Unreasonable ban of Snork1979 account

[Snork1979_]

You have a point that the red tags on your account aren't really justified.

Thank you for your objective assessment of the situation.
As I have found, few people here are capable of that.
As I see it, most participants think that it is "normal" to put red tags for political reasons.

When you are unbanned, try not to troll so much so it doesn't happen again. Good luck.

Yes, after 6 years on our forum, I finally understood why many participants create several accounts )
Fortunately, there is very weak protection against creating multiple accounts, as I have already seen in the last two weeks. There is not even verification and confirmation of e-mail or anything else. And therefore, creating a new account takes no more than 2 minutes.

In this case the red tags have a political origin and in principle it might seem that they are not justified but do you think that any of the three who left him a red tag would make any kind of economic deal with the OP?

Yes, icopress made a bet with me.
He lost to me then and paid the money.
After which he gave me a red tag.

[nutildah]

In this case the red tags have a political origin and in principle it might seem that they are not justified but do you think that any of the three who left him a red tag would make any kind of economic deal with the OP? This is a case of not trusting someone because of how they behave on the forum, even if you have not had any economic dealings with them.

It shouldn't have to do with whether or not the people who tagged him would make a deal with him. There's plenty of people I wouldn't deal with and I wouldn't leave them a red tag for it. It depends on whether or not behavior exhibited suggests they are "high risk." I suppose its subjective but based on what is written in the tags, they should all be neutral instead of red. It just happens that the war is a very contentious subject and sometimes people let their emotions get the best of them.

[NotATether]

You have a point that the red tags on your account aren't really justified.

I don't see it that way. A red tag means that the person who leaves it believes that dealing with the one in the profile is high risk. In this case the red tags have a political origin and in principle it might seem that they are not justified but do you think that any of the three who left him a red tag would make any kind of economic deal with the OP? This is a case of not trusting someone because of how they behave on the forum, even if you have not had any economic dealings with them.

The way I see it, trust is only supposed to be given for trades. For P2P marketplace purposes.

Most of the negative trust nowadays is symbolic but let's be honest here, do you think anyone would do a trade with people like OP? Or even whether the OP himself would do such a trade? Most people who register here aren't looking to buy or sell.

[mindrust]

Write a letter to theymos. I am sure he will fix this asap. Otherwise nothing much you can do other than complaining of course. Sadly many parts of the internet are infected with people who carry the woke mind virus. Especially reddit. This forum is partly infected too but the global part is still (partly at least) fine imo. You might wanna leave your local board completely and express your opinions in global if Theymos doesn’t do anything about it. Remember: the Demo*rats are all for free speech as long as it benefits them. These freaks banned their own president from the social media not so long ago.

[suchmoon]

After which he gave me a red tag.

Two years later? Kinda stretching the "after" here.

[Sandra_hakeem]

It takes a special kind of troll to troll the moderator in their own ban appeal thread.

It appears that your ban (sadly not permanent) is justified.

but what the heck was that sentence suppose to mean?? Like, he felt some false sense of humiliation from his moderator cause he was opposed for an impartial political judgement or something?? "Our Ukrainian moderator" bla bla bla,... what does that even mean?
He ain't allowing complaints to be layed against him in Russian -- I mean, that's understandable cause I don't understand russian.
looks like I'm a bit late to the party... I gotta read through Edit:

There is not even verification and confirmation of e-mail or anything else. And therefore, creating a new account takes no more than 2 minutes.

Did you just say you realized this for the first time in 6 years??
Secondly, is the fact that you already created several alts alphabetically a way to further prove your nasty insubordination -- even to your local moderator?
Just had to look up and I seen you got a couple of red tags from your community members for obviously the same reason.
Again, was this SUPPOSED TO BE A BAN APPEAL thread?

[Free Market Capitalist]

After which he gave me a red tag.

Two years later? Kinda stretching the "after" here.

I should have read this post before reading the OP's link in Russian (previously translated). Besides, it is clear that this guy does not understand that correlation does not imply causation.

[Snork1979_]

The way I see it, trust is only supposed to be given for trades. For P2P marketplace purposes.

