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November 18, 2024, 06:23:50 PM
Last edit: November 18, 2024, 07:01:30 PM by Etranger
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Proving I have personal funds to repay the loan would be logical and necessary if there was a loan at all. Since the loan doesn't exist, I don't have to prove anything to anyone

Got it.   We should not believe anything you or your team writes from now on.   You will only prove it after someone gives an anonymous person irreversible currency.  Tongue

"Hello Mr. Banker, I want a home reno loan for $100,000.
Banker - "Can I see the deed to your house"?
"Why?  You haven't given me any money"

Edit:  Since you won't show this was not a scam, I will remove that condition on the trust.  I don't want to give anyone the impression you are working to prove anything you wrote.  

My god, don’t you have anything better to do then re-writing your own comments under someone’s profile every couple of weeks?

You pulled these numbers out of thin air, I didn't even mention $172,500. If you didn't get it, $22,500 was 15% profit of the investment. How can anyone even try to scam future profit percentages? Makes no logic at all. You should have at least taken the time to understand what the gist of the proposal was. Even the reference you left is in favor of what I said, and not of those numbers that you wrote, because you cannot count.

Your example is absolutely irrelevant to my situation. I wrote that I would have the opportunity to give back the investment and 15% on top of my personal finances in the future. In the future, not now. This means that I do not have these funds at the moment, otherwise I would not be looking for an investment. I hope you can understand at least that.

So, I do not have this amount on hand (unlike the house from your meager example). When I have it on hand, I will not need the help of an investor. I will be able to do what I planned myself. So, if there is no investment now, then what is the point of me demonstrating my finances in a few months, if the need to take an investment from the outside will simply disappear? Just to prove something to you? I can live without your apology and admission of your wrongness. I won't risk revealing that information to someone like you and all the other anonymous users whose intentions I don't know, just so you can remove your slanderous tag. Your comments don't mean that much to me, don't flatter yourself.

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November 18, 2024, 07:34:21 PM
Last edit: November 18, 2024, 07:51:44 PM by Vod
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You pulled these numbers out of thin air, I didn't even mention $172,500. If you didn't get it, $22,500 was 15% profit of the investment. How can anyone even try to scam future profit percentages? Makes no logic at all.

I don't make things up, bozo.  You tried to scam $172,500, which is the $150,000 loan plus the $22,500 in interest that you promised even if everything broke down.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.msg6311902#msg6311902

You receiving the money from personal funds was your collateral.


Your example is absolutely irrelevant to my situation. I wrote that I would have the opportunity to give back the investment and 15% on top of my personal finances in the future. In the future, not now. This means that I do not have these funds at the moment, otherwise I would not be looking for an investment. I hope you can understand at least that.

That is the reason I offered to remove the feedback when you proved your collateral...


Edit: OP - apologies for hijacking your thread with my on topic example.  I'll respond to any comments about their scam on the proper thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5519815.0

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November 19, 2024, 09:46:16 AM
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Edit: OP - apologies for hijacking your thread with my on topic example.  I'll respond to any comments about their scam on the proper thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5519815.0

It's fine, I understand you, people that come here requesting for financial help to create a project need to prove that they are ready to be an entrepreneur.

I just added a draft of how I think people asking for funding should present their proposal. You can take a look and let me know what you think. I hope this helps.
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That is why I have reservations or second thoughts about investing in projects being offered without first presenting projects that the team developed in the past; they have to show their capability and character first.


Exactly, it's equivalent to someone who can't showcase or prove their working skills in a job interview but expects to get hired.

Some people may even talk rudely to potential investors and still expects funding, which is funny
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November 19, 2024, 01:00:51 PM
Last edit: November 20, 2024, 03:53:52 PM by markm
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So, we’ve worked, invested, and partnered with a couple of crypto projects here, and at times, these projects may end up mismanaging funds — leading to everything going to waste.

That is why I have reservations or second thoughts about investing in projects being offered without first presenting projects that the team developed in the past; they have to show their capability and character first.

