right instead going all in for the extreme of the leftism.

Are you implying that Democrats are "all-in extreme leftists" now? Aside from a few AOCs and such, the party is right-of-center at best, probably more to the right than to the center. They started pandering to right-wing populist policies, like pointless tax cuts with no way to pay for them or being "tough" on imaginary crimes, particularly in this election.

If anything they should go back to the left-of-center position they used to occupy for decades and perhaps they can get back some of the voters they managed to piss off recently, but most importantly they could have a chance to gain support of young people who aren't getting shaped by Fox News or CNN propaganda.

But that won't happen. They'll dig up another swamp creature (old white man of course) for the next election, with dreams of getting the elusive "independent" votes. They've had so many of these "wake up calls" in the last decade or so, and they fucked up every one of them. So perhaps they should indeed dissolve into irrelevance.

[theymos]

There's hardly any leadership or plan for either party, really. Unlike most countries, the US has very weak political parties. Each senator, governor, House member, etc. in a party can have very different policies from each other, and they can do almost whatever they want without fear of sanction from the party, unlike backbenchers in most parliaments. So when change happens in a party's platform, it's because some individual politician hits on something that is especially effective, in an entrepreneurial way, and then everyone else starts copying him; it's not because a committee decides on a new strategy for the party. For the same reason, it's unlikely that either party would ever dissolve, since the members can already just do whatever they want or need to do differently.

Quite possibly, Trump's second term will be a disaster, and the next Democratic candidate won't have to be that great to win, like Biden in 2020. But undoubtedly there will be an actually-popular Democratic president at some point in the future, like Bill Clinton or Obama. It's hard to predict what message they'll use, though.

For a very long time, Democrats have relied on their "rainbow coalition", where they promise tons of ultra-targeted handouts meant to appeal to many different minority groups. But now many ethnic/religious minorities are leaning more and more Republican because these groups tend to be more socially conservative.

Maybe Democrats should try really leaning into their popularity among the college-educated, who make up about half of the electorate. Currently ~60% of college-educated voters lean Democrat, and increasing that to 90% might be possible, since spending 4+ years in a university tends to push you toward a very particular mindset. So forget about any policies that are too divisive on either side or too harmful to any particular group, be as inoffensive as possible to everyone, and focus 100% on being smart, stable, competent technocrats who appeal to college-educated people and many businessmen. Similar to the UK's Conservatives under David Cameron, maybe. (This strategy isn't what I'd like to see, BTW, just an idea for something that might be effective.)

[BADecker]

Anybody who doesn't see that the Democrat Party is all about making and financing wars around the world, hasn't really been looking.

Nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes. But it seems that the real Republicans have been in favor of peace... at least with Trump. What happened with the Biden Regime was war that hurt the economy of the US, and strengthened (accidentally?) Russia.

Maybe the Biden people were right. Maybe there is some hidden reason why we should be trying to conquer Russia. But appearances are that it has to do with the greed of the warmongers. And the Dems jumped right in bed with them... millions dead in Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine/Iran.

The Dems went too far this time. Sure, their war making kept America strong... in a few ways. But it also pushed foreign countries to want to seek something other than American 'help'. And things like BRICS have become much stronger than they were before... to say nothing about pushing us to the edge of nuclear war.

Dems need to rethink their whole position and strategy in life. If they don't, the people will do away with them.

[DireWolfM14]

So forget about any policies that are too divisive on either side or too harmful to any particular group, be as inoffensive as possible to everyone, and focus 100% on being smart, stable, competent technocrats who appeal to college-educated people and many businessmen.

Maybe I'm excessively cynical but I don't see this as an accident, but rather a purposeful strategy.  All it took for me to see through the charade was how many of our representatives on both side of the isle voted to send money to Ukraine, promoting yet another war without an endgame.  I now see the left's "reproductive rights" and "gender equality" vs. the right's "gun rights" and "tough on immigration" as nothing but distractions to keep Americans bickering about things that really don't affect our daily lives.  While we're distracted, the Federal Reserve Bank (which is none of those things in it's name) has turned us all into wage slaves, enriching the few and squandering our children's future.

Every American born today is indebted to the Federal Reserve for over $250k.  That's the real tragedy.