Yeah, I thought so too.
But it turns out that on our forum red tags are used by our "of the most respectable members on this forum" as a "weapon" against those who disagree with their political views.
This is very unpleasant.
But it is a fact.

Write a letter to theymos. I am sure he will fix this asap.

Thank you for your advice.
But I don't think it's worth distracting our theymos with such insignificant issues as the outright lawlessness of our local moderators.
I believe that this issue can be resolved by our Global Moderators.
Or am I wrong?

You might wanna leave your local board completely and express your opinions in global if Theymos doesn't do anything about it.

I thought about it.
But, unfortunately, I don't know English well and it's difficult for me to communicate in it.

Remember: the Demo*rats are all for free speech as long as it benefits them. These freaks banned their own president from the social media not so long ago.

Yes, in this regard, our forum is not much different from the rest of society. I already realized that.
And I am very pleased that this time the Republicans won a convincing victory on all fronts!
(I hope I don’t get a few more red tags for refusing to support the Democrats?)

Two years later? Kinda stretching the "after" here.

"After" does not equal "because of".
In this case, "after" simply means the order of events.

There was a question in this topic:

In this case the red tags have a political origin and in principle it might seem that they are not justified but do you think that any of the three who left him a red tag would make any kind of economic deal with the OP?

And I gave a completely correct answer to this question:
Yes, one (icopress) "of the three who left him a red tag" trusted me completely and made a deal with me.
But after that he gave me a red tag solely for political reasons (which he doesn't even hide. Just read his review of this red tag)

By the way, you still haven't answered the main question of this topic:
Do you think bans and red tags for political views are legal and fair on our forum?

[suchmoon]

And I gave a completely correct answer to this question:

The context implied correlation and I'm not the only one seeing it that way. But I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume it's a translation issue.

Do you think bans and red tags for political views are legal and fair on our forum?

No. However you were banned for trolling. Loaded questions notwithstanding, this thread serves no purpose other than to circumvent your ban and continue the behavior that got you banned in the first place.

[Snork1979_]

Do you think bans and red tags for political views are legal and fair on our forum?

No.

Thanks for your answer.

However you were banned for trolling.

If Xal0lex really banned users for trolling, then 90-95% of the participants of the Russian section "Politics" would be banned (you can look at this section yourself to see this).

But this for some reason it is not observed.
Do you have an explanation for this fact?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I'm not sure I quite understand 100% what has happened here but I want to comment on the alleged ban for trolling because I'm sure I've seen people repeatedly in this section saying that it's been a long time since there has been any action against trolling despite unofficial rule number 3. For example:

How about enforcing this rule for once?

3. No trolling.

We also have the case of proudhon who is a known troll and has not been banned that I know of.

I myself started a troll thread in response to another thread that clearly breaks the rule 2 (and I would say borders on trolling as well) and no action was taken against me or the other thread.

[Snork1979_]

I'm not sure I quite understand 100% what has happened here

In short, what happened:
1) The local moderator of the Russian section Xal0lex has banned the user Snork1979 (me) for allegedly "trolling" more than once.
2) In fact, Xal0lex banned the user Snork1979 for my political views.

Users of the Russian section (with Legendary and Hero ranks, not new alts) understand perfectly well that I was banned for my political views:

Зpя, кcтaти, Cнopкa зaбaнили. Oтличный индикaтop был...  Фopyм интepeceн paзными мнeниями. Кoгдa вce co вceми coглaшaютcя - этo нeинтepecнo.

He yмeют oни тyт пo дpyгoмy, тoлькo бaн. A пoтoм caми жe нoют, чтo нe ocтaлocь никoгo, ceтyюя нa cyдьбy злoдeйкy. Я ecли чecтнo нe пpeдcтaвляю, зa чтo мoгли cнopкa зaбaнить. Ecли peaльнo зa пoлитикy, тo этo днo кoнeчнo.

Зa пoлитикy. Пpи этoм c yкpoбoтoфepмoй в пoлитикe вce xopoшo, дaжe зaмeчaтeльнo я бы cкaзaл.

(I wonder if Xal0lex will delete these posts, as well as all the others, telling the truth about him?