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In most cases, I noticed that new project owners fail to manage funds properly because it’s investors' money and they didn't work to earn it, therefore they spend it extravagantly.

Lack of responsibility, they can just pull the plug or do an exit scam. If you funded it with your own money, you will save every penny and try to make it work. its better for investors to just invest in a working model than just a blueprint.


The Galactic Milieu from time to time surveys the free open source online multiplayer game landscape for games to test precisely because it does indeed seem to make a lot of sense to invest in working models. Smiley

Basically we find free open source online multiplayer games that actually work, sometimes making a few minor fixes to get them working, and play-test them to figure out whether, and if so how, they can fit into the "metagame" that is the Galactic Milieu.

Some of these core games have been in active development for well over a decade, some maybe even for a plurality of decades.

Thus there is often a large span of time over which the capability and character of the development teams can be surveyed.

Favouring free open source tends to mean the developers have indeed "saved every penny", often over many many years.

In addition, for those that have been actively developed for many many years it is clear from that very fact that they are games with a dedicated following, albeit the followers' culture might in some instances provide some pushback against monetisation.

For several years it had seemed that DeVCoin would or should be the department to handle any funding that might turn out to be necessary or useful to motivate such teams to include into their standard releases any minor (or ultimately potentially even relatively major) modifications or options that might make sewing their game into the overall Milieu easier, simpler, more efficient or whatever.

But as it turned out, DeVCoin has still to this day failed to fulfill that hope or vision.

However, the Galactic Milieu has all along incorporated a funds accumulation component variously known as General (or Galactic) Hosting (or Holding) Corp, GHC.

GHC is a game asset designed to implement a self-funding mechanism by means of which "civilisations" within the game can drive the eventual deployment of, ultimately, immersive 3-D renderings / interfaces of the Galactic Milieu.

Essentially how it operates is that "civilisations" pay monthly hosting fees designed to theoretically suffice for 3-D representations initially along the lines of OpenSimulator, but such representations are not currently actually deployed.

The fact that such deployments are not actually in effect permits the hosting fees paid to accumulate in the GHC Corp, of which all civilisations must own at least one "share" and of which no entities other than civilisations may own any of its "shares".

By accumulating these fees within the Corp, the calculated value per share of the Corp increases, being calculated as the total value of its official "treasury", in which these fees in excess of actual hosting costs accumulate, divided by the number of shares minted (one million).

The "shares" of GHC also serve as "collateral" for the Civilisations, enabling the hosting fees to be billed to a credit-account at start of month, using the standard debt-processing used by other components of the Milieu (such as the Finance Corps), which accrues hourly (in Planet Known as Earth time, not in-game time) compounding interest.



It is of course important, as ever, to constantly remind everyone that these Corps and their so-called "shares" are game assets, which although they necessarily function within the game in much the same way as items of the same name function on the planet known as Earth, and thus within the game probably count as simulations of so called "securities" just as other components of the game are simulations of various other items and economy-components necessary to the simulation of economies and economics, here on the Planet Known As Earth they of course should not in any way be construed as being securities... although potentially perhaps some future time when and if the simulation as "proof of concept" proves successful it might not-inconceivably become feasible to launch an "actuality" corresponding to what is in the game simulated.


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I’m going to keep this short but I want to make a few points and probably hear the thoughts of other
Do you have other things to add which might increase your chances of getting the funding you need? Mention it here.

If there's anything I'm missing, anyone can let me know and I'll add it.

You have summarized many things about getting funded in this post. One of the things that I'm going to add is don't ask your initial funding here. Go to a bank or ask friends first to fund your project, and just ask online for the remaining funds to continue the project.
Investors are more inclined to fund projects that have already started or where there is an initial fund allocated for the project. If you have a bank loan, investors will see the commitment to push the project to completion.

 
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November 21, 2024, 03:32:26 PM
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You have summarized many things about getting funded in this post. One of the things that I'm going to add is don't ask your initial funding here. Go to a bank or ask friends first to fund your project, and just ask online for the remaining funds to continue the project.
Investors are more inclined to fund projects that have already started or where there is an initial fund allocated for the project. If you have a bank loan, investors will see the commitment to push the project to completion.