[BADecker]

So forget about any policies that are too divisive on either side or too harmful to any particular group, be as inoffensive as possible to everyone, and focus 100% on being smart, stable, competent technocrats who appeal to college-educated people and many businessmen.

Maybe I'm excessively cynical but I don't see this as an accident, but rather a purposeful strategy.  All it took for me to see through the charade was how many of our representatives on both side of the isle voted to send money to Ukraine, promoting yet another war without an endgame.  I now see the left's "reproductive rights" and "gender equality" vs. the right's "gun rights" and "tough on immigration" as nothing but distractions to keep Americans bickering about things that really don't affect our daily lives.  While we're distracted, the Federal Reserve Bank (which is none of those things in it's name) has turned us all into wage slaves, enriching the few and squandering our children's future.

Every American born today is indebted to the Federal Reserve for over $250k.  That's the real tragedy.

That's a Fed bookmaking trick. Because of how it was done, the Fed owes the amount to us. But the thing they will do is get themselves shut down so there is nobody left to pay us. But it will look to us like it was debt relief.

[jvanname]

In a sane society with a sane voting system, the democratic party would fucking die, but we do not live in a sane society with a sane voting system. Most Americans are obese insane stupid good for nothing pieces of shit who deserve to be defecated on by obese hyenas (an obese hyena is a combination of Kamala Harris and Donald J Trump). A sane voting system would be a voting system that would allow third parties to thrive so that we are not stuck with the same two parties for centuries. We have had the same two parties since Abraham Lincoln was in office which was a long time ago. What we need is a ranked choice voting system where we can rank candidates or a voting system in which we may select multiple candidates that we endorse. But people are too fucking stupid, fat, and insane to learn about new ideas, so this will not happen. The only way in which we get a sane voting system is if AI replaces humanity or if nuclear warfare completely destroys the USA (or maybe a pandemic).

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[DireWolfM14]

That's a Fed bookmaking trick. Because of how it was done, the Fed owes the amount to us. But the thing they will do is get themselves shut down so there is nobody left to pay us. But it will look to us like it was debt relief.

Lol, I thought I had the cynic role locked up.  Bravo for taking it from me while I was sleeping.

[BADecker]

That's a Fed bookmaking trick. Because of how it was done, the Fed owes the amount to us. But the thing they will do is get themselves shut down so there is nobody left to pay us. But it will look to us like it was debt relief.

Lol, I thought I had the cynic role locked up.  Bravo for taking it from me while I was sleeping.

Are you really trying to say that you didn't know this... 'sleeping'?

[NotATether]

Every American born today is indebted to the Federal Reserve for over $250k.  That's the real tragedy.

Can you explain this part? Because I've never heard of this before. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with taxes.

[LoyceV]

Every American born today is indebted to the Federal Reserve for over $250k.  That's the real tragedy.

Can you explain this part? Because I've never heard of this before.

I assume it's the government debt divided by the population number. But that's "only" $107k.

[Darkesthourred]

The Democrats have greatly disgraced themselves with the outbreak of the war in Ukraine. To give help so awkwardly, to delay, and so on. And then, not all the help has been allocated. Shame on them, real puppeteers.

[DireWolfM14]

Every American born today is indebted to the Federal Reserve for over $250k.  That's the real tragedy.

Can you explain this part? Because I've never heard of this before.

I assume it's the government debt divided by the population number. But that's "only" $107k.

This is correct, however, simply dividing our current national debt by the population figure doesn't take into account the affect of inflation (an average of 3% annually,) compounding over the course of an average American's life span, nor the rate at which the national debt is likely to grow over that same time span, if nothing changes.

[WinniJJ]

Everything will also exist until the next election. But Biden's current party has shown itself to be insignificant.

[telesnake]

They'll learn nothing, they'll fake seeing the light, and run another insincere Washington swamp creature, Cheney/Romney ticket in 2028 or something like that.

If it were up to me, I'd fire everyone and start over.  Don't focus on moving left or moving right, but move away from the establishment. 

But they're all stuck in an ideological bubble and can't get out.  And what's worse, their bench is incredible shallow and there is really no one left in the party who isn't either 80 years old or too tainted by the establishment to win.