3) 90+% of posts in the Russian section "Politics" are, strictly formally, trolling or off-topic.
4) Xal0lex doesn't ban any of the users who support Ukraine for trolling or off-topic. He only bans users who don't want to support Ukraine.
5) I think that banning for political beliefs is illegal and wrong on our forum.
6) Most crypto users agree with me. At least in words. (even suchmoon)

That's "all" for now.
Welcome to this interesting discussion! )

We also have the case of proudhon who is a known troll and has not been banned that I know of.

I myself started a troll thread in response to another thread that clearly breaks the rule 2 (and I would say borders on trolling as well) and no action was taken against me or the other thread.

You have raised a very important question, I think.
And what is considered "trolling"? And who defines it? And should we ban people on our forum for this?

For example, is the arrogantly condescending remark "But I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume it's a translation issue." from our suchmoon "trolling"?
And should he be banned for this? (If suchmoon had written this in the Russian section against Xal0lex, Xal0lex would have definitely banned him for a month or two )))

[Xal0lex]

You know what the saddest part is? That this person never realized why he got the ban. This person is trying to accuse me of being politically biased towards anyone who expresses an opinion in favor of Russia. But he is lying. I don't care who writes what as long as it doesn't violate forum rules. There are plenty of people in both the Russian and global sections who side with Russia, and if I were what this person is trying to make me out to be, then by simple logic, my perceived bias would affect everyone, not just this person. The answer is simple, unlike this person, no one (practically) of those he calls “everyone” is breaking the forum rules. They express their opinions and discussions according to the topics of the threads and do not engage in vicious trolling. In contrast, this person is constantly trying to turn the discussion in any topic into a Ukrainian direction (offtopic). And it doesn't matter what the topic is about. At the same time, he is constantly deliberately twisting the comments of other users participating in the discussion, takes personalities (trolling), and calls everyone who does not agree with his opinion ukrainian bots. And, as suchmoon correctly pointed out, he is even trying to troll in this thread with the appeal of his ban. He also calls me everywhere now as “ukrainian moderator” and gave me Ukrainian citizenship, because I, you see, unreasonably “banned” him

And by the way, this is not his first ban. Before that he was temporarily banned for the same reasons, first for 7 days, some time later for 30 days. So this is the third ban. But still, this person still can't understand the real reason for all his bans.

And yes, this person continues to violate the forum rules by creating a new account every day and posting in the Russian section, thus evading the ban.

P.S. I will repeat, this man is brazenly lying in an attempt to make himself look like a victim of political persecution, which, however, is not surprising. In fact, the reason for his ban is a trivial malicious violation of forum rules.

[Sandra_hakeem]

If Xal0lex really banned users for trolling, then 90-95% of the participants of the Russian section "Politics" would be banned (you can look at this section yourself to see this).
But this for some reason it is not observed.
Do you have an explanation for this fact?

Can you show us to some instances where y'all had a persistent troll like yourself (a troll that has been temporarily banned twice for the same reason) and there wasn't any verdict for them? ^{[I have never grown weary of reading, unless I'm knocked out]}

I myself started a troll thread in response to another thread that clearly breaks the rule 2 (and I would say borders on trolling as well) and no action was taken against me or the other thread.

So, what are you trying to say in essence? That 'em rules are made up but not effective anyway? The boy has a partner to defend his ass now, he's definitely gonna yell more.. bahahahah!!

[...]And what is considered "trolling"?

Google is your friend.

[Smartvirus]

As all Russian members of our forum are well aware, in the "Politics" section 90-95% of all posts are, if we consider it strictly formally, off-topic and trolling.
But at the same time, Xal0lex has been specifically banning exclusively users who support Russia for a number of times.

I don’t know what you hoped to archive from this but, having to make the underlined statement, means you actually could be doing something really wrong to have been picked given a temp ban. Your outright admittance to writing off topic and generalize it to be a thing for the politics section of your locale and acting as a troll could earn you what you’ve just got.
Perhaps the moderator didn’t act out of a line observation but, from having to handle so much reports and am just speculating here.
Anyway, you would be back before you know it so, hope you don’t make matters worst. You could be a troll and still be on topic.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

So, what are you trying to say in essence? That 'em rules are made up but not effective anyway? The boy has a partner to defend his ass now, he's definitely gonna yell more.. bahahahah!!

