Bitcoin Betting - DeFi Betting Exchange. No KYC, fully decentralized. ETH & BTC.

[Rating Place]

Which red flags are you talking about? All cases have been resolved.

I also see three negative feedbacks on your profile, which suggest you are a scammer and highly risky to deal with. Why will forum members trust you and use your service seeing the feedback on your profile? If the cases were solved, why don't you send private messages to the members who left negative feedback on your profile? I did not go through the entire discussion thread, and it is hard to understand the whole situation just from a single post. It would be best to talk to the people who left you the negative feedback and come clean. Otherwise, no one is going to believe any service that you will promote.  

Fairlay is fine, they have $71m in cold storage. https://fairlay.com/faq/#proof-of-reserves  https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/1EV8YeieYEZ7iksGT9jS7KdcbE12pk4FwZ. Both Fairlay and efialtis are good guys but the wires got crossed somewhere in the match-fixing thread. efialtis saw the same evidence as the Gambling Integrity Unit. The Gambling Integrity Unit said the matches were fixed. Everyone that looked at Fairlay's first posts knew the matches were fixed.

Quick Recap

1. Fairlay posted evidence of match fixing.
2. efialtis was asked to arbitrate. He said, "no".
3. holydarkness was asked to be sole arbitrator and didn't accept.
4. Fairlay followed with posts asking for someone to arbitrate. No one answered.

If you feel qualified to handle the case, you may apply in this thread.

We are still looking for a reputable arbitrator to settle this between us.

@newfish1 wouid you agree  to have askgamblers.com as arbitrator in this case?

Anyway, we will wait for arbitrator's decision and will follow suit.

We were contacted by another party who was working for a Betting Integrity Unit and hopefully can help us find the best arbitrator with the necessary experience

nor any further information shared until these investigations are completed.

5. Fairlay left the thread. A misunderstanding occurred. Posters kept posting about the case for a month after Fairlay left.
6. Sports Integrity expert Francesco Baranca said the games are one hundred percent manipulated.

A football club in the fourth tier of Finnish football has become a tool of organised criminals involved in sports betting, according to Turun Sanomat.

TS interviewed Francesco Baranca, a sports integrity expert, who follows live betting markets during sports events to try and identify manipulation.

He says that one club's performances this season can only be explained by criminal involvement.

"The numbers are so absurd that there's no doubt about the manipulation," said Baranca. "The games are one hundred percent manipulated, you can't explain them any other way."

https://yle.fi/a/74-20102346

[Bitcoin-Betting-com]

Happy to issue Bitcoin Betting invites to respected members of this forum.  Please send us a PM.   

[Rating Place]

Ratings https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0

Bitcoin Betting opens with a rating of B+

Bitcoin Betting is the successor of Fairlay. Fairlay opened as an exchange in 2013 and the Fairlay website was that of an exchange. The interface has been changed to the look of a sportsbook and making offers is no longer into the UI. Because of this, Bitcoin Betting will be in the Sportsbook section rather than exchange.

When rating sportsbooks there are 9 things to be looked at contained on page 1. Bitcoin Betting is at the top of the list in 4 of the 9 categories. The most important category is security. Not only does Fairly have a clean history dating back to 2013, Bitcoin Betting is now fully decentralized and funds are held in smart contracts making this the safest of all sportsbooks.

Being anonymous is another category where Bitcoin Betting leads. Absolutely no information is needed to play at Bitcoin Betting. Your account is connected to a wallet such as Metamask. Withdrawals are instant making this at least tied in the category of payout speed. Another category led by Bitcoin Betting is margins. BB states that they target semi-professional bettors. What defines a professional bettor is getting best odds. Most players are casual players betting into 1.90 odds. It's impossible for these casual players to win long term because of the high margin. BB uses the same odds as Pinnacle and limits can be higher than that of Pinnacle.

Bitcoin Betting is invite only for respected forum members at this time, PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3669612. No time table has been given to when or if it will be open to all. Everything is totally transparent with BB. It has become a DAO and votes are published. All transactions are transparent. The volume of bets can be seen Bitcoin Volume Punch in "240".  

I fully expect Bitcoin Betting to be an A+ book. It's best to wait a little time since the current website hasn't been operational for a long enough time.

Fairlay cold storage https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/1EV8YeieYEZ7iksGT9jS7KdcbE12pk4FwZ

Bitcoin Betting on X: https://x.com/_bitcoinbetting

Github page:  https://github.com/Fairlay/Bitcoin-Betting

[TruBlue]

Anyone in the USA using a VPN to access the site? I spoke with support over there and his email reply was very vague about using VPN. Like it isnt technically against the rules but it also isnt encouraged is the vibe I got His reply was "We are unable to provide more details when it comes to using VPN."
That is all that was said about me accessing with a VPN so you understand what I mean by a vague response. I suppose plausible deniability because the new platform doesnt like American IPs(they are banned immediately from what he said)

I joined Fairlay in 2019 and for the past 5 years I hadn't had this issue. Fairlay was completely fine with my American IP. I might try to register regardless with a VPN just because I really liked Fairlay and dont want to lose ability of betting exchange. Although It would make me feel better if I wasnt the only American having to join the new platform like this.


Thanks for any advice I really would just like assurances that if I join with a VPN my account will be safe. I think it probably would be as there is no KYC. Apparently theres just an automated system that checks for US IPs. So VPN should work fine I'm thinking.

But feel free to PM me also if you'd rather not post reply here I'm just debating my next move

[cryptofrka]

Ratings https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0

Bitcoin Betting opens with a rating of B+

You have both Sportsbet and Stake listed as C-, I'm beginning to be really amused by your objectivity.

[Rating Place]

Ratings https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0

Bitcoin Betting opens with a rating of B+

You have both Sportsbet and Stake listed as C-, I'm beginning to be really amused by your objectivity.

Both Sportsbet and Stake confiscate money from playing in banned jurisdictions or when they accuse someone of multi-accounting, sometimes without solid proof. Stake has mandatory KYC and Sportsbet will KYC. Stake and Sportsbet are for casual players. In one of the posts above, I stated how tough it is to beat a book with bad odds, both have bad odds. Both have withheld money for long periods of time while investigating, Stake being the worst. According to the criteria used, in what way are Stake and Sportsbet better than the books ahead of them? I'm willing to change when supported by facts. I want input in my thread.

Criteria used to rate a book.

1. Security - getting paid is by far most important.

2. Working with the forum. This is a player's thread and books are held responsible for their actions. Questions are asked of books concerning number of employees, time in business, experience, poster problems, etc. If a book is going to ignore a player's thread, they will be severely downgraded. Most books are very easy to work with.

The following cannot be quantified as to importance since being highly detrimental in one category may supersede other criteria used.

3. Poster review - poster review is much more important at bitcointalk than other forums, but other forums are also read. A high review from a new book will weigh less than the review of a book that's been in existence 2+ years.

4. Anonymous - one of the reasons that bitcoin books are used is to stay anonymous. There may be times where it is necessary to question players but it should be a minimum.

5. Margins - If players are going to have a chance to beat a book the margins have to be tight enough to give us that chance. If the margins are larger than -110 (1.91) that's a big blow to a book's rating.

6. Payout speed - If the average is longer than one hour, a book will be downgraded. One hour is sufficient due to possible grading errors. A large book is dealing with a significant amount of money along with a huge player base.

7. Markets - The more betting options, the better.

8. Traffic  - time in business along with amount of players that a book has gives us a large sample size.

9. Currencies used - It's easier on the player if we are allowed to deposit and withdraw from alts.

Fairlay has been number 1 or tied for 1 in categories 1,2,4,5,6 . Stake and Sportsbet can go from best to worst. Best being in traffic.

Sportsbet and Stake in those categories

Most important:
1. There have been many confiscations. Two of the worst.
2. Stake will not work with the forum and Sportsbet refuses to answer my questions with problems. Worst

Weight in no particular order:
3. Poster review is very good for both here at bitcointalk. Best
4. Very bad as far as being anonymous with Stake now mandatory. Stake worst.
5. Both have bad odds. Both worst or close to worst.
6. Payout speed they are tied for number 1.
7. Markets - both are very good with markets offered although not number 1.
8. Traffic - Leaders in traffic.
9. Currencies used - both are good.

[Rating Place]

Anyone in the USA using a VPN to access the site? I spoke with support over there and his email reply was very vague about using VPN. Like it isnt technically against the rules but it also isnt encouraged is the vibe I got His reply was "We are unable to provide more details when it comes to using VPN."
That is all that was said about me accessing with a VPN so you understand what I mean by a vague response. I suppose plausible deniability because the new platform doesnt like American IPs(they are banned immediately from what he said)

I joined Fairlay in 2019 and for the past 5 years I hadn't had this issue. Fairlay was completely fine with my American IP. I might try to register regardless with a VPN just because I really liked Fairlay and dont want to lose ability of betting exchange. Although It would make me feel better if I wasnt the only American having to join the new platform like this.


Thanks for any advice I really would just like assurances that if I join with a VPN my account will be safe. I think it probably would be as there is no KYC. Apparently theres just an automated system that checks for US IPs. So VPN should work fine I'm thinking.

But feel free to PM me also if you'd rather not post reply here I'm just debating my next move

You hit the nail on the head. You can play there with a VPN and be safe but they can't admit it.

[holydarkness]

Happy to issue Bitcoin Betting invites to respected members of this forum.  Please send us a PM.   

[Though your previous and last PM to me through Fairlay already offered me this spot long before it's open, I can understand if you choose to retract the offer for whatever reason and made me ineligible for the pass]

Shoot me an invite if you deemed me as a respected members of the forum that's eligible for the invite. One note though, 99% chances are, I will not use the platform. I am asking for an account since it's an invite only and I figure this is the only time I can get that invite [if I am deemed fit], and I probably will need to roam around your pages and get through what's otherwise restricted behind sign-up wall and accessible only to invited members, when and if [I hope it's an if, not a when] a case raised against you in the future, in order to get a better understanding of what the complainant talked about.

[notblox1]

You have both Sportsbet and Stake listed as C-, I'm beginning to be really amused by your objectivity.

Everyone should know by now to avoid this guy fake rating list or anything posted by him, it is best to ignore him completely.
I would also avoid bitcoin-betting and their fake defi betting that has nothing to do with bitcoin.

[Rating Place]

You have both Sportsbet and Stake listed as C-, I'm beginning to be really amused by your objectivity.

Everyone should know by now to avoid this guy fake rating list or anything posted by him, it is best to ignore him completely.
I would also avoid bitcoin-betting and their fake defi betting that has nothing to do with bitcoin.

My stalker is back again. If you think a rating is wrong, then tell me why.

I’ll just copy/paste feedback I gave you

notblox stalked me for years because he didn't like the rating of the casino that he has a signature. I red tagged him and he retaliated with a red tag. I took mine down. He's done the same to 6 others that tagged him. They called notblox a scammer, troll and flamer

[thebloodmaster]

You have both Sportsbet and Stake listed as C-, I'm beginning to be really amused by your objectivity.

Everyone should know by now to avoid this guy fake rating list or anything posted by him, it is best to ignore him completely.
I would also avoid bitcoin-betting and their fake defi betting that has nothing to do with bitcoin.

its not fake actually idk what u on u literally withdrawal the funds from the smart contract

[notblox1]

its not fake actually idk what u on u literally withdrawal the funds from the smart contract

Show us evidence how we can withdraw Bitcoin mainchain coins using your smart contracts, I really want to see that.
I dont want to use other chains and other coins because you are advertising it as Bitcoin defi betting.

[Rating Place]

its not fake actually idk what u on u literally withdrawal the funds from the smart contract

Show us evidence how we can withdraw Bitcoin mainchain coins using your smart contracts, I really want to see that.
I dont want to use other chains and other coins because you are advertising it as Bitcoin defi betting.

It’s all on the Ethereum chain so it’s wrapped BTC.

Edit- as thebloodmaster posted below, you can use ETH too.

[thebloodmaster]

its not fake actually idk what u on u literally withdrawal the funds from the smart contract

Show us evidence how we can withdraw Bitcoin mainchain coins using your smart contracts, I really want to see that.
I dont want to use other chains and other coins because you are advertising it as Bitcoin defi betting.

i use eth to bet now thats over smart contract same as wbtc and usdc u can still use btc but dont have too

[aprotya]

Are you Pinnaclesports.com? If not, do you hedge bets on Pinnaclesports?

[Saint-loup]

There are no withdrawal or deposit fees on our platform. Only minimal Ethereum network fees for interacting with the smart contract, typically ranging from $1 to $5, depending on network conditions.

May I ask you why you have chosen Ethereum? Instead of a layer2 network or an EVM compatible blockchain with lower fees and faster transactions like most Defi platforms are doing nowadays? The code would have been the same or almost exactly the same. Paying $5 to place a bet is not cheap at all sadly. I think you would attract more people if you were able to offer a true DeFi Betting Exchange with almost no transaction fees.

[Bitcoin-Betting-com]

There are no withdrawal or deposit fees on our platform. Only minimal Ethereum network fees for interacting with the smart contract, typically ranging from $1 to $5, depending on network conditions.

May I ask you why you have chosen Ethereum? Instead of a layer2 network or an EVM compatible blockchain with lower fees and faster transactions like most Defi platforms are doing nowadays? The code would have been the same or almost exactly the same. Paying $5 to place a bet is not cheap at all sadly. I think you would attract more people if you were able to offer a true DeFi Betting Exchange with almost no transaction fees.

Hi, happy to answer.  We do not use Ethereum or any L2 solution for processing bets and markets, but a custom chain with very low fees - about 0.0001 USD  per transaction.  To transfer assets to this chain you must use a bridge. Bridges currently exist for Bitcoin and Ethereum - though only Ethereum is really trustless. Network fees for both are usually below 5 USD per transaction.  It would be very easy to accept assets from other EVM chains like Polygon or Arbitrum.  If there is demand for it, let us know.  

[duanedibley]

Does bitcoin-betting offer an API?

[Web3betting]

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[3kpk3]

Seems like web3betting is just an alt of Bitcoin-Betting-com which is quite odd if that is true since I don't see the need for it. Anyway, I don't get why your team is still depending on the invite only system even after all this time.

Why on earth would you people isolate so many potential customers because of this crap? Weird decisions.