Exactly, you made a point. It's important for anyone asking for funding to have tried acquiring a loan from a bank before looking for investors. This will serve as a commitment to push the project forward.
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Exactly, you made a point. It's important for anyone asking for funding to have tried acquiring a loan from a bank before looking for investors. This will serve as a commitment to push the project forward.

They all can claim they have gone to a bank, but it's just part of the lie.  I wouldn't place too much emphasis on this - how do you prove it?

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They all can claim they have gone to a bank, but it's just part of the lie.  I wouldn't place too much emphasis on this - how do you prove it?

That’s why documents indicating that and how they have utilize the money so far in their project will be useful in proving the claim. I think evidence matters in this process because once provided, it’s left for investors to verify these document before throwing their money around.
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The Galactic Milieu from time to time surveys the free open source online multiplayer game landscape for games to test precisely because it does indeed seem to make a lot of sense to invest in working models. Smiley

Basically we find free open source online multiplayer games that actually work, sometimes making a few minor fixes to get them working, and play-test them to figure out whether, and if so how, they can fit into the "metagame" that is the Galactic Milieu.

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I don't know what you are trying to do. Is this supposed to be a funding proposal? If yes, I think you need to create a thread and present it properly.
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The Galactic Milieu from time to time surveys the free open source online multiplayer game landscape for games to test precisely because it does indeed seem to make a lot of sense to invest in working models. Smiley

Basically we find free open source online multiplayer games that actually work, sometimes making a few minor fixes to get them working, and play-test them to figure out whether, and if so how, they can fit into the "metagame" that is the Galactic Milieu.

-MarkM-



I don't know what you are trying to do. Is this supposed to be a funding proposal? If yes, I think you need to create a thread and present it properly.


For a standard type of mainstream game that would likely be the normal way to go.

However the Galactic Milieu is an alternate reality game, thus a "rabbit hole" approach, in which potential players or even, as is sometimes the case, players who are not aware of actually being players due to not being aware of the fact that the planet they are on is actually part of such a game, can "stumble" upon so called "rabbit holes into the game" in possibly unexpected places and contexts. Smiley

Another factor is that simple direct outside "investment" is not necessarily the best way to go, compared to involving players who engage and participate in the game's "self-funding" mechanisms. It would probably be much better for in-game characters, Corps, Civilisations and so on (in general, entities) to "invest" within the game than to expose the game to potentially whole vistas of "jurisdictional" complexities presented by the myriads of "jurisdictions" present on the planet known as Earth, staying as much as possible within the in-game context and jurisdictions...


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So, since a lot of people often make mistakes when trying to request financial assistance from investors here. I’ve taken some time to draft a proposal before which will help them explain what their business is all about and why someone should invest in it.

These are all good points. If they cannot properly do what you posted here, then they should not proceed asking for funding. We have the Howey test for investing, so we should also have a test for funding a project. When it comes online, its quite intricate because we never know what's true and what's fake.
Its better to ask these people to do a video presentation because we will know based on how they present it through video presentation if they are true and legit because they can perfect their presentation if they do it in writing



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December 01, 2024, 01:12:21 AM
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they can perfect their presentation if they do it in writing

Not really.   They can write a perfect summation, but they always contradict themselves when questioned.   Scammers are not bright.

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December 07, 2024, 02:07:45 PM
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they can perfect their presentation if they do it in writing

Not really.   They can write a perfect summation, but they always contradict themselves when questioned.   Scammers are not bright.


Yes, you'll see someone who's asking for money acting rudely towards the supposed investors. To me, that's a huge red flag.

But I guess that some people like to throw their money around because in most cases those investors end up investing and crying around later.
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December 07, 2024, 02:09:27 PM
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Its better to ask these people to do a video presentation because we will know based on how they present it through video presentation if they are true and legit because they can perfect their presentation if they do it in writing

Yes, they need to put an effort into proving the credibility of their project and why they need the money.
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