What I wanted to say is very simple but with your limited comprehension capacity, which is not the first time you have shown, I am not surprised that you have not understood it.

What I was saying was that it did not seem reasonable that the OP had been banned just for trolling but given Xal0lex's explanation it's not just for that. Also I trust the 3 red tags on his profile a lot more than what he can say, although I understand that this should be two separate things, one thing is the trust, which is not moderated, and another thing the ban of a moderator for certain reasons.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if, with your amoeba brain, you're not even capable of understanding this.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

4) Or does our forum correspond to the rule formulated by George Orwell "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."?

Ga ga goo goo? 

My man all the way across the world there, you'd be well-advised to keep your ban appeal thread short, to the point, and avoid swatting the bees' nest.  But since you already wrote what you wrote....good frigging luck getting unbanned. 

There haven't been nearly as many of these threads lately.  It's almost as if people realized getting unbanned is impossible most of the time and simply jumped to the alternative that was often suggested (to my great displeasure) by hilariousandco to create a new account, thereby breaking the rules yet another time.

I'd say good luck, but that would be insincere.  Bon voyage?

[Snork1979_]

Finally Xal0lex agreed to answer my complaint here and give an explanation.
Thank you!

You know what the saddest part is? That this person never realized why he got the ban.

Yes, I still don't understand, for what exactly did you ban me?
And I've been trying to figure it out for a very long time.
I don't write spam or plagiarism. I just write my opinion on the issues that concern me.
And I do it in exactly the same tone as my opponents in the "Politics" section.
I hope you will now give detailed explanations with examples and links? (and not just general words, as you did above)
So that it is understandable to everyone.

This person is trying to accuse me of being politically biased towards anyone who expresses an opinion in favor of Russia. But he is lying.

Why then do many respected members of the Russian section believe that you banned me unfairly and for my political views?

• Proof 1
• Proof 2
• Proof 3
• Proof 4
• Proof 5

They are all lying too and you are the only one telling the truth?

They express their opinions and discussions according to the topics

You're lying.
Here are just a few examples of offtopic from my opponents in the "Politics" section:

• Offtop about Ukraine in the topic about Israel from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Ukraine and Putin in the topic about Georgia from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Putin in the topic about the Arab-Israeli conflict from Warrior Dance

(what did you write there about "In contrast, this person is constantly trying to turn the discussion in any topic into a Ukrainian direction (offtopic). And it doesn't matter what the topic is about."?)

• Photos of corpses of Russian soldiers with joyful comments from xenon131
• Similar from xenon131

(I have repeatedly reported such inhumane posts by xenon131. But, apparently, Xal0lex believes that they fully comply with the rules of our forum)

As you yourself know very well, in the "Politics" section there are dozens and hundreds of such examples.
If you are such an "honest" moderator as you try to present yourself here, then why did none of my opponents get banned?

He also calls me everywhere now as “ukrainian moderator” and gave me Ukrainian citizenship, because I, you see, unreasonably “banned” him

If I made a mistake, then I apologize.
But can you honestly write here that you are NOT a citizen of Ukraine and have nothing to do with Ukraine?

And by the way, this is not his first ban. Before that he was temporarily banned for the same reasons, first for 7 days, some time later for 30 days. So this is the third ban.

Yes, when you banned me for political reasons the first time, I kept quiet.
And when you banned me for political reasons the second time, I kept quiet.
But now I will not keep quiet.

And yes, this person continues to violate the forum rules by creating a new account every day and posting in the Russian section, thus evading the ban.

Yes.
And, since you are such an "honest" moderator, then be completely honest and write here, what exactly am I doing in the Russian section under my new account?
Am I writing spam?
Or plagiarism?
Or am I somehow clogging up our forum?
Or am I simply continuing my communication with other participants, which you have once again groundlessly interrupted?

I will repeat, this man is brazenly lying in an attempt to make himself look like a victim of political persecution, which, however, is not surprising. In fact, the reason for his ban is a trivial malicious violation of forum rules.

I hope you will provide here at least some evidence of this with your explanations?
And not just general words that "everyone should just believe"?

[Sandra_hakeem]

My man all the way across the world there, you'd be well-advised to keep your ban appeal thread short, to the point, and avoid swatting the bees' nest.  But since you already wrote what you wrote....good frigging luck getting unbanned.  

HORNET for crying out loud TSC, hornet!!! The man hasn't been this agreesive Unless provoked soooo...
Is anyone else surprised to see some dramas from someone that has had the permaban as their verdict for the 3rd time now? y'all know what else would remain a necessity? Ignoring people's asses... A boy joined the discussion few hours ago and he's obviously proven himself on my last post, also, through several scenerios to be a fucking psychopath.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if, with your amoeba brain, you're not even capable of understanding this.

If you need publicity, this ain't how to go about it, my friend. ^{[Or maybe, you're just an oily, opportunistic skunk]}

[farsky]

80 years ago, people who refused to support the Nazi regime of the Third Reich were sent to concentration camps.
Now, people who refuse to support Ukraine are given negative trust and banned.
Nothing has fundamentally changed in 80 years. Isn't that right?

primitive manipulation and lies.
You did not just refuse to support Ukraine.
You clearly and deliberately support Putin and the Putin regime, you openly rejoice at the deaths of Ukrainians, you mock them, you openly propagate hatred and xenophobia towards Ukrainians, you write terrible offensive things about Ukraine and Ukrainians, you humiliate their language and their right to live an independent life, you deny their right to self-determination as a nation, you deny their right to even defend themselves.

You are a terrible person, but I believe that you sincerely believe in your rightness and your beliefs, you really believe that the Russian army has the right to come to another country and take lives, destroy, maim, rape, rob and occupy.

The name of one of your accounts (in the screenshot above) directly calls on Ukrainians to die.

I am a citizen of Russia and I support Russia.
Xal0lex is a citizen of Ukraine and he supports Ukraine.
I understand this perfectly well. And there are no claims against him for this reason.
But using moderator powers for personal purposes is a violation.

here you are trying to shift the focus of attention to a national characteristic, a standard manipulative move.
But do you think users are fools and won't understand this?
Many Russians DO NOT support Putin's regime and DO NOT support the war, many openly speak AGAINST the war, receiving administrative cases (and fines) and even criminal cases for this.
People like you, and people like those who went to kill Ukrainians - are a disgrace to the nation.

It's very easy to write about empathy when the war doesn't affect you and your country.
I hope the war never affects you.

Don't pretend to be a victim of war, you are in Russia, you are not being attacked by occupiers.
How did the war affect you, "friend"?
Your relatives or friends went to kill Ukrainians and the Ukrainians dared to defend themselves? Is this why you hate Ukrainians, because they defend their country and their families?
You are an incredible hypocrite, the war has not affected you personally, bombs, missiles and shells are NOT falling on you.

you better drop your ostentatious politeness and show English-speaking users how you really communicate, how vilely you insult the Ukrainian people and how you mock them for defending their country, dying in the process, tell us how you insult other forum participants who tried to explain something to you.

And let's remember, my friend, how often did you negatively throw mud and speak negatively about the USA and other countries that support Ukraine?
Yes, this is part of the culture of "born in the USSR": insulting the West, promoting hatred towards all Western countries, but you and your sympathizers did it especially poisonously. Until now, several of those listed below continue to sling mud at the West and blame it for all the troubles, but they do it very covertly, only occasionally calling the West (and our forum) "dark alleyway of fashionable transgenders" as Goran did in his comment.

You more openly propagate hatred and contempt for the West, using a Western forum, a Western computer and the Western Internet.

I repeat, I think you were banned not for your political views, but for promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians, for mocking dead Ukrainians, and for numerous death wishes for them, as well as for numerous insults based on nationality.

The users you cite in your defense (leonello and stoos) are your ideological supporters (although they themselves speak more cautiously), and Julien_Olynpic is simply a very polite and tolerant person, even towards Nazis (although he himself confirmed his complete disagreement with you on political topics)

It would be better if you were engaged in trading and not inciting hatred.