Americans don't buy the establishment/expert BS anymore.  If the elites/experts are so great, then they wouldn't be presiding over a trail of ruin that stretches back 20 years.

[mindrust]

The Demo*rat party should disband. They serve no purpose anymore. If they want to embarrass themselves again, they can come up with another woke candidate and lose the 2028 election too. Otherwise, they may follow the wisdom of RFK jr and join the republicans. That would be better for everybody tbh. If you can’t beat them, join them.

Let’s unite and kick wokenium crap out of the universe.

[paxmao]

There's hardly any leadership or plan for either party, really. Unlike most countries, the US has very weak political parties. Each senator, governor, House member, etc. in a party can have very different policies from each other, and they can do almost whatever they want without fear of sanction from the party, unlike backbenchers in most parliaments. So when change happens in a party's platform, it's because some individual politician hits on something that is especially effective, in an entrepreneurial way, and then everyone else starts copying him; it's not because a committee decides on a new strategy for the party. For the same reason, it's unlikely that either party would ever dissolve, since the members can already just do whatever they want or need to do differently.

Quite possibly, Trump's second term will be a disaster, and the next Democratic candidate won't have to be that great to win, like Biden in 2020. But undoubtedly there will be an actually-popular Democratic president at some point in the future, like Bill Clinton or Obama. It's hard to predict what message they'll use, though.

For a very long time, Democrats have relied on their "rainbow coalition", where they promise tons of ultra-targeted handouts meant to appeal to many different minority groups. But now many ethnic/religious minorities are leaning more and more Republican because these groups tend to be more socially conservative.

Maybe Democrats should try really leaning into their popularity among the college-educated, who make up about half of the electorate. Currently ~60% of college-educated voters lean Democrat, and increasing that to 90% might be possible, since spending 4+ years in a university tends to push you toward a very particular mindset. So forget about any policies that are too divisive on either side or too harmful to any particular group, be as inoffensive as possible to everyone, and focus 100% on being smart, stable, competent technocrats who appeal to college-educated people and many businessmen. Similar to the UK's Conservatives under David Cameron, maybe. (This strategy isn't what I'd like to see, BTW, just an idea for something that might be effective.)

For what I have observed in other countries, when a Government has a strong majority and do not need to balance or compromise, they tend to implement the strongest extreme of their political programmes.

This usually works well in the first stages - there is direction, business know what to expect and some of the changes are probably needed. Some voters get burnt down in the process, but support is so widespread that it is ok.

In the second stage, the "good ideas" have been either done or deemed not possible. People get out of "the high" and start looking at how their lives are still in the same place they were, sometimes worse. More voters realise that their specific problems have not been solved and that many of the promises were not really achievable - at least how they though these were.

From disappointment then comes annoyance from annoyance becomes apathy, as many realise that what they wanted will never be there - no party will ever deliver for them. It only takes around a 10% of people to flip the coin again. Trump "burn" stage will be brutal, disorganised and insulting for both voters and foreign nations. The more radicals will be cheering - but you do not have a 50% of radicals.

Regarding the Democrats, by now they must have figured out that only 10% of the population is gay, only 1 in 10000 are transsexuals and that while them having rights and visibility is perfectly fine, it does not win you over a traditionally socially conservative country to shout all the time about race, gender and everything that makes us different (diverse - and fun in my view).

My guess is that Trump will just hit the brake far too late and will give a chance to Democrats to go back to basics and gain sufficient support. The more radical the Trump agenda, the higher the chance of a reversal.




                                                                                 

[fuguebtc]

The future of the Democratic Party remains the same, they will continue to improve and be better prepared for the next election . We can't just look at the loss of a Democratic candidate in this year's election and think that the Democratic Party is on the brink of collapse .


If we look at the history of the 46 US presidents from 1789 to 2021, the presidency is evenly divided between the two parties and there is no big gap . According to statista, the Republican Party has controlled the White House 19 times while the Democratic Party has controlled the White House 17 times, which shows that the gap between the two parties is quite small and not alarming.

In addition , I think the Democratic Party's failure this time may also be partly subjective when they made a mistake in letting Biden run for election when he was 81 years old and his health was not guaranteed .  The sudden change of candidate made things chaotic and somewhat unexpected for Harris, leaving her unable to prepare everything perfectly